Curious about Kool at Missouri. What type of recruits?

[Tit-e-skr]

I wouldn't agree with that. Kul's D-lines were strong for a second rate program like Missouri. Not national championship caliber.

I disagree. The NFL disagrees as well. Kool simply can't recruit at a national championship caliber program, but he can shape can shape rough stones.

He got multiple 4 star and multiple 5 stars at Missouri of all places, end that claim...

No he didn't.

The entire time he was there he got 1 5-star (Richardson), and 2 4-Stars (DT, Maples '07, DE, Ealy '10)

What about Terry Beckner?

 

[CanesFan93]

IIRC, Kul was rarely "lead recruiter" for most of the kids at Mizzou. He's never been heavily involved in recruiting - his game is taking the kids that are there and maxing out their abilities. Bottom line is he's a greybeard technician (which I'm fine with) who needs help relating to and landing kids.

“Kuligowski's track record certainly helped reel in talent, but he wasn't the only one stocking Mizzou's cupboards with quarterbacks' worst nightmares. For example, Cornell Ford was Mizzou's lead recruiter for St. Louis products Sheldon Richardson, Markus Golden and Terry Beckner Jr. Andy Hill ran the point on the signing of Kansas Citian Shane Ray.”

Cornell Ford is the RBs coach and Andy Hill coaches QBs.

So maybe now Patke will take the role of Hill and Ford...? Kool tells him what he's looking for and or interested in and Patke recruits.

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[The Sphinx]

He's at Miami now, so there isn't much of a reason to review history.

His record at Miami is the important one.

And it's his position group that is the cluster **** right now.

The numbers are poor at both DT and DE.

He seems to be a minimalist when it comes to recruiting effort.

Not a fine attribute to have if you expect to win championships.

What type of recruits did Coach Kool get at Missouri? Sheldon Richardson is obviously a comp to Nesta and Rousseau and Aldon Smith are pretty similar in profile out of HS but am curious about the others.

I think most would agree if we could match the production of his Missouri lines we can match up against the Clemson’s of the world.

No question that DL recruiting the past 2 cycles has been underwhelming. I gather that Kul is very picky about the type of player he wants - maybe too picky. And I'm not convinced that he's built for aggressive recruiting on the national scene. Since DL don't grow on trees in S. Florida, it's not an annual layup like RB, DB and WR. So he's got to go after kids out of state which is a more concerted effort.

He's a great developer of talent but in terms of hunting talent - that's another story.

 

[The Sphinx]

IIRC, Kul was rarely "lead recruiter" for most of the kids at Mizzou. He's never been heavily involved in recruiting - his game is taking the kids that are there and maxing out their abilities. Bottom line is he's a greybeard technician (which I'm fine with) who needs help relating to and landing kids.

Yep. Makes total sense as we now see.

 

[andyctree]

I wouldn't agree with that. Kul's D-lines were strong for a second rate program like Missouri. Not national championship caliber.

I disagree. The NFL disagrees as well. Kool simply can't recruit at a national championship caliber program, but he can shape can shape rough stones.

He got multiple 4 star and multiple 5 stars at Missouri of all places, end that claim...

No he didn't.

The entire time he was there he got 1 5-star (Richardson), and 2 4-Stars (DT, Maples '07, DE, Ealy '10)

What about Terry Beckner?

Add him to the list. I thought he committed when Kool transitioned to Miami.

That still makes 4 DL players rated 4-5* over 14 years.

 

[andyctree]

Moten and Jenkins are not very good.

Nobody would even recruit Norton for DT...only OG. He is starting because that's how bad our depth is.

Willis will prove to be the best player, and I've got my fingers crossed on McIntosh. These two guys are the only Miami calibre DTs on the roster....just two players.

This is still one the worst units in the power 5 conferences once you take the orange and green glasses off.

Here is an example of what people thought about our DL when Kool arrived.

 

[Mnhurricane]

No need to debate much. We need a recruiter for the DL. Can't claim we don't get any talent at Miami the offensive side of the ball got basically whoever they wanted and just about the opposite can be said of the defense

 

[Tit-e-skr]

I disagree. The NFL disagrees as well. Kool simply can't recruit at a national championship caliber program, but he can shape can shape rough stones.

He got multiple 4 star and multiple 5 stars at Missouri of all places, end that claim...

No he didn't.

The entire time he was there he got 1 5-star (Richardson), and 2 4-Stars (DT, Maples '07, DE, Ealy '10)

What about Terry Beckner?

Add him to the list. I thought he committed when Kool transitioned to Miami.

That still makes 4 DL players rated 4-5* over 14 years.

No matter how you slice it....he obviously picked the kids to go after and then developed them after their arrival. I have no idea how much day to day communications he had with recruits,,,,probably more with the higher rated, "cant miss" prospects.

 

[sitzee]

Since 09 Missouri has had 6 Defensive Lineman selected in the first 2 rounds

09 - Ziggy Hood - 3* - 5 offers coming out of high school
11 - Aldon Smith - 3* - 5 offers coming out of high school
13 - Sheldon Richardson - 5* - 7 offers coming out of Community College
14 - Kony Ealy - 4* - 10 offers out of high school
15 - Shane Ray 3* - 8 offers
16 - Charles Harris - 2* - 1 offer

Coach Kool doesn't need 4* & 5* recruits to turn them into early draft picks. Maybe he doesn't have the patience to deal with all the Bull**** that goes into trying to recruit some of these guys? He just wants Players not guys worried about all the Hype

Take a look at The Defensive Lineman that have been selected from The U since 08

17 - Al Quadin Muhammad - 4* - selected 6th Round
15 - Anthony Chikillo - 5* - selected 6th Round
12 - Olivier Vernon - 4* - 3rd Round
11 - Allen Bailey - 4* - 3rd Round
08 - Calais Campbell - 4* - 2nd Round





No question that DL recruiting the past 2 cycles has been underwhelming. I gather that Kul is very picky about the type of player he wants - maybe too picky. And I'm not convinced that he's built for aggressive recruiting on the national scene. Since DL don't grow on trees in S. Florida, it's not an annual layup like RB, DB and WR. So he's got to go after kids out of state which is a more concerted effort.

He's a great developer of talent but in terms of hunting talent - that's another story.[/QUOTE]

 

[brock]

Kool might Have or not been the lead recruiter on guys but if you think the dline coach doesn’t have any pull on who HE wants to recruit and the prospects are just handed to them after the fact then you are crazy

 

[jkaz1]

And even the 5-star had to go to JUCO first.

I wouldn't agree with that. Kul's D-lines were strong for a second rate program like Missouri. Not national championship caliber.

I disagree. The NFL disagrees as well. Kool simply can't recruit at a national championship caliber program, but he can shape can shape rough stones.

He got multiple 4 star and multiple 5 stars at Missouri of all places, end that claim...

No he didn't.

The entire time he was there he got 1 5-star (Richardson), and 2 4-Stars (DT, Maples '07, DE, Ealy '10)

 

[DTP]

Thus why Patke is the newest coaching addition. It's obvious that recruiting isn't and hasn't been Kul's specialty. He's an instructor, a technician who turns 3* players into NFL draft picks. McIntosh, Norton, Trent Harris and Chad Thomas will all be playing in the NFL next year because of Kul. Maybe with a coach who can focus more on recruiting D linemen on staff, we won't have to rely on Kul to recruit personally.

 

[tcgrad1014]

Since 09 Missouri has had 6 Defensive Lineman selected in the first 2 rounds

09 - Ziggy Hood - 3* - 5 offers coming out of high school
11 - Aldon Smith - 3* - 5 offers coming out of high school
13 - Sheldon Richardson - 5* - 7 offers coming out of Community College
14 - Kony Ealy - 4* - 10 offers out of high school
15 - Shane Ray 3* - 8 offers
16 - Charles Harris - 2* - 1 offer

Coach Kool doesn't need 4* & 5* recruits to turn them into early draft picks. Maybe he doesn't have the patience to deal with all the Bull**** that goes into trying to recruit some of these guys? He just wants Players not guys worried about all the Hype

Take a look at The Defensive Lineman that have been selected from The U since 08

17 - Al Quadin Muhammad - 4* - selected 6th Round
15 - Anthony Chikillo - 5* - selected 6th Round
12 - Olivier Vernon - 4* - 3rd Round
11 - Allen Bailey - 4* - 3rd Round
08 - Calais Campbell - 4* - 2nd Round





No question that DL recruiting the past 2 cycles has been underwhelming. I gather that Kul is very picky about the type of player he wants - maybe too picky. And I'm not convinced that he's built for aggressive recruiting on the national scene. Since DL don't grow on trees in S. Florida, it's not an annual layup like RB, DB and WR. So he's got to go after kids out of state which is a more concerted effort.

He's a great developer of talent but in terms of hunting talent - that's another story.

[/QUOTE]

But we aren't Missouri. We shouldn't be bringing in so many projects. It is obviously a lot easier to turn a 4* or 5* into an early draft pick than a 2* or 3*. That's not to say that every 5* will excel or that every 2* will bust, but you need to go with the odds.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I think cornell ford recruited most of those DL guys at mizzo

 

[westcoastcanes]

Moten and Jenkins are not very good.

Nobody would even recruit Norton for DT...only OG. He is starting because that's how bad our depth is.

Willis will prove to be the best player, and I've got my fingers crossed on McIntosh. These two guys are the only Miami calibre DTs on the roster....just two players.

This is still one the worst units in the power 5 conferences once you take the orange and green glasses off.

Here is an example of what people thought about our DL when Kool arrived.

You inadvertantly voided whichever claim you were making based on who you quoted. Congrats.

 

[orange&green84]

IIRC, Kul was rarely "lead recruiter" for most of the kids at Mizzou. He's never been heavily involved in recruiting - his game is taking the kids that are there and maxing out their abilities. Bottom line is he's a greybeard technician (which I'm fine with) who needs help relating to and landing kids.

This. I think this was a misevaluation from others within the staff - primary Richt and Diaz. Going forward, Kool should identify whom he needs a year and a half to 2 years out and send out offers. The staff should then compensate for his shortcomings on the recruiting side. I really hope that Patke ends up being a Hartley on the recruiting side for the defense. Because that should be his primary role - defensive ace recruiter considering Diaz is the LB coach.

 

[ghost2]

IIRC, Kul was rarely "lead recruiter" for most of the kids at Mizzou. He's never been heavily involved in recruiting - his game is taking the kids that are there and maxing out their abilities. Bottom line is he's a greybeard technician (which I'm fine with) who needs help relating to and landing kids.

“Kuligowski's track record certainly helped reel in talent, but he wasn't the only one stocking Mizzou's cupboards with quarterbacks' worst nightmares. For example, Cornell Ford was Mizzou's lead recruiter for St. Louis products Sheldon Richardson, Markus Golden and Terry Beckner Jr. Andy Hill ran the point on the signing of Kansas Citian Shane Ray.”

Kul probably evaluated them and the other guys had the "day to day" contact with those players.

I doubt any DL was offered without his consent.

That's probably accurate. Kul was no doubt involved with evaluating and then the "recruiters" on staff help reel them in.

 

[Tit-e-skr]

I think cornell ford recruited most of those DL guys at mizzo

He may have had the "building a relationship" aspect of it, but you can bet Kul had the selection part of it. But that's how recruiting works most of the time...the coaching staff has a part of the country they are responsible for.

 

[CANE1775]

Moten and Jenkins are not very good.

Nobody would even recruit Norton for DT...only OG. He is starting because that's how bad our depth is.

Willis will prove to be the best player, and I've got my fingers crossed on McIntosh. These two guys are the only Miami calibre DTs on the roster....just two players.

This is still one the worst units in the power 5 conferences once you take the orange and green glasses off.

Here is an example of what people thought about our DL when Kool arrived.

You inadvertantly voided whichever claim you were making based on who you quoted. Congrats.

LOL!!! I was thinking the same thing!

 

[UMFarArcher]

I wouldn't agree with that. Kul's D-lines were strong for a second rate program like Missouri. Not national championship caliber.

I disagree. The NFL disagrees as well. Kool simply can't recruit at a national championship caliber program, but he can shape can shape rough stones.

He got multiple 4 star and multiple 5 stars at Missouri of all places, end that claim...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. What out of state 4 star did Kool pull at Mizz?

Watch what he gets on the dline in 2019, it will be a stacked class period

I sure hope so.

That Dline is where EVERYTHING starts.