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Culture Change at Miami

calinative umstudent said:
The culture one is easy. Answer this: If you had the ability to pull whoever you view as your favorite/best X's and O's coach in the world, and place them in the program at any time from like 2005-today, which year are you putting them in with the goal of winning 2+ national championships in a 5 year window? Like what 05, 09, 13, 17, and Today are the only real options, right? But that would be for short term success. If we were talking putting them in the best foundation for short and medium term peak success, I think it's kinda obvious this is the best situation.

So yeah every coach instills their own culture. But That doesn't mean it is an objectively good one - or one that is more likely to lead to championships. There is a clear and obvious culture, talent, and investment upgrade TODAY vs what we had with Diaz, Golden, and Shannon. Richt I'd argue started us on a solid path to improving those aspects. But ultimately he wasn't able to put it all together, and I'm sure the health issues played a part in that. If he had passed the baton off directly to Mario (Or a number of coaches who can be program builders), he would have started with a much better foundation. It didn't play out that way though. But if you can't say basically every single thing about the football program today is better than at anytime since Coker first took over, you're pretty much just moping or blind. How many wins that translates to this year and the future, we will just have to see, that's on Mario.

Also, ***** about 8 wins during the season after we've lost a few games. Not now before even one game has happened AND everyone is expecting a 10, 11, or 12 win season with a potential CFP appearance. Nobody in the ******* world thinks 8 wins is good enough, so what the **** is the point in constantly talking about it? Trust me you will have all the time in the world to be negative and talk about that during the season IF that is how things turn out. It's especially ludicrous, because there would likely be a whole **** load of important context behind the 8 wins. There is just no point in talking about that scenario today. LIike what use is it discussing what happens if 10 of our starters get injured for a 4 game stretch?
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Amazing in retrospect how ****ed we got by the mismanagement of Richt retiring and not taking money he was legally owed. Threw that opportunity to do as you said, hire Mario or another program builder, and just lit it on fire and set ourselves back another 5-6 years easy. He built the best foundation we've had in 15 years at that point, and instead Mario had to basically start from scratch after Manny squandered it.
 
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305_separatist said:
Amazing in retrospect how ****ed we got by the mismanagement of Richt retiring and not taking money he was legally owed. Threw that opportunity to do as you said, hire Mario or another program builder, and just lit it on fire and set ourselves back another 5-6 years easy. He built the best foundation we've had in 15 years at that point, and instead Mario had to basically start from scratch after Manny squandered it.
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Good Lord, we’re in year three of Mario and we’re still talking about what Manny left behind
 
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SinisterCane said:
Good Lord, we’re in year three of Mario and we’re still talking about what Manny left behind
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i cant with that. manny is gone. mario has had three classes. hes upgraded the talent. he kicked off a lot of holdovers. last years was mostly all mario guys and this year is essnetially all mario guys. this roster is the best in the conference on paper. zero excuses to not win big this year. if he cant, hes just a homegrown failure like randy was as a HC. you dont need 10 years to figure out if a coach can win. you really only need 2-3 esp in todays transfer era where you can overnight change your roster and dont rely on HS recruiting as much as you used to. more resources, more talent (hes really responsible for this along with our money guys bc lets be honest, we pay better than most in todays era) than anyone else who has been a coach here ever. win 10+ or get the **** out. no more excuses.
 
sstcane said:
I know this has been discussed for years, but I think that the situation was worse than we know. From what I heard there were years where a lot of the players were more interested in partying, ladies, smoking etc.

I really feel the difference in year 3 of Cristobal. Seems like the players they are bringing in are guys that love Football and love the grind. We need players who care about football, the team and winning more than anything else.

From what I've observed and heard from insiders, the players are all in on football. Coming in early and leaving late, organizing team work on their own, watching film etc.

The first 2 years have been disappointing, but I think that this is the year where he has "his guys" leading the team. I believe we will see the difference week 1 in the swamp.
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He’s bringing in talented players that won’t be handed anything. They are competitive and way more talented than what we had in the past. They work hard pause
 
Rellyrell said:
3 hires I loathed, & I know I didn’t join CIS until late 2013, but I was on other platforms that discussed CFB:

1. Shannon
2. Golden (I specifically said “Who” out loud while in my office)
3. Diaz

I vehemently disapproved of all 3 hires. I was “OK” w/ the Mario hire, although I had my concerns just b/c being out West; & b/c I’m heavily involved in football, I have various connections to UO’s program. I watched them a lot just b/c, again, I’m out West. I figured w/ Mario’s recruiting abilities, he’ll be able to overcome some coaching deficiencies.

I wasn’t gravely concerned about yr 1. Concerned? Yes, but not gravely concerned. I even battled w/ many posters explaining the how’s & y’s we had a 5-7 start. My concerns came yr 2, as I was certain, based upon empirical data of coaches we consider good-elite, that a coach of Mario’s reputation developed at UO would take a roster thats better than the rest of the ACC sans FSU & Clemson to at least 9 wins.

After discussing the GT game w/ a former UO alum + NFL vet, that’s when I was turned on to the fallacies of Mario’s coaching while there, & was admonished to examine the PAC-12, as a whole, during Mario’s tenure. When I discovered how watered down the league was from 2019-2021, and re-watched **** near every loss UO had to inferior teams on paper, ? marks raised. So it’s something I took notice of, & as the 2023-4 season unfolded, some things just reared itself.

Now, here’s y I’m hopeful this season: When Mario inherited Justin Herbert, he went 21-6 including 2-0 in bowl games. Mario hasn’t had a NFL level QB since Herbert. W/o Herbert, He’s 26-20 at the P5/4 level, which is no bueno, BUT now he has a NFL caliber QB, & arguably the best QB in the ACC.

W/e deficiencies that may exist can be glossed over by Ward. Ward + Martinez r the sole reasons y the vast majority of media outlets r bullish on us. It’s y I’m like this is a 10+ win roster. All I can go by is data & history. I agree we have some holes on the roster, particularly in the 2ndary, but there’s not enough holes to deter us from 10+ wins, imho, or should I say “it should not deter us.”
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All 3 horrible hires.

Hiring Al Golden might’ve been the worst. Especially since Jon Gruden was expressing MAJOR interest in becoming HC here around that time…
 
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Brooklyndee said:
That's the problem is y'all think one has to do directly with the other. This is a fact what he brought up. The culture here has been ****ed since year 3 of Larry Coker. Only person who prioritized football players and leaders, not just athletes was cmr. He wasn't here for long enough to change the narrative & he wasn't hands on enough (in all likelihood due to what @The Franchise,myself and numerous others discussed that it was clear there was early signs of dimentia years before it was announced)with the defensive side of the ball to insist it was his vision we were putting on the field. We haven't had a clear vision for the program who could purge the nonsense since Butch. That's a fact that doesn't have anything to do with results on the field.
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If it's Schiano who took over in 2001, how do you think that plays out for Miami

Personally, I think (based on the job he did at Rutgers), he would've been better than Coker. But I know he wasn't easy to play for, at times. But the player who told me that he kinda hated him -- also admitted that he was a very good coach
 
k9cane said:
If it's Schiano who took over in 2001, how do you think that plays out for Miami

Personally, I think (based on the job he did at Rutgers), he would've been better than Coker. But I know he wasn't easy to play for, at times. But the player who told me that he kinda hated him -- also admitted that he was a very good coach
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**** good question. Long term we would've been better off obviously. BUT I'm not sure we would've got #5 either. He might've watered down the offense drastically & our defense obviously was never a problem anyhow. He's also a **** recruiter(no better or worse than Coker was) but atleast Coker stayed out of the way. Alot of people forget a large portion of recruiting is all about personality fits in the demographic you target. Schiano never understood how to relate with us. We just were hyper focused on our goals.
 
Canesfan_134 said:
All 3 horrible hires.

Hiring Al Golden might’ve been the worst. Especially since Jon Gruden was expressing MAJOR interest in becoming HC here around that time…
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Alfraud Golden was considered one of the best up and comers in coaching at the time. Was coming off national awards. I'm hindsight we see it as a **** hire. But if ***** *** no donation would've went to Rutgers like was expected, he may still be here. His problem was he was tied to no d more than he was to his team. Anyways. **** that dude
 
hoops156 said:
i cant with that. manny is gone. mario has had three classes. hes upgraded the talent. he kicked off a lot of holdovers. last years was mostly all mario guys and this year is essnetially all mario guys. this roster is the best in the conference on paper. zero excuses to not win big this year. if he cant, hes just a homegrown failure like randy was as a HC. you dont need 10 years to figure out if a coach can win. you really only need 2-3 esp in todays transfer era where you can overnight change your roster and dont rely on HS recruiting as much as you used to. more resources, more talent (hes really responsible for this along with our money guys bc lets be honest, we pay better than most in todays era) than anyone else who has been a coach here ever. win 10+ or get the **** out. no more excuses.
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I wish Mario would give up game day decision making. The guy is just dumb as a box of rocks. He can recruit no doubt but his time clock management is a new disaster waiting to happen over and over again. He is to stubborn to get out of the way. I hope in ‘25 he proves me wrong but until I see competent and complete Ws I’m doubtful.
 
Maskoff407 said:
Real talk, Miami had a night game one time, and I went to a day party in Winwood and saw Gilbert Frierson. Couldn’t believe that ****. Then immediately after that game I saw John Campbell and Cleveland Reed at Booby Trap with some other players
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The FIU loss was enough to show how little the kids respected Manny and what he wanted to do culturally. Didn’t they all go out the night before against curfew?
 
ChinstrapCane said:
You would have to think that in year three with as much roster turnover as UM has had that this is the culture Mario wants to achieve. He is known as a hard worker and values the old school work ethic and focus that led UM to greatness back in the day. This should be a fun season.
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40 players of the 85 man roster are new this year alone.
 
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