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Culture Change at Miami

If Mario can't win 10 games with this team, he never will. Last year the team made big strides, but because GT and TVD, it was not a 10 win team. It should have been. Stay relatively healthy, this team should go 12-0 and win the ACC with good coaching. It has the talent to win a playoff game which after a bye would put us in the final 4. We have to have good coaching for that. I have this roster's talent between 7-10 nationally right now. We will have a drop off in talent and experience next year. They are betting everything on this season as they should. Just win the 31st and this thing will take off. How can you go 8-4 with this roster and schedule?
 
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Cane30 said:
If Mario can't win 10 games with this team, he never will. Last year the team made big strides, but because GT and TVD, it was not a 10 win team. It should have been. Stay relatively healthy, this team should go 12-0 and win the ACC with good coaching. It has the talent to win a playoff game which after a bye would put us in the final 4. We have to have good coaching for that. I have this roster's talent between 7-10 nationally right now. We will have a drop off in talent and experience next year. They are betting everything on this season as they should. Just win the 31st and this thing will take off. How can you go 8-4 with this roster and schedule?
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I wanna agree with you so badly, I just CAN'T. LESSEE what we look like on opener first, the get through usf, then first two acc games before I start believin
 
The culture one is easy. Answer this: If you had the ability to pull whoever you view as your favorite/best X's and O's coach in the world, and place them in the program at any time from like 2005-today, which year are you putting them in with the goal of winning 2+ national championships in a 5 year window? Like what 05, 09, 13, 17, and Today are the only real options, right? But that would be for short term success. If we were talking putting them in the best foundation for short and medium term peak success, I think it's kinda obvious this is the best situation.

So yeah every coach instills their own culture. But That doesn't mean it is an objectively good one - or one that is more likely to lead to championships. There is a clear and obvious culture, talent, and investment upgrade TODAY vs what we had with Diaz, Golden, and Shannon. Richt I'd argue started us on a solid path to improving those aspects. But ultimately he wasn't able to put it all together, and I'm sure the health issues played a part in that. If he had passed the baton off directly to Mario (Or a number of coaches who can be program builders), he would have started with a much better foundation. It didn't play out that way though. But if you can't say basically every single thing about the football program today is better than at anytime since Coker first took over, you're pretty much just moping or blind. How many wins that translates to this year and the future, we will just have to see, that's on Mario.

Also, ***** about 8 wins during the season after we've lost a few games. Not now before even one game has happened AND everyone is expecting a 10, 11, or 12 win season with a potential CFP appearance. Nobody in the ******* world thinks 8 wins is good enough, so what the **** is the point in constantly talking about it? Trust me you will have all the time in the world to be negative and talk about that during the season IF that is how things turn out. It's especially ludicrous, because there would likely be a whole **** load of important context behind the 8 wins. There is just no point in talking about that scenario today. LIike what use is it discussing what happens if 10 of our starters get injured for a 4 game stretch?
 
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Rellyrell said:
How many of us are old enough to recall the culture problem under Coker, as Shannon “changed” the culture starting by removing the names of the back of the jersey to promote unity vs. individuality?

How many of us are old enough to recall the culture problem under Shannon, as Golden “changed” the culture by promoting We-Fense, & community activities?

How many of us are old enough to recall the culture problem under Golden, as Richt “changed” the culture by having student athletes answer yes sir, reply no sir, inserting mat drills, & more community service?

How many of us are old enough to recall the culture problem under Richt, as Manny “changed” the culture by establishing TNM which was supposed to be TOM (The Old Miami). Remember how certain posters were applauding & praising his antics, including crashing FSU’s Nike coaching clinic?

It seems like every new coach inherits a culture problem here, then become apart of the culture problem. I rather wait & see although my gut tells me this should finally put an end to our misery this yr.
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Thank You! I am old enough to remember ALL those “culture changes” and have learned to wait and watch for the results at this point.

On that note, and I may be a victim of PTSD from the last 20 years, but I am not 100% sold on our S&C just yet. Are we improved? Absolutely. Guys are bigger, stronger, faster and explosive. Are we elite in that area compared to your Georgias and Bamas? I don’t see it just yet. ****…I’ve been watching Oregon this off season and this sounds like a conspiracy but nowadays the elite of the elite have a “supplement” program that involves more than protein and carbs after workouts if you catch my drift. We used to have this type of “nutrition” late 90s - early 2000s during the Moffett years but it stopped when he went to LSU. We have a great program- LEGALLY…but the elites are doing “extra curricular activities” all the time. When there is this much money involved..things at the top get shady…they’ve always have. Due to our history and unfair scrutinization…..I doubt Miami ever ventures into this territory again but yeah…it’s def happening.

This is my own personal perception..I do this for a living and have the credentials from the NSCA and the CSCCA..and a masters in kinesiology. All that only gets you so far no matter how elite the genetics of the players you recruit are…at some point…at the top of the top..more is done to create that competitive edge.

Sorry for the rambling and the rant.
 
GhostRecon_Cane said:
Thank You! I am old enough to remember ALL those “culture changes” and have learned to wait and watch for the results at this point.

On that note, and I may be a victim of PTSD from the last 20 years, but I am not 100% sold on our S&C just yet. Are we improved? Absolutely. Guys are bigger, stronger, faster and explosive. Are we elite in that area compared to your Georgias and Bamas? I don’t see it just yet. ****…I’ve been watching Oregon this off season and this sounds like a conspiracy but nowadays the elite of the elite have a “supplement” program that involves more than protein and carbs after workouts if you catch my drift. We used to have this type of “nutrition” late 90s - early 2000s during the Moffett years but it stopped when he went to LSU. We have a great program- LEGALLY…but the elites are doing “extra curricular activities” all the time. When there is this much money involved..things at the top get shady…they’ve always have. Due to our history and unfair scrutinization…..I doubt Miami ever ventures into this territory again but yeah…it’s def happening.

This is my own personal perception..I do this for a living and have the credentials from the NSCA and the CSCCA..and a masters in kinesiology. All that only gets you so far no matter how elite the genetics of the players you recruit are…at some point…at the top of the top..more is done to create that competitive edge.

Sorry for the rambling and the rant.
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Nebraska was notorious for it during their run in the mid-late 90s. It wasn’t just creatine and protein supplements those boys was taking.
 
I'm not sure that our fans really knew how bad our culture was the last few years. I had/have kids on the team and I can tell you that it was a full-on sh*t show.

Some of our most well-known players showing up to film late, smelling like weed, etc. Players talking back to coaches.
 
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….DONT GET ME STARTED….🤬
 
Rellyrell said:
3 hires I loathed, & I know I didn’t join CIS until late 2013, but I was on other platforms that discussed CFB:

1. Shannon
2. Golden (I specifically said “Who” out loud while in my office)
3. Diaz

I vehemently disapproved of all 3 hires. I was “OK” w/ the Mario hire, although I had my concerns just b/c being out West; & b/c I’m heavily involved in football, I have various connections to UO’s program. I watched them a lot just b/c, again, I’m out West. I figured w/ Mario’s recruiting abilities, he’ll be able to overcome some coaching deficiencies.

I wasn’t gravely concerned about yr 1. Concerned? Yes, but not gravely concerned. I even battled w/ many posters explaining the how’s & y’s we had a 5-7 start. My concerns came yr 2, as I was certain, based upon empirical data of coaches we consider good-elite, that a coach of Mario’s reputation developed at UO would take a roster thats better than the rest of the ACC sans FSU & Clemson to at least 9 wins.

After discussing the GT game w/ a former UO alum + NFL vet, that’s when I was turned on to the fallacies of Mario’s coaching while there, & was admonished to examine the PAC-12, as a whole, during Mario’s tenure. When I discovered how watered down the league was from 2019-2021, and re-watched **** near every loss UO had to inferior teams on paper, ? marks raised. So it’s something I took notice of, & as the 2023-4 season unfolded, some things just reared itself.

Now, here’s y I’m hopeful this season: When Mario inherited Justin Herbert, he went 21-6 including 2-0 in bowl games. Mario hasn’t had a NFL level QB since Herbert. W/o Herbert, He’s 26-20 at the P5/4 level, which is no bueno, BUT now he has a NFL caliber QB, & arguably the best QB in the ACC.

W/e deficiencies that may exist can be glossed over by Ward. Ward + Martinez r the sole reasons y the vast majority of media outlets r bullish on us. It’s y I’m like this is a 10+ win roster. All I can go by is data & history. I agree we have some holes on the roster, particularly in the 2ndary, but there’s not enough holes to deter us from 10+ wins, imho, or should I say “it should not deter us.”
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The one thing I can see from Mario is a switch in tone when it comes to how he wants his offense to look like.

He wants us to be more explosive in the run and the pass, cites that you need to throw the ball to win... I noted that and was like "He never said these things prior".

I always said Mario's biggest negative quality is his stubbornness to his views on offensive football. I'm starting to get the sense that we may see a change here.
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
Manny always does well with his D at first because
1. people haven't seen the gimmick yet
2. he is playing with someone else's recruits, once he gets his own guys, well, you know.
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This. Manny’s defense is a proven commodity. He’s always good for the first few years. And then when his recruits start to take over, they fall off a cliff. He can’t recruit and eventually it bites him in the ***.
 
Coach Macho said:
I'm not sure that our fans really knew how bad our culture was the last few years. I had/have kids on the team and I can tell you that it was a full-on sh*t show.

Some of our most well-known players showing up to film late, smelling like weed, etc. Players talking back to coaches.
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This is crazy. Has there been a shift in your opinion?
 
That's some of the stuff I was talking about in my original post. Seems like the new players are grinders that do extra work, film etc. There were too many guys around not doing everything to make themselves and the team better,
 
Brooklyndee said:
I'm done with the going back and forth on all this stuff. The season is here and I don't care about opinions for people who wanna be miserable.
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Don't sweat it. Guys like cway are all about the misery. They aren't going to know what to do with themselves soon.

And, yeah, they'll claim to be "happy" for the football team, while transferring their misery to, say, the baseball team. Or volleyball. Or whatever other sport is not at a national championship level.

It's never-ending.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Don't sweat it. Guys like cway are all about the misery. They aren't going to know what to do with themselves soon.

And, yeah, they'll claim to be "happy" for the football team, while transferring their misery to, say, the baseball team. Or volleyball. Or whatever other sport is not at a national championship level.

It's never-ending.
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Lol.
 
Coach Macho said:
I'm not sure that our fans really knew how bad our culture was the last few years. I had/have kids on the team and I can tell you that it was a full-on sh*t show.

Some of our most well-known players showing up to film late, smelling like weed, etc. Players talking back to coaches.
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Tip of the iceberg as you know brother. Flat out dysfunctional.
 
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Results are the best culture change. Talent matters as well.

The ceiling is much higher right now, but the only way to change the perception is by winning. When we were on top in the 80's and early 90's, I would argue that the culture wasn't great.
 
Every time there’s a coaching change there’s a “culture” change. The new coach comes in and makes some changes and we all hear about how bad the culture under the last staff was (always after the fact). Then the team continues to go 7-6 every year and wash, rinse, repeat. Just win. The more you win, the less culture will be an issue.

Bad culture sprouts from losing. Some coach comes in and sells the players on his process. Most players will buy in for a year or two. If there isn’t any noticeable on field progress, players give up. It’s no different than working for a ****** boss. If my salary isn’t going to be directly affected by my extra work, I’m definitely not going to do any extra work. There’s only so many walls people will run through without getting results.
 
Coach Macho said:
I'm not sure that our fans really knew how bad our culture was the last few years. I had/have kids on the team and I can tell you that it was a full-on sh*t show.

Some of our most well-known players showing up to film late, smelling like weed, etc. Players talking back to coaches.
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Coaches set the culture standard, when it set right they get the credit when it fails. It’s their failure.
 
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