Cronkrite Vs Walton

[Rellyrell]

This will be a Gio Bernard type situation where we could've had this kid and he goes somewhere to become an absolute star. Horrific job by the staff

So who would you get rid of out of Williams, Scarlett, and Walton for Conkrite?

why are we still talking about Cronk?? Didn't he decommit from us?

 

[Canesbball]

This will be a Gio Bernard type situation where we could've had this kid and he goes somewhere to become an absolute star. Horrific job by the staff

So who would you get rid of out of Williams, Scarlett, and Walton for Conkrite?

Honestly none. I wouldn't have pushed for Walton to reclassify instead to take another year and get ready for the college game and kept in contact with JC instead of slow playing him. That leaves you with a Yearby/Gus/Scarlett/Dexter/Cronk backfield next year and the ability to use all of them or RS one if need be. Then take Walton as the only back in 16.

Ice completely mismanaged this.

 

[DirtyShirt]

Lil McIntosh a 16 or 17 kid ?

 

[User-4525]

Lil McIntosh a 16 or 17 kid ?

16

 

[DirtyShirt]

Thanks Kyle

We gonna land him?

 

[am1640]

This will be a Gio Bernard type situation where we could've had this kid and he goes somewhere to become an absolute star. Horrific job by the staff

So who would you get rid of out of Williams, Scarlett, and Walton for Conkrite?

Honestly none. I wouldn't have pushed for Walton to reclassify instead to take another year and get ready for the college game and kept in contact with JC instead of slow playing him. That leaves you with a Yearby/Gus/Scarlett/Dexter/Cronk backfield next year and the ability to use all of them or RS one if need be. Then take Walton as the only back in 16.

Ice completely mismanaged this.

smdh no "coach" pushed for Walton to reclassify, that was a decision by him and his family. I applaud him for wanting to put in the work to graduate on time and correct an earlier mistake which is something a lot of kids down here don't want to do. BTW coaches are helping him make that dream a reality as best they can but kid was going to try and do it no matter what. That's why he almost transferred to Central because they already had a plan in place and a history of helping kids take multiple classes in order to graduate early. I'd much rather have the kid that's working hard to be in a crowded back field then one whose worried about who else is in the class with him.

No offense to the kid and good luck on his future endeavors, but I been soured on him months ago when we had this back and forth with Token about the RB situation before and after Scarlett committed.

Before JS committed

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Since I'm close with This situation I will clarify something's since the writer only quoted 2 lines of the interview from Cronkrite. As he said it's not about competition but if the staff said one thing to him and now they are doing something else who knows if this will be the last time they change their mind on something which would affect him in one way or another. He was raised to honor his word and he expects the people he deals with to do the same and right now they aren't.

Him being realistic has to do with 3 coming in how do they determine who gets first crack behind Yearby because I can tell you the staff is not even counting much from Gus and Tucker may be gone. Now some people may disagree with what I have been told but out of the 3 Walton gets first crack because of him being a pipeline kid. The staff has denied this to Cronkrite which was brought up by his family and head coach but he is starting to wonder how much he can believe what they say.

Spoiler

Cronkrite's not decommitting. What I can tell you is that UM has said since day one they are only taking 2 RBs and if/when Walton becomes official it will be on the staff to figure out who they let walk. I know what the staff has said about Cronkrite and how they feel about him but words and actions are 2 different things.

Can they turn down the shot at taking 3 top RB prospects?

If they were to take 3 Cronkrite would not be one of them.

if that's the case then

no way they should have to tell a kid who was committed long before Cronk even got an offer he has to go, because kid busted his *** to reclassify. If Walton reclassifies that is an unexpected surprise and the two backs that are committed now either deal or move on. It's not up to the staff to have to pick and choose. Honestly it's not like it makes a difference anyway, unless they think the staff was going to play seniority ball they would have to beat out Walton the next year for PT regardless.

What I can tell you is they will not let Walton walk because he is a pipeline kid so that could never be expected. The Walton thing isn't fully official yet as well so it's hard for the staff to make decisions as of yet.

After JS committed

Spoiler

He's not waiting to jump ship for a sure thing cause there are plenty of schools circling like sharks when blood is in the water as of this morning. Walton is not an issue because the chances of him are not good and that is from the staff. As we all know college staffs say one thing but do another and he is just seeing how this staff handles the situation but he is not demanding anything just being cautious.

Well in your opinion how are they supposed to handle this situation? To not accept Scarlett's commitment? The opportunity will still be at Miami. You said the staff said one but are doing another? I assume you mean they said they're taking two RBs? Well how did they know Walton was going to try to reclassify? Maybe they don't think he would've been able to do it(which he still hasn't). As of right now, I'm counting 2 RBs committed in Cronk and Scarlett. Williams to me is more of a flex/hybrid player. He'll be used as a RB, TB, KR, PR, WR, slot, etc. Plus I imagine there will be tons of 2 RB sets in the playbook. Looks like we're phasing out the traditional FB role and going with more 2 TE and 2 RB sets. I see nothing but opportunity for Cronk. He's a **** of a player and no doubt I want him apart of this class. The only reason he would consider decommiting, is if Walton does OFFICIALLY reclassify. Then I don't blame Cronk for pursuing other options as that would be 3 traditional RBs committed.

Walton is not a factor and that's from the staff. Is it a possibility? Yes but not highly probable. Williams contact with the staff is becoming less frequent and he is still considered a RB by the staff but just like everything else there is a chance he sticks it out but that's as likely as Walton reclassifying.

Okay but say Williams sticks but we find out Walton can't reclassify. Does Cronkite stick with us on NSD?
Now Walton declassifies and Williams flips, does he stay then?
Personally I think he should stay with us until at least the season is over just to see what happens, because I believe he really wants to be here. Also if he finds out Walton can't reclassify I think he should stick. I do think if Walton does reclassify he will leave though. Basically I think Walton reclassifying will ultimately decide if he stays or not. Is that about right?

That is about right. You are right he really wants to be here

Also funny looking back at these posts and everything we thought would happen is happening and now people want to act surprised or blame the coaches smh.

Spoiler

Walton isn't going to have his scholly pulled and neither is Williams, so Cronk is the odd man out then and Miami will be "liars".

 

[User-4525]

Thanks Kyle

We gonna land him?

We are looking like the front runner lots of time till 2016 though

 

[Hurricane23]

Remember, Cronk would have to still compete with not only Dex, JScar, and Marky Mark, he also has to get through Joystick and Chocolate. That said, I really like Walton a lot. I think Dex is more of an athlete, Percy Harvin kind of player. Walton and Scarlett will be a problem here soon. Building a backfield comparable to the old days.

Old days? We never had talent like that, save the year we had Portis, McGahee, Davenport together. We didn't have Gore that year, as I recall. That was a perfect storm. Our top teams in the '80s were never like that. We might have Bratton, Highsmith, Warren Williams together. Throw Before that maybe Al Bentley, Highsmith, Keith Griffin and Williams. They were good, but not all were truly elite. I can't think of a year we might have Yearby, Chocolate (who might turn out to be elite, I don't know), Edwards (might be better than people think, but not the kind of big back you expect), Yearby, then the three coming in 2015 (who are all elite, it seems.)

People tend to rewrite history and think our talent was a lot better than it was. Maybe it was exceptional in 2001, but other years we had solid and good talent, with a sprinking of elite talent. We had better coaching, more speed, and extraordinary work ethic by the players. Now, the coaching is not necessarily worse, the opposition's coaching (as well as speed) has caught up. No longer do we have better concepts on offense and defense, we're facing very well-schooled and clever coaches on the other side, true innovators at the college level. That didn't exist, at least not to this degree, before. Other teams seem to be just about as fast.

It's not necessarily all Al, guys. Get over it. I can see the changes. I could see how our pro passing attack could not be stopped by other teams. How our defensive speed and attacking scheme used to give people fits. We don't have speed or scheme advantages against most teams any more.

^^^^^^This guy knows what he's talking about

 

[DiegoCane]

This will be a Gio Bernard type situation where we could've had this kid and he goes somewhere to become an absolute star. Horrific job by the staff

So who would you get rid of out of Williams, Scarlett, and Walton for Conkrite?

Honestly none. I wouldn't have pushed for Walton to reclassify instead to take another year and get ready for the college game and kept in contact with JC instead of slow playing him. That leaves you with a Yearby/Gus/Scarlett/Dexter/Cronk backfield next year and the ability to use all of them or RS one if need be. Then take Walton as the only back in 16.

Ice completely mismanaged this.

I'm no fan of Golden but this is hilarious.

The kid has been trying to reclassify for a long time now. Do you want us to tell him no? We werent the ones who suggested it.

 

[Canesontherise]

Remember, Cronk would have to still compete with not only Dex, JScar, and Marky Mark, he also has to get through Joystick and Chocolate. That said, I really like Walton a lot. I think Dex is more of an athlete, Percy Harvin kind of player. Walton and Scarlett will be a problem here soon. Building a backfield comparable to the old days.

Old days? We never had talent like that, save the year we had Portis, McGahee, Davenport together. We didn't have Gore that year, as I recall. That was a perfect storm. Our top teams in the '80s were never like that. We might have Bratton, Highsmith, Warren Williams together. Throw Before that maybe Al Bentley, Highsmith, Keith Griffin and Williams. They were good, but not all were truly elite. I can't think of a year we might have Yearby, Chocolate (who might turn out to be elite, I don't know), Edwards (might be better than people think, but not the kind of big back you expect), Yearby, then the three coming in 2015 (who are all elite, it seems.)

People tend to rewrite history and think our talent was a lot better than it was. Maybe it was exceptional in 2001, but other years we had solid and good talent, with a sprinking of elite talent. We had better coaching, more speed, and extraordinary work ethic by the players. Now, the coaching is not necessarily worse, the opposition's coaching (as well as speed) has caught up. No longer do we have better concepts on offense and defense, we're facing very well-schooled and clever coaches on the other side, true innovators at the college level. That didn't exist, at least not to this degree, before. Other teams seem to be just about as fast.

It's not necessarily all Al, guys. Get over it. I can see the changes. I could see how our pro passing attack could not be stopped by other teams. How our defensive speed and attacking scheme used to give people fits. We don't have speed or scheme advantages against most teams any more.

I agree,smart post. Would have been perfect post but you did not mention "Speedy Neal"

 

[maurice3p]

Mark Walton staying in 2016 doesn't benefit anybody. Why wait a year and keep a RB that the kid in 2016 is gonna beat out in camp anyway? It would be a waste. Free up a scholarship to add a LB, QB, or whatever position they REALLY need.

Also, adding an extra year can give other schools more time to recruit him. Another year to fight to keep an elite commit?

Third, Walton should finish with his RIGHT class, it will save his body so he can get to the NFL faster without risking injury in HS playing for free.

 

[timujian]

I like Cronrite much more than Walton.

 

[Canemang]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

 

[HurricaneU]

The reclassification was all Mark Walton and his family. As I understand it, by age, he should be Class of 2015 anyway.

You can't offer a kid as a sophomore from one of your primary, hometown feeder programs that employs an alum as head coach, with multiple former players currently on your roster, whose former head coach is now your RB coach and not take his commitment.

 

[Token cane]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

He didn't run from competition, staff moved on from him. I'm quiet because I tell what is going on and I'm told I'm lying

 

[HurricaneU]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

He didn't run from competition, staff moved on from him. I'm quiet because I tell what is going on and I'm told I'm lying

I don't think you're lying Token. I don't doubt you believe what you're saying. I just think Walton's recruitment/reclassification has more of an impact than stories about staff slow playing him.

 

[Canesbball]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

Lmao @ you being this much of an idiot.

Mark Walton staying in 2016 doesn't benefit anybody. Why wait a year and keep a RB that the kid in 2016 is gonna beat out in camp anyway? It would be a waste. Free up a scholarship to add a LB, QB, or whatever position they REALLY need.

Also, adding an extra year can give other schools more time to recruit him. Another year to fight to keep an elite commit?

Third, Walton should finish with his RIGHT class, it will save his body so he can get to the NFL faster without risking injury in HS playing for free.

Disagree. Gives him one more year to learn the game, benefits the Miami program because in a year where we need as many scholly's as possible he'll be counting as one and who's to say he beats out Cronk? They're both great players but to assume he'd beat out JC is laughable because I know you're only basing it off of one of them going to Westminster, a small school and the other being at Booker T because honestly they're both right there with one another in terms of talent.

 

[Canesbball]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

He didn't run from competition, staff moved on from him. I'm quiet because I tell what is going on and I'm told I'm lying

I don't think you're lying Token. I don't doubt you believe what you're saying. I just think Walton's recruitment/reclassification has more of an impact than stories about staff slow playing him.

It has literally nothing to do with it. The second Ice took over they basically stopped talking to JC. Ice wanted his guy I understand but to slow play a beast like JC is just ridiculous.

 

[HurricaneU]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

He didn't run from competition, staff moved on from him. I'm quiet because I tell what is going on and I'm told I'm lying

I don't think you're lying Token. I don't doubt you believe what you're saying. I just think Walton's recruitment/reclassification has more of an impact than stories about staff slow playing him.

It has literally nothing to do with it. The second Ice took over they basically stopped talking to JC. Ice wanted his guy I understand but to slow play a beast like JC is just ridiculous.

So its just coincidence that within an hour of the news of Walton reclassifying comes out that Cronk publicly decommits?

Again, I like Cronk. I would have been totally fine if he had stayed and Walton walked. I think people are sleeping on him. And I don't blame him for looking elsewhere.

Its all a moot point now anyway. The situation resolved itself exactly how people expected it to pending Walton's reclassification.

 

[maurice3p]

Lmao at Token being MIA since his boy ran from competition

Lmao @ you being this much of an idiot.

Mark Walton staying in 2016 doesn't benefit anybody. Why wait a year and keep a RB that the kid in 2016 is gonna beat out in camp anyway? It would be a waste. Free up a scholarship to add a LB, QB, or whatever position they REALLY need.

Also, adding an extra year can give other schools more time to recruit him. Another year to fight to keep an elite commit?

Third, Walton should finish with his RIGHT class, it will save his body so he can get to the NFL faster without risking injury in HS playing for free.

Disagree. Gives him one more year to learn the game, benefits the Miami program because in a year where we need as many scholly's as possible he'll be counting as one and who's to say he beats out Cronk? They're both great players but to assume he'd beat out JC is laughable because I know you're only basing it off of one of them going to Westminster, a small school and the other being at Booker T because honestly they're both right there with one another in terms of talent.

One more year to learn what? High school coaching < College coaching?

And to your second point about scholarships, dropping 1 back and picking up another player means a scholarship is free not reduced.

3rd point: every major recruiting site has Walton Rated higher, (so it's not laughable to believe the guy rated higher & more coveted will beat the lower ranked guy in camp right?). Larry Bluestein has said Walton is the 2nd best player in Dade county.