Crazy thought but what if...

...you know what if it just takes time?

I get it, look at (insert coach here) and the results they got at (insert timeframe) is the narrative. But truth is if we go to the coaching hire threads almost all of those guys have been crowned as corches and all have bad losses on their resume.

I know 90% on this board have more answers than Manny cuz apparently it’s as easy as fire this guy, spend more money on coaches, bench this kid, run this scheme and next week we’ll have dynasty.

And I know it’s been 15 years and blah blah blah, but it hasn’t been 15 years. It’s been 2 games.


What if it’s just going to take time to build this thing up?

No worries. Us fans are real good at accepting the fact that we suck. That is exactly what we’re screaming about. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t thrilled at Manny’s instant hire without due diligence. However, I took a wait and see attitude. I liked what he did in the offseason, but wasn’t sure of his coaching ability. Now that he has coached, and I know it’s only two games, I see a team that lacks discipline. Granted JW improved game one to game two, the overall discipline did not improve. The D has regressed. ST, besides the tattooed punter, still sucks. The O line, I understand the situation completely. Somehow, the first couple of series of the first game, Enos seemed to have designed perfect plays. After that, we played like ****. The second game, the players looked stunned by the jarheals. I saw a team lose a fight mentally. This is all on the coaches. Two weeks to prepare, and the team continues shooting itself in the foot with penalties and undisciplined D. Enough has been said about the coaches, so I’m not going to bash them here, but if Manny is to be worth his salt, year two needs better coaches, or we’ll see more of the same next year, just like with AG/D’No and MR/Jr.
 
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No worries. Us fans are real good at accepting the fact that we suck. That is exactly what we’re screaming about. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t thrilled at Manny’s instant hire without due diligence. However, I took a wait and see attitude. I liked what he did in the offseason, but wasn’t sure of his coaching ability. Now that he has coached, and I know it’s only two games, I see a team that lacks discipline. Granted JW improved game one to game two, the overall discipline did not improve. The D has regressed. ST, besides the tattooed punter, still sucks. The O line, I understand the situation completely. Somehow, the first couple of series of the first game, Enos seemed to have designed perfect plays. After that, we played like ****. The second game, the players looked stunned by the jarheals. I saw a team lose a fight mentally. This is all on the coaches. Two weeks to prepare, and the team continues shooting itself in the foot with penalties and undisciplined D. Enough has been said about the coaches, so I’m not going to bash them here, but if Manny is to be worth his salt, year two needs better coaches, or we’ll see more of the same next year, just like with AG/D’No and MR/Jr.


could have just stopped there to be honest
 
I don't think it's realistic that anyone is fired. I have just resigned myself to yet another year of hot garbage. After a 15 year beat down, it's hard not to become a zombie to this cycle of wash, rinse, repeat. On to 2020, 2021,2022.......
 
I don't think it's realistic that anyone is fired. I have just resigned myself to yet another year of hot garbage. After a 15 year beat down, it's hard not to become a zombie to this cycle of wash, rinse, repeat. On to 2020, 2021,2022.......


after 2 games on the road with a combined 7 point loss? LOL some of you folks must be an absolute pleasure in real life
 
If this year is not a disaster (and I don’t think it will be), of course you see what transpires next season.

I still think we improve our record this season.
 
Crazy thought but.... there is no instant miracle cure for this team in the form of a coach.

This by no means is a defense on Manny, but anyone thinking that we should easily sweep aside every team we face and be consistently doing it, clearly doesn't watch a single other CFB game outside of Miami and gets their scouting reports on our players from CIS.

This team is not a sleeping giant it's always touted to be. We have only a handful of guys who could start anywhere in the country and are an extreme mismatch for our opponents. Outside of that, we're in a dogfight for our lives at every position match up and it was always going to take time for whatever coaching staff to bring those guys up to speed and have them playing better.

Whether we have the right coaching staff to do that is unknown at the moment, but what is known is you're wasting your time following this team if you're expecting 50 point beatdowns from an above average team.
 
Crazy thought but.... there is no instant miracle cure for this team in the form of a coach.

This by no means is a defense on Manny, but anyone thinking that we should easily sweep aside every team we face and be consistently doing it, clearly doesn't watch a single other CFB game outside of Miami and gets their scouting reports on our players from CIS.

This team is not a sleeping giant it's always touted to be. We have only a handful of guys who could start anywhere in the country and are an extreme mismatch for our opponents. Outside of that, we're in a dogfight for our lives at every position match up and it was always going to take time for whatever coaching staff to bring those guys up to speed and have them playing better.

Whether we have the right coaching staff to do that is unknown at the moment, but what is known is you're wasting your time following this team if you're expecting 50 point beatdowns from an above average team.

A dose of reality can be a hard pill to swallow.
 
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No worries. Us fans are real good at accepting the fact that we suck. That is exactly what we’re screaming about. Speaking for myself, I wasn’t thrilled at Manny’s instant hire without due diligence. However, I took a wait and see attitude. I liked what he did in the offseason, but wasn’t sure of his coaching ability. Now that he has coached, and I know it’s only two games, I see a team that lacks discipline. Granted JW improved game one to game two, the overall discipline did not improve. The D has regressed. ST, besides the tattooed punter, still sucks. The O line, I understand the situation completely. Somehow, the first couple of series of the first game, Enos seemed to have designed perfect plays. After that, we played like ****. The second game, the players looked stunned by the jarheals. I saw a team lose a fight mentally. This is all on the coaches. Two weeks to prepare, and the team continues shooting itself in the foot with penalties and undisciplined D. Enough has been said about the coaches, so I’m not going to bash them here, but if Manny is to be worth his salt, year two needs better coaches, or we’ll see more of the same next year, just like with AG/D’No and MR/Jr.

Ppl interpreted things different I saw a team start slow (and I’m not saying I’m cool with it. But happens even Bama and Clemson start slow, the difference is when those guys get going they keep the pedal down) that didn’t lose a fight mentally.
To me it takes extreme mental toughness to come back from down 17-3 on a road night game. Many teams in that spot get blown out and aren’t even in the game.

We took the lead and were in position to win the game. Offense has to execute as well as defense. Again the redzone playcalling was a bit conservative and I think Enos is slowly but surely starting to trust Jarren down there. we need to do a better job of being a physical team and running effectively even when the defense knows it’s coming.

On defense I hated the 4th down call. But again if you are My best defender: Trajan Bandy. I need you to make a play. He bailed on a called blitz earlier on the game I need those same instincts. No QB should even dare to throw to your vicinity with the game on the line.

And there are countless other plays.


I’m not going to write off a coach after 2 games. Again I get it “you see the signs” the same as randy and golden....but the reality is no great coach comes out the gates and kills it immediately.
You have to learn and work your way to the top. And most coaches with quick results can’t sustain it. Guys like Malzahn still have their ups and down.

There are Only 3 sure fire coaches right now (and really we don’t even know if Dabo can recreate his Clemson magic somewhere else.) even chip
Kelly hasn’t been able to recreate his magic even with a hand picked super elite QB.

Those three are Saban, Meyer, Dabo and you better be ready to pay 17mil a year in coaching salaries and 1-2m a year in bags.

UGA is trailing and spending but there is no guarantee they get to the top.

Everyone else has to earn their way there. And maybe Manny is the guy or maybe he isn’t. But regardless of the results of these two games no one actually knows that answer yet. But whatever the results will be requires time.
 
We replaced 78 starts in the secondary but that doesn't matter to these "fans"

Wouldn't be surprised if most of these dudes are overweight and couldn't get laid even if they paid for it
 
Lol so many want to gloss over the fact that North Carolina returned a much more experienced team than we did. We replaced almost the entire secondary. We have no depth at linebacker and we have two new starters on the dline and dline depth has also limited experience

I won't comment on the offense because that is even worse. It's easier to rebuild at UNC when you have experience. It happens all the **** time.
No depth on defense, no experience on defense? Who's fault is that? Manny didn't start fresh at Miami he ran the whole defense that's on him. Our LB got outplayed by a QB turned LB, their QB was a true freshman, and they have Searles as an Oline coach.
 
It’s true that it might just be a matter of time and no changes are needed. It’s also important to pay attention to certain indicators to see if there’s any actual progress being made during that “it takes time” period.

One such indicator is how you do against a poor team with less talent than you have. We didn’t do well with that indicator.
 
It’s true that it might just be a matter of time and no changes are needed. It’s also important to pay attention to certain indicators to see if there’s any actual progress being made during that “it takes time” period.

One such indicator is how you do against a poor team with less talent than you have. We didn’t do well with that indicator.

Yes, agree with this very much. I think that anyone calling for firing Diaz at this point is either unrealistic or just trying to be someone who can one day say that "I was one of the first to say Diaz should have been fired." As frustrating as the last 15+ years have been, it only makes it more unrealistic to expect us to have transformed into what we want in one offseason.

However, with that being said, I do think it's fair to judge progress towards where we do expect to reach. Sure, the fact we didn't quit, and came back to take leads in the 2 games, look like signs of a team that is committed and improving, but we've also cited the "not quitting" as a sign of progress under the past few coaches as well. To me, this was more of a sign of progress against UF (as painful as it is to lose to them), but not against UNC. To me, progress against the UNCs on our schedule is to treat those teams like true opponents, and to beat those teams, which is why the UNC game really frustrated me - to come out flat, look unprepared, and then not be able to make the plays we needed to win, that is not making progress towards what we want to be.

One other point on the time needed to reach the program's goals - the way college football recruiting is now, especially for us, is that the ability to land the type of class we want, especially the top end players, is based on our success on the field. I'd think that most fans recognize that while we have the talent to play better than we've been the past several years, it's still not at the level where we need it to reach where we want to go. To get that talent, we need to convince kids that we're relevant, and to do that we need to win and hold that relevance.

Playing on the big stage and beating UF would have put us in the national conversation from the start of the season, but even the close loss at least showed we weren't all that far behind. But losing to UNC is damaging to that goal. The way our schedule seemed to set up, even with a loss to UF and one other loss, to be a 10-2 team, even against a weak schedule, would likely land us in the ACC championship game again, making us a much more relevant program nationally. A 10-2 Miami team in the ACC championship game in the first year under a new coach is a story kids can get behind, and may be enough to hold on to elite talent. An 8-4 Miami team ending up in the Pinstripe Bowl is not likely to attract the types of players we will need to reach the goals we want the program to achieve. Until we can break the cycle of mediocrity on the field, it seems unlikely we'll be able to reach the level of elite recruiting classes off the field to fuel the program going forward.
 
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Ppl interpreted things different I saw a team start slow (and I’m not saying I’m cool with it. But happens even Bama and Clemson start slow, the difference is when those guys get going they keep the pedal down) that didn’t lose a fight mentally.
To me it takes extreme mental toughness to come back from down 17-3 on a road night game. Many teams in that spot get blown out and aren’t even in the game.

We took the lead and were in position to win the game. Offense has to execute as well as defense. Again the redzone playcalling was a bit conservative and I think Enos is slowly but surely starting to trust Jarren down there. we need to do a better job of being a physical team and running effectively even when the defense knows it’s coming.

On defense I hated the 4th down call. But again if you are My best defender: Trajan Bandy. I need you to make a play. He bailed on a called blitz earlier on the game I need those same instincts. No QB should even dare to throw to your vicinity with the game on the line.

And there are countless other plays.


I’m not going to write off a coach after 2 games. Again I get it “you see the signs” the same as randy and golden....but the reality is no great coach comes out the gates and kills it immediately.
You have to learn and work your way to the top. And most coaches with quick results can’t sustain it. Guys like Malzahn still have their ups and down.

There are Only 3 sure fire coaches right now (and really we don’t even know if Dabo can recreate his Clemson magic somewhere else.) even chip
Kelly hasn’t been able to recreate his magic even with a hand picked super elite QB.

Those three are Saban, Meyer, Dabo and you better be ready to pay 17mil a year in coaching salaries and 1-2m a year in bags.

UGA is trailing and spending but there is no guarantee they get to the top.

Everyone else has to earn their way there. And maybe Manny is the guy or maybe he isn’t. But regardless of the results of these two games no one actually knows that answer yet. But whatever the results will be requires time.

Very much appreciate a rational layout of the state of things, from all of you above. I’m gonna lock my view of this coaching staff at what I said after the **** loss, which is, wait and see. I want to see how this staff improves on the team’s onfield discipline, play calling to mitigate the weaknesses, closing on recruiting, and staff tweaks at year end. That being said, Manny’s year two performance has to be a forward step. Remember, the rebuild did not just start, it began with AG’s departure ( and the wind down of sanctions) and that dismal bowl game against wisky. That would make this what, year three? So overall, Manny’s year two would the fourth year of rebuild. It’s the program’s trajectory that matters to me, and right now, it is aggravatingly clear that this staff/admin needs to do better.
 
...you know what if it just takes time?

I get it, look at (insert coach here) and the results they got at (insert timeframe) is the narrative. But truth is if we go to the coaching hire threads almost all of those guys have been crowned as corches and all have bad losses on their resume.

I know 90% on this board have more answers than Manny cuz apparently it’s as easy as fire this guy, spend more money on coaches, bench this kid, run this scheme and next week we’ll have dynasty.

And I know it’s been 15 years and blah blah blah, but it hasn’t been 15 years. It’s been 2 games.


What if it’s just going to take time to build this thing up?

Fully agree.

But also realize fans are knee-jerk and many will never agree—for all the reasons you mentioned; it's been 15 years, "we're Miami, we have higher standards and deserve better". All of that.

Our fans wanted to run Butch out through the road loss at Washington year six—yet many of those same people have begged for his return every coaching hire since.

Had their been social media in 1984, just about everyone would've run Jimmy Johnson out of town year one—going 8-5 with the defending champs and ending the season by blowing a 31-0 home lead to Maryland, losing to Boston College on Flutie's Hail Mary and falling to UCLA in a Fiesta Bowl shootout to end the year.

Clemson fans were still trying to run Dabo out of town year five—but look what he eventually did there; after all their b1tching about him not having the resume (re: "He was only a wide receivers coach and part of a failed Tommy Bowden era! We should've cleaned house completely and hired a big named guy!")

Fact is, yes—it does take time and yes, that might be all it takes for Diaz to turn this into something.

Unfortunately, another fact—people are more impatient now than ever. Not just due to a 15-year drought; but this instant-gratification society as a whole.

Thankfully Manny is Miami-bred and has the stomach for what he's going to deal with—because most guys wouldn't. Butch had it too, having spent five years in Coral Gables on JJ's staff in the eighties. He knew what he was getting into and so does Diaz.
 
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