Coverage vs. Pass Rush

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Since we had a very recent thread discussing CBs, Mike Rumph and all that stuff, with users speculating the amount of value that Manny Diaz puts into his cornerbacks play (if he puts any value into it at all). The truth is, over the past year or so, theres been a huge debate as to what is more important on the defensive side of the ball: Is it the coverage or is it the Pass Rush?

Now, every defensive coach handles this question different, not only with how they treat Free Agency and the build of the roster (in NFL terms, in college terms it would be recruiting and portal), but also with the question of creating a scheme. There is the Buddy Ryan, who is infamous for creating the 46 defense that was all about pressure and getting into the backfield. Theres the Bill Belichick, who always wanted you to think your way through the field, not going with a heavy pass rush until the situation screamed pass. And then theres the Matt Patricia, who just ******* sucks at everything.

Pass Rush can eliminate bad coverage to a certain extent. Defensive coaches want the opposing QB to get nervous and throw with bad mechanics. Thats why pressure as a statistic is way more reliable when it comes to evaluating pass rush compared to sacks, since it happens more often and is more consistent over the course of the game. The interception by Ivey vs NC State is partly due to Nesta Silvera pressuring the QB and making him throw a slightly inaccurate ball. It wont show up on his stat sheet in terms of sacks, passes defended or a TFL, but it is visible on the tape. The last thing you want your QB to do is throw from a stable platform, picking his reads. Right?

Not necessarily. You can pressure the QB as much as you want, some figure it out and throw despite getting drilled afterwards. Dan Marino isnt very mobile, however, with him being an all-time great QB, he became the only QB to rip the 85 Bears into pieces. Using quick throws against the Bears secondary (who were the weakest link), Marino threw for 270 yds and 3 TDs. Tom Brady made a living by completing quick throws into good matchups shortly before getting mauled. Although he struggled for much of the game against the Rams in the Super Bowl (twice, to be fair), he led the Patriots to their sixth championship on a drive that exposed the Rams coverage, all while using the same play over and over again. Mind you, that Rams front had Ndamukong Suh, Aaron Donald and Dante Fowler Jr., three players that arent too bad at their job. Quarterbacks are also getting better and better throwing on the run in scramble drills. And that happened to us vs NC State. Hockman rolled out numerous times, completing passes on the run vs coverage that broke down. You can expose a defense that relies on its pass rush when you scheme your offense so that you use the aggressiveness against them. Brandon Graham forced the game-winning play in Super Bowl 52, and he said: "We have two seconds. After that, we have to get lucky".

Thats essentially what happened in the Clemson vs Miami game. Clemson threw tons of screen passes to Etienne, who led the team in catches, instead of letting Trevor Lawrence sit in the pocket all game and try to play hero ball.

So, how does that lead to our defense? Its simple. This defense requires the Front Seven to make most of the plays. It is designed that way. If they cant disrupt the play enough within 2.5 seconds, its a problem. Its not designed to let the cornerbacks play good coverage, its designed to enforce bad decision making by the QB. Thats why Miami recruits stellar D-Linemen in almost every class and struggles with cornerbacks. And this high-risk approach can work if your Front Seven makes the plays and gets enough pressure to disrupt the QB. However, with offenses becoming more throw heavy, with running attacks becoming more and more based on misdirection and options and with quarterbacks becoming more and more mobile, not only do defenses struggle in general but defenses with a high emphasis on the Front Seven being very aggressive at the LoS struggle even more.

Denver beat New England in 2015 in the AFC Championship Game. The talk was all about New Englands offensive line getting brutalized, Von Miller dominating and Tom Brady getting drilled to the excitement of a lot of football fans. The truth however was that the Denver secondary allowed the Front Four to eliminate every quick throw that the Patriots wanted to throw. The only reason why the Patriots managed to get down the field late was Rob Gronkowski beating double coverage on a 4th and 10 in what I consider the official moment of Gronk being the single-hardest matchup problem in the history of the NFL. Atlanta tried to do the same thing a season later; however, the defense got worn out as the game went on and we all witnessed the biggest choke in Super Bowl history. Until the James White TD in the third quarter, Atlanta dominated by sending four and playing man coverage behind it. It led to five sacks and nine tackles for loss against an offense that was 6th in sacks allowed, had a RB that rushed for 1000+ yards and set the Rushing TD record for the franchise, while a ****ed off QB had a 28-2 TD-INT ratio in 12 games (I know, the Falcons lost, but through three quarters, they absolutely dominated one of the best offenses in the league).

Do I expect Manny Diaz to change his defensive strategy a bit? I actually do. We all make jokes about his "How do you quantify that?", however, when you actually look at the analytics here, they strongly suggest on loading up on cornerbacks, since it is the key driving factor in a good defense. The thing that keeps teams from drafting cornerbacks all the time is the fact that they are harder to scout compared to defensive ends and defensive tackles, with a lot of younger cornerbacks struggling early on in their career. Its what our offense actually exposed more and more in the past weeks. 1vs1 matchups on vertical throws, and, to everyones excitement, we have started to take advantage of these. Our defense should be designed to make 1vs1 coverage an advantage for the defense.

If you are still reading and ended up here, I apologize for making this so very long.
 
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Since we had a very recent thread discussing CBs, Mike Rumph and all that stuff, with users speculating the amount of value that Manny Diaz puts into his cornerbacks play (if he puts any value into it at all). The truth is, over the past year or so, theres been a huge debate as to what is more important on the defensive side of the ball: Is it the coverage or is it the Pass Rush?

Now, every defensive coach handles this question different, not only with how they treat Free Agency and the build of the roster (in NFL terms, in college terms it would be recruiting and portal), but also with the question of creating a scheme. There is the Buddy Ryan, who is infamous for creating the 46 defense that was all about pressure and getting into the backfield. Theres the Bill Belichick, who always wanted you to think your way through the field, not going with a heavy pass rush until the situation screamed pass. And then theres the Matt Patricia, who just ******* sucks at everything.

Pass Rush can eliminate bad coverage to a certain extent. Defensive coaches want the opposing QB to get nervous and throw with bad mechanics. Thats why pressure as a statistic is way more reliable when it comes to evaluating pass rush compared to sacks, since it happens more often and is more consistent over the course of the game. The interception by Ivey vs NC State is partly due to Nesta Silvera pressuring the QB and making him throw a slightly inaccurate ball. It wont show up on his stat sheet in terms of sacks, passes defended or a TFL, but it is visible on the tape. The last thing you want your QB to do is throw from a stable platform, picking his reads. Right?

Not necessarily. You can pressure the QB as much as you want, some figure it out and throw despite getting drilled afterwards. Dan Marino isnt very mobile, however, with him being an all-time great QB, he became the only QB to rip the 85 Bears into pieces. Using quick throws against the Bears secondary (who were the weakest link), Marino threw for 270 yds and 3 TDs. Tom Brady made a living by completing quick throws into good matchups shortly before getting mauled. Although he struggled for much of the game against the Rams in the Super Bowl (twice, to be fair), he led the Patriots to their sixth championship on a drive that exposed the Rams coverage, all while using the same play over and over again. Mind you, that Rams front had Ndamukong Suh, Aaron Donald and Dante Fowler Jr., three players that arent too bad at their job. Quarterbacks are also getting better and better throwing on the run in scramble drills. And that happened to us vs NC State. Hockman rolled out numerous times, completing passes on the run vs coverage that broke down. You can expose a defense that relies on its pass rush when you scheme your offense so that you use the aggressiveness against them. Brandon Graham forced the game-winning play in Super Bowl 52, and he said: "We have two seconds. After that, we have to get lucky".

Thats essentially what happened in the Clemson vs Miami game. Clemson threw tons of screen passes to Etienne, who led the team in catches, instead of letting Trevor Lawrence sit in the pocket all game and try to play hero ball.

So, how does that lead to our defense? Its simple. This defense requires the Front Seven to make most of the plays. It is designed that way. If they cant disrupt the play enough within 2.5 seconds, its a problem. Its not designed to let the cornerbacks play good coverage, its designed to enforce bad decision making by the QB. Thats why Miami recruits stellar D-Linemen in almost every class and struggles with cornerbacks. And this high-risk approach can work if your Front Seven makes the plays and gets enough pressure to disrupt the QB. However, with offenses becoming more throw heavy, with running attacks becoming more and more based on misdirection and options and with quarterbacks becoming more and more mobile, not only do defenses struggle in general but defenses with a high emphasis on the Front Seven being very aggressive at the LoS struggle even more.

Denver beat New England in 2015 in the AFC Championship Game. The talk was all about New Englands offensive line getting brutalized, Von Miller dominating and Tom Brady getting drilled to the excitement of a lot of football fans. The truth however was that the Denver secondary allowed the Front Four to eliminate every quick throw that the Patriots wanted to throw. The only reason why the Patriots managed to get down the field late was Rob Gronkowski beating double coverage on a 4th and 10 in what I consider the official moment of Gronk being the single-hardest matchup problem in the history of the NFL. Atlanta tried to do the same thing a season later; however, the defense got worn out as the game went on and we all witnessed the biggest choke in Super Bowl history. Until the James White TD in the third quarter, Atlanta dominated by sending four and playing man coverage behind it. It led to five sacks and nine tackles for loss against an offense that was 6th in sacks allowed, had a RB that rushed for 1000+ yards and set the Rushing TD record for the franchise, while a ****ed off QB had a 28-2 TD-INT ratio in 12 games (I know, the Falcons lost, but through three quarters, they absolutely dominated one of the best offenses in the league).

Do I expect Manny Diaz to change his defensive strategy a bit? I actually do. We all make jokes about his "How do you quantify that?", however, when you actually look at the analytics here, they strongly suggest on loading up on cornerbacks, since it is the key driving factor in a good defense. The thing that keeps teams from drafting cornerbacks all the time is the fact that they are harder to scout compared to defensive ends and defensive tackles, with a lot of younger cornerbacks struggling early on in their career. Its what our offense actually exposed more and more in the past weeks. 1vs1 matchups on vertical throws, and, to everyones excitement, we have started to take advantage of these. Our defense should be designed to make 1vs1 coverage an advantage for the defense.

If you are still reading and ended up here, I apologize for making this so very long.
Perfect timing, I just posted something on another thread about people complaining and blaming coach rumph, but never stopped to realize this defensive scheme and now under blake baker whose running even more zone and soft man coverages, the scheme is only attracting d-linemen and safeties, but corners and linebackers are not being used at a high level/schematically to attract more players to play in it!

However, I disagree with you on basically any cheatriot exampes you brought up, particularly that Rams example with the 3 d-linemen you named, reason being, how in the **** is this possible, I tried to find the one about holding, but this will get you started:

 
Manny doesn't care about Cornerback play his Defense scheme only cares about TFL, Sacks, and yards per play. He doesn't care about giving up underneath stuff hence why Clemson took all the underneath stuff. Problem is when you have athletes like Clemson that's all they need because playmakers need only the ball in their hands... They'll do the rest. Clemson is going to beat us everytime, and they used the same game plan from when they smacked us with Kelly Bryant. Manny scheme had him looking like Tom Brady out there. He was like 15 for 15 at one point. We need a scheme where our Corners are physical at the line of scrimmage a long with the pass rush. Along with Linebackers who know how to cover/run in space.

Manny is a perfect example of giving the keys to a Ferrari to someone who can't handle it.

He's Dennis Erickson... Smart... But... Without the Championships... And eventually he'll be fired from Miami.

Its no reason your Safeties should lead you in tackles.
 
A good pass rush is the most effective thing you can do in football. Even when we have one here, like you stated, our off coverage and bad Lb play often negate it. It’s the most frustrating thing about this team.
 
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A good pass rush is the most effective thing you can do in football. Even when we have one here, like you stated, our off coverage and bad Lb play often negate it. It’s the most frustrating thing about this team.
Problem with having a good pass rush is, if you dont have any coverage behind it, you can pretty much say goodbye to stops.

You need both to have a very good defense, however, good coverage allows you from a pass rush perspective to do way more stuff.
 
Problem with having a good pass rush is, if you dont have any coverage behind it, you can pretty much say goodbye to stops.

You need both to have a very good defense, however, good coverage allows you from a pass rush perspective to do way more stuff.

But it also forces you to send 5-6 people to get pressure. and even the best secondary’s can’t hold up for more than 4-5 seconds.
 
How long until we sign a 5* CB lol I may die before it happens and I’m 27
 
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Offenses counter aggressive pass rush with short passes. OP mentioned Marino vs the 85 Bears and that was an early example of what everyone does in the modern game. When you play a hyper aggressive pass rush, you counter by spreading the field with 3 or 4 receivers and you work the slants, swings and mesh plays until the defense relents and has to drop guys into coverage. I would argue that corner isn’t the problem with pass defense at all. Our guys aren’t great but they’re decent college coverage guys. They suck at contesting passes but they’re not getting whipped on a consistent basis. I’d say our bigger issue is how we play coverage underneath with our linebackers/striker/safeties. We know teams are countering our pass rush with short passes. We play our corners with outside leverage which is common in cover 1. The idea is to take away quick outside routes and funnel receivers back towards the middle of the field where the free safety can help. Our issue is that we don’t drop a linebacker into the short middle of the field so there’s often a huge gap underneath the free safety and teams can attack that over and over. Think of the near interception by Jennings last week against VT. The quarterback immediately looked to hit the man over the middle because that spot is too often vacated by our linebackers it that time there was actually someone there to disrupt the throw. Manny/Baker insist on sending the linebackers to rush the passer late (once they determine it’s not a running play) and they’re always stuck in no mans land halfway between the inevitability open receiver and the quarterback. They essentially tell the corners to funnel their man towards an empty space.
 
Manny should take notes on Brian Flores' Dolphins defense. Obviously the Fins run a 3-4 vs our 4-2-5, but the philosophical contrast is stark when you compare their top 5 unit (Fins) & our current Canes D that has significantly regressed. Creating havoc & pass rush is great but setting the edge, gap integrity, and stopping the run is vital. Having linebackers & corners who can cover make the d lines job easier & this is something the Canes sorely lack via personnel and it will limit our ability to defend the top offenses unless we either greatly improve recruiting the back end of the D or change the scheme.
 
Why was Buddy Ryan infamous for creating 46 defense?
It was the defense that the Bears had in 1985. It was the ultimate counter for basic offensive systems that played with a maximum of two wideouts and had everyone else at the line of scrimmage.

He put six guys at the line of scrimmage and pressure could come from anywhere. Combined with the fact that the Bears team had Hall of Fame and Pro Bowl talent surrounding the Front Seven, it is still considered by many to be the best defense that has ever played in the National Football League.
 
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Manny should take notes on Brian Flores' Dolphins defense. Obviously the Fins run a 3-4 vs our 4-2-5, but the philosophical contrast is stark when you compare their top 5 unit (Fins) & our current Canes D that has significantly regressed. Creating havoc & pass rush is great but setting the edge, gap integrity, and stopping the run is vital. Having linebackers & corners who can cover make the d lines job easier & this is something the Canes sorely lack via personnel and it will limit our ability to defend the top offenses unless we either greatly improve recruiting the back end of the D or change the scheme.
Flores’ defense is the definition of bend but don't break. They are fifth in the league in points allowed per game but are in the bottom third of the league in yards allowed, passing yards allowed and rushing yards allowed. Keeping guys out of the end zone is the priority but people here flipped out when teams like Pitt and Virginia were able to move the ball even if they didn’t score much. They also have the luxury of just going out and paying one of the league’s best corners in free agency to team with the really good corner they already had. The Hurricanes don’t really have that option unless the up the bag that UF gave Marshall.
 
Flores’ defense is the definition of bend but don't break. They are fifth in the league in points allowed per game but are in the bottom third of the league in yards allowed, passing yards allowed and rushing yards allowed. Keeping guys out of the end zone is the priority but people here flipped out when teams like Pitt and Virginia were able to move the ball even if they didn’t score much. They also have the luxury of just going out and paying one of the league’s best corners in free agency to team with the really good corner they already had. The Hurricanes don’t really have that option unless the up the bag that UF gave Marshall.
The difference to me no doubt for us is the lack of corners. If we had them we can match up way more man to man yet here we are playing passive.
 
Problem with having a good pass rush is, if you dont have any coverage behind it, you can pretty much say goodbye to stops.

You need both to have a very good defense, however, good coverage allows you from a pass rush perspective to do way more stuff.
Exactly!
 
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