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Could the ACC become legit?

LoyalCane24 said:
Don’t shoot the messenger here; I hate the ACC as much as anyone. Right now, it’s the *** crack of college football.

But could it eventually become a legitimate conference?

Miami: We will be a perennial top-five team and win championships. Having a national powerhouse at the top immediately makes the entire conference more relevant. Ranked ACC opponents get more attention, conference games carry more weight, and the league finally has a legitimate national centerpiece.

Notre Dame: If it ever joined—obviously unlikely—it would completely transform the ACC. Miami and Notre Dame competing for championships would give the conference two massive national brands at the top. Even if it never joins, we should play Notre Dame every year.

Virginia Tech: Franklin is a proven coach, and I fully expect Virginia Tech to become a consistent top-15 program. A night game in Blacksburg in November 2028 will probably make me more nervous than most SEC matchups.

The rest:

  • Cal is investing and appears to have found its coach. I could see it becoming a regular top-25 team.
  • Clemson could return to the top 15 or 20 if Dabo finally embraces the portal and NIL. If he doesn’t, he may be gone.
  • FSU will likely fire Norvell and make a serious financial push to rebuild. As much as I hate them, the brand and potential are still there.
  • SMU and Louisville should remain consistent top-25 programs under their current coaches.
  • One or two teams from the UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State and Boston College group will usually be solid.
If this happens, the ACC could regularly have a top-five Miami, a top-15 Virginia Tech and several other ranked teams. That’s suddenly a respectable conference.

And if Notre Dame somehow joined? An ACC led by perennial top-five Miami and Notre Dame teams, with Virginia Tech in the top 15 and several other ranked programs, would be a **** solid conference.

Am I being too optimistic, or can you guys see it happening?
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  • I don't get the infatuation with VT. They've never won a national championship and until 5 minutes ago they've never invested in their program like they're trying to compete for one. So they play a Metallica song on the team entrance, what difference does that make once the game starts? Hyped new coach or not, they need to go out there and prove they belong in this conversation. I expect they probably become a consistent top 25 program in a year or two, but they need to prove it at this point, they've been in the cellar for a while now.
  • Cal is evidently investing, I'm not ready to sign them up as a top-25 team until I see a team that is well coached and can be dangerous.
  • Clemson has potential, they've got talent regardless if it's top 5 talent or not. They still deserve to be mentioned as one of the ACC's strengths.
  • FSU doesn't have anywhere near as much money to throw around as the national media or other fanbases think they do to fix that dumpster fire they've become. IF THEY DID THEY WOULD HAVE ALREADY FIRED NORVELL. And when they're admin is forced to fire Norvell at the end of the year, that's tens of millions of dollars that can't be put into reinvesting into the program to build it back up. Sure, they'll eventually go back to being a top 25 program, but I think they're much further off from returning to "competent" than everyone assumes.
  • SMU, so long as they keep spending, should remain competitively in the top 25, but their recruiting per rankings hasn't been as elite as you would expect for a program notorious for paying players. So we will see in 5 years.
  • Louisville is a consistent top 25 program.
  • UNC has the resources but is not a football school, hence they have no fire to be great. They have the potential to be top 25 with the right coach, but nothing says they'll get there anytime soon.
  • UVA has had 1 good year in like 40 years, let's hold off before assuming they have the potential to be top 25 consistently.
  • Georgia Tech is the most interesting one of in this last line because they've finished in the top 4 or 5 of the ACC for like 3 years straight while overhauling their program, & they have started investing in their program, recruiting is trending up, coaching has been good with a proven ability to sting good teams. Their biggest problem has been lack of administrative & financial support, just like Miami for the prior 20 years pre-Mario, but they seemed to have circled the wagons. This is not the same admin that gave up and adopted the triple option 20 years ago. I expect a consistent top 25 program from them going forward, they're trending up and nationally are underrated IMO.
  • Pitt I think has topped out at what they are, but they're a respectable borderline top 25 team most years because of solid coaching.
  • Syracuse I think has bad coaching but can field a competent 7-5 team from time to time. 2 years ago was a lucky up year.
  • NCSt also has topped out at what they are, atleast under their current coach. They'll be interesting to watch when they change coaches.
  • BC's best years are behind them. They're on a Wake level with regards to investment into their football program.
  • Wake see BC, no investment there to keep up what they did last year.
  • Duke probably topped out on their potential last year. So long as they keep investing they may be a top 25 program every few years.
  • Stanford has all the potential in the world in terms of resources but none of the actual will to do anything about it.

So where will the ACC be between for the next 5 years, assuming the conference holds together that long. In terms of consistently seeing programs, here's what I would guess:
Elite Top 5-8 Teams - Miami, ND (not that they technically count)
Top 15 Teams - I'd expect maybe Clemson, Louisville, maybe GT, and a fair chance at VT
Top 25 Teams - Certainly VT, SMU, occasional Pitt, Maybe Cal, occasional NCSt
Mid to *** teams - Certainly FSU, UNC, UVA, Syracuse, BC, Wake, Duke, Stanford

It's a simple question of who is investing big time in their football program? Miami is at an elite level that isn't matched by anyone other than ND. Clemson is investing but is held back by coaching, they'll be fine post Dabo. Louisville is investing and will be solid. VT is finally investing, we'll have to see if it sticks though year over year. We know SMU is to a degree and is happy to be at the table. Georgia Tech is investing and looks to be solid going forward. UNC is investing but doesn't have priorities straight to spend wisely. FSU is investing but is in such a deep hole with bad coaching that it'll take a while to get out and become elite again. Cal appears to be investing per recruiting rankings.

Other than the southern football-1st programs and Cal, that appears to be it from the ACC.
 
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I agree with what you are saying. Its not impossible. I think most fans are just checked out though.

The ACC would also need to bring in a new tv deal that comes close to the B1G / SEC. I think thats the main issue.
 
Bumping my unpopular thread. UVA looks like a legit top 15-20 team. The state of virginia as a whole has a lot of potential and a bright looking future with UVA and VT. The DMV area has a ton of talent, if those two teams can get it rolling they can both be good programs.

With the amount of talent in the atlantic coast out of high school I can still imagine a world where the conference becomes legit.

The coaching in the ACC right now seems to be at a higher level than I can remember. At least in the top half of the conference.
 
LoyalCane24 said:
Bumping my unpopular thread. UVA looks like a legit top 15-20 team. The state of virginia as a whole has a lot of potential and a bright looking future with UVA and VT. The DMV area has a ton of talent, if those two teams can get it rolling they can both be good programs.

With the amount of talent in the atlantic coast out of high school I can still imagine a world where the conference becomes legit.

The coaching in the ACC right now seems to be at a higher level than I can remember. At least in the top half of the conference.
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they might be. but also nc state might really suck

its the acc version of clemson lsu last year. it's too early to tell which is true yet imo
 
Ispyin said:
they might be. but also nc state might really suck

its the acc version of clemson lsu last year. it's too early to tell which is true yet imo
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100% But I also think there is a lot more potential in this conference than the fan base gives credit
 
LoyalCane24 said:
Don’t shoot the messenger here; I hate the ACC as much as anyone. Right now, it’s the *** crack of college football.

But could it eventually become a legitimate conference?

Miami: We will be a perennial top-five team and win championships. Having a national powerhouse at the top immediately makes the entire conference more relevant. Ranked ACC opponents get more attention, conference games carry more weight, and the league finally has a legitimate national centerpiece.

Notre Dame: If it ever joined—obviously unlikely—it would completely transform the ACC. Miami and Notre Dame competing for championships would give the conference two massive national brands at the top. Even if it never joins, we should play Notre Dame every year.

Virginia Tech: Franklin is a proven coach, and I fully expect Virginia Tech to become a consistent top-15 program. A night game in Blacksburg in November 2028 will probably make me more nervous than most SEC matchups.

The rest:

  • Cal is investing and appears to have found its coach. I could see it becoming a regular top-25 team.
  • Clemson could return to the top 15 or 20 if Dabo finally embraces the portal and NIL. If he doesn’t, he may be gone.
  • FSU will likely fire Norvell and make a serious financial push to rebuild. As much as I hate them, the brand and potential are still there.
  • SMU and Louisville should remain consistent top-25 programs under their current coaches.
  • One or two teams from the UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, NC State and Boston College group will usually be solid.
If this happens, the ACC could regularly have a top-five Miami, a top-15 Virginia Tech and several other ranked teams. That’s suddenly a respectable conference.

And if Notre Dame somehow joined? An ACC led by perennial top-five Miami and Notre Dame teams, with Virginia Tech in the top 15 and several other ranked programs, would be a **** solid conference.

Am I being too optimistic, or can you guys see it happening?
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Look, I'd love to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too, but your dream ACC scenario isn't happening. For a few reasons.

First, you put too much emphasis (and likelihood) on MULTIPLE ACC teams "turning things around" in football by "investing" and "hiring the right coach". As if the Big 10 schools and SEC schools aren't trying to do the exact same thing, but with much more revenue. Your five bullet points are predicated upon:

-VaTech getting better
-Cal getting better
-Clemson getting better
-FSU getting better
-SMU and Louisville maintaining roughly a Top 25 presence
-And then other teams being decent (it's funny that you barely mentioned UVa and DID NOT mention Duke, the two teams in the ACC-CG last year)

And the reality is that the ACC is not going to maintain seven (or eight, if ND were to join) consistent Top 25 teams. It's just not going to happen. Getting one-third of the Top 25 is something that the Big 10 and SEC can do, as they have a lot more revenue to pay coaches and players and maintain top facilities. ****, FSU, a multiple-national-champ standard bearer for the ACC, is trying to cobble enough money together to FIRE a coach, let alone hire a great replacement.

And the second major issue is that you've completely overlooked what is needed today. Not "7 or 8 Top 25 teams". ****, the Big 12 came close to that a few times last year. No, here is what is going to be needed in the future:

-A solid TV broadcast network partner that pays A LOT OF MONEY, comparable to the Big 10/SEC money
-A dedicated cable channel
-A reliable streaming partner
-A compelling footprint with solid member schools that deliver their markets reliably, and that appeal to a nationwide audience

Simply stated, we are a second-class citizen when it comes to the TV broadcast network partner, and we certainly don't get the same money. We have a dedicated cable channel that doesn't pay nearly as well as the Big 10 Network, and is lesser than the SEC network. The streaming partner is yet to be determined, but I suspect the two best deals will go to the Big 10 and SEC. And our footprint is "largely southeastern, but not as good as the SEC" and/or "large, but not as large and western as the Big 10".

So then let's look at the biggest population markets:

1. California - Big 10
2. Texas - SEC
3. Florida - split between the SEC and ACC, but all the SEC has to do is invite FSU and/or Miami
4. New York - do we really believe that Syracuse delivers New York? They barely watch college football
5. Pennsylvania - Big 10
6. Illinois - Big 10
7. Ohio - Big 10
8. Georgia - SEC, come on now
9. North Carolina - ACC, until the SEC takes UNC
10. Michigan - Big 10
11. New Jersey - Big 10
12. Virginia - ACC, until the SEC takes UVa and/or VaTech
13. Washington - Big 10
14. Arizona - Big 12
15. Tennessee - SEC
16. Massachusetts - same as NY above, do we really think that BC delivers Massachusetts?
17. Indiana - Big 10
18. Missouri - SEC
19. Maryland - Big 10
20. Colorado - Big 12
21. Wisconsin - Big 10
22. Minnesota - Big 10
23. South Carolina - ACC and SEC, which would change if the SEC takes Clemson
24. Alabama - SEC
25. Louisiana - SEC

So there are the 25 biggest states. And those 25 states represent EIGHT-FOUR PERCENT of the US population.

And what does the ACC have?

-Half of Florida, for now
-New York and Massachusetts, for what they are worth
-North Carolina, commandingly, which will change when the SEC takes UNC
-Virginia, for now
-Half of South Carolina, for now

So, yeah, it's not exactly a position of power. It's not great for the TV markets, and it certainly hasn't delivered us a lot of money from ABC/ESPN.

And while I'd love to go back 30 or 40 years in a time machine when "Top 25 rankings" drove the conversation on "who the best schools/conferences" were, the reality is very different today.

Sure, "Notre Dame" could help to drive things in the right direction. Which is exactly why ND is NOT going to join the ACC. If ND joins a conference, it will be the Big 10.

Meanwhile, the Big 10 and SEC are rapidly approaching the point where their media rights payouts will DOUBLE the media rights payouts of the ACC. You simply can't compete when that many schools are making double what we make.
 
We’re already ahead of the perception many (including our own fans) have of us. Just have to be more consistent year in and year out; and win these slim opportunities of OOC games. The reputation of the conference is important in and of itself because we were really better than Tennessee in 2024 yet the discussion had us below Alabama who was 9-3. Thankfully our playoff run last season bought us major credibility and benefit of the doubt for now.

We have good coaching and good quarterback play. We also have a ton of stylistic differences whereas the SEC is more homogeneous.

Even with the bad year against the XII last season, i have never considered them the third best conference; it’s a joke that they think of themselves as such despite losing five programs most committed to football to the SEC and B1G. No program in their conference has won a championship since BYU and Colorado in the Reagan era. Before that, we’d have to go back to pre-ww2 when TCU won it in 1938.


Jury is still out on Wake Forest’s program building, if it’ll be sustainable, however Jake ****ert was Cam Ward’s coach and he made the home run OC hire that brought Ward and Mateer to Pullman. UNC has Bill B and Bobby P. They’ll be a tuff out.

I have faith in the programs who have HCs who played for their Alma mater: Miami, Stanford (least amongst them here), Cal, Georgia Tech, and Louisville. I think Rhett Lashalee is doing well even if he isn’t recruiting at a high clip, and SMU has invested a lot of money into football. Clemson has as well, and Dabo has a track record of winning. Even if he isn’t coaching, i don’t think the program will recede from the national conversation.


FSU is a marquee brand on an absolutely horrendous, hopeless stretch with Jordan Travis providing them a two-year Pyrrhic victory in their miserable post-Jimbo decade. But even for all their faults, they beat Alabama last year.

VT had similarly been down bad since losing Beamer/Foster however I believe Franklin will get that program rolling again. UVA is a pleasant surprise, we’ll see how long that lasts.

I think Manny Diaz falls flat on his face in the near future. But Duke is showing they are willing to invest a bit more than usual into football. NC State needs a new coach. Syracuse and Boston College seem far from building up the type of programs they need; but both coaches are notable figures.

Pittsburgh shouldn’t be afraid to fire Narduzzi and invest bigtime in their program however they seem reluctant. Quite odd for a program with a real championship track record and multiple iconic HOFs, recent and retro, to be so uninspiring. His teams are always tuff but he’s basically a rich man’s Doreen. I think after Todd Grantham and Paul Chryst leaving so swiftly for other jobs they want to be loyal to their guy.

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bacane said:
Not a chance. Big 10 & SEC will pick top of litter as they expand, thus leaving crumbs. Money, broadcast rights deals & power/influence are advantages the ACC lacks & can’t match going forward.
Miami has been incredibly shrewd to spend big & rebuild the brand. No guarantee on where we eventually land, but the pre-Mario program would have been cast aside.
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Prob big 10
 
NorthernVirginiaCane said:
How about win it first?
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Wasn’t for acc rules we would have last year . They did noting to fix the issue .. should be . Conference Losses , heard to
Head , and than ranks .
They say strength of schedule in the acc . We don’t pick who we play in the acc so that’s a bs rule
 
CityboyCanes4life82 said:
Miami is probably the only school that can beat a top 5 program. With that said I do like the roster

Miami
V Tech
SMU
Clemson
Virginia
Louisville

Is pretty solid competition
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If Dabo would quit being so hard headed about the portal and FSU would get it ahead out its rear, both of those schools should be playoff contenders alongside Miami. And with the list of schools above all competing for top 25 spots year in and year out the conference would be fine from a competitiveness standpoint.

I think UNC will eventually figure out, tho it may be post BB
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I'd love to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too, but your dream ACC scenario isn't happening. For a few reasons.

First, you put too much emphasis (and likelihood) on MULTIPLE ACC teams "turning things around" in football by "investing" and "hiring the right coach". As if the Big 10 schools and SEC schools aren't trying to do the exact same thing, but with much more revenue. Your five bullet points are predicated upon:

-VaTech getting better
-Cal getting better
-Clemson getting better
-FSU getting better
-SMU and Louisville maintaining roughly a Top 25 presence
-And then other teams being decent (it's funny that you barely mentioned UVa and DID NOT mention Duke, the two teams in the ACC-CG last year)

And the reality is that the ACC is not going to maintain seven (or eight, if ND were to join) consistent Top 25 teams. It's just not going to happen. Getting one-third of the Top 25 is something that the Big 10 and SEC can do, as they have a lot more revenue to pay coaches and players and maintain top facilities. ****, FSU, a multiple-national-champ standard bearer for the ACC, is trying to cobble enough money together to FIRE a coach, let alone hire a great replacement.

And the second major issue is that you've completely overlooked what is needed today. Not "7 or 8 Top 25 teams". ****, the Big 12 came close to that a few times last year. No, here is what is going to be needed in the future:

-A solid TV broadcast network partner that pays A LOT OF MONEY, comparable to the Big 10/SEC money
-A dedicated cable channel
-A reliable streaming partner
-A compelling footprint with solid member schools that deliver their markets reliably, and that appeal to a nationwide audience

Simply stated, we are a second-class citizen when it comes to the TV broadcast network partner, and we certainly don't get the same money. We have a dedicated cable channel that doesn't pay nearly as well as the Big 10 Network, and is lesser than the SEC network. The streaming partner is yet to be determined, but I suspect the two best deals will go to the Big 10 and SEC. And our footprint is "largely southeastern, but not as good as the SEC" and/or "large, but not as large and western as the Big 10".

So then let's look at the biggest population markets:

1. California - Big 10
2. Texas - SEC
3. Florida - split between the SEC and ACC, but all the SEC has to do is invite FSU and/or Miami
4. New York - do we really believe that Syracuse delivers New York? They barely watch college football
5. Pennsylvania - Big 10
6. Illinois - Big 10
7. Ohio - Big 10
8. Georgia - SEC, come on now
9. North Carolina - ACC, until the SEC takes UNC
10. Michigan - Big 10
11. New Jersey - Big 10
12. Virginia - ACC, until the SEC takes UVa and/or VaTech
13. Washington - Big 10
14. Arizona - Big 12
15. Tennessee - SEC
16. Massachusetts - same as NY above, do we really think that BC delivers Massachusetts?
17. Indiana - Big 10
18. Missouri - SEC
19. Maryland - Big 10
20. Colorado - Big 12
21. Wisconsin - Big 10
22. Minnesota - Big 10
23. South Carolina - ACC and SEC, which would change if the SEC takes Clemson
24. Alabama - SEC
25. Louisiana - SEC

So there are the 25 biggest states. And those 25 states represent EIGHT-FOUR PERCENT of the US population.

And what does the ACC have?

-Half of Florida, for now
-New York and Massachusetts, for what they are worth
-North Carolina, commandingly, which will change when the SEC takes UNC
-Virginia, for now
-Half of South Carolina, for now

So, yeah, it's not exactly a position of power. It's not great for the TV markets, and it certainly hasn't delivered us a lot of money from ABC/ESPN.

And while I'd love to go back 30 or 40 years in a time machine when "Top 25 rankings" drove the conversation on "who the best schools/conferences" were, the reality is very different today.

Sure, "Notre Dame" could help to drive things in the right direction. Which is exactly why ND is NOT going to join the ACC. If ND joins a conference, it will be the Big 10.

Meanwhile, the Big 10 and SEC are rapidly approaching the point where their media rights payouts will DOUBLE the media rights payouts of the ACC. You simply can't compete when that many schools are making double what we make.
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generally speaking, I agree with you that we can't maintain 1/3rd of the top 25... but there's no reason we can't maintain:

2 perennial top 10 teams (Miami, FSU, Clemson)
3 more perennial top 25 teams (VT, UVA, UNC, GT, Lou, SMU)
 
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LoyalCane24 said:
Bumping my unpopular thread. UVA looks like a legit top 15-20 team. The state of virginia as a whole has a lot of potential and a bright looking future with UVA and VT. The DMV area has a ton of talent, if those two teams can get it rolling they can both be good programs.

With the amount of talent in the atlantic coast out of high school I can still imagine a world where the conference becomes legit.

The coaching in the ACC right now seems to be at a higher level than I can remember. At least in the top half of the conference.
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Too early to tell with UVA but they look well coached and disciplined.

There's going to be a bias against the ACC no matter what. Every year.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I'd love to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny too, but your dream ACC scenario isn't happening. For a few reasons.

First, you put too much emphasis (and likelihood) on MULTIPLE ACC teams "turning things around" in football by "investing" and "hiring the right coach". As if the Big 10 schools and SEC schools aren't trying to do the exact same thing, but with much more revenue. Your five bullet points are predicated upon:

-VaTech getting better
-Cal getting better
-Clemson getting better
-FSU getting better
-SMU and Louisville maintaining roughly a Top 25 presence
-And then other teams being decent (it's funny that you barely mentioned UVa and DID NOT mention Duke, the two teams in the ACC-CG last year)

And the reality is that the ACC is not going to maintain seven (or eight, if ND were to join) consistent Top 25 teams. It's just not going to happen. Getting one-third of the Top 25 is something that the Big 10 and SEC can do, as they have a lot more revenue to pay coaches and players and maintain top facilities. ****, FSU, a multiple-national-champ standard bearer for the ACC, is trying to cobble enough money together to FIRE a coach, let alone hire a great replacement.

And the second major issue is that you've completely overlooked what is needed today. Not "7 or 8 Top 25 teams". ****, the Big 12 came close to that a few times last year. No, here is what is going to be needed in the future:

-A solid TV broadcast network partner that pays A LOT OF MONEY, comparable to the Big 10/SEC money
-A dedicated cable channel
-A reliable streaming partner
-A compelling footprint with solid member schools that deliver their markets reliably, and that appeal to a nationwide audience

Simply stated, we are a second-class citizen when it comes to the TV broadcast network partner, and we certainly don't get the same money. We have a dedicated cable channel that doesn't pay nearly as well as the Big 10 Network, and is lesser than the SEC network. The streaming partner is yet to be determined, but I suspect the two best deals will go to the Big 10 and SEC. And our footprint is "largely southeastern, but not as good as the SEC" and/or "large, but not as large and western as the Big 10".

So then let's look at the biggest population markets:

1. California - Big 10
2. Texas - SEC
3. Florida - split between the SEC and ACC, but all the SEC has to do is invite FSU and/or Miami
4. New York - do we really believe that Syracuse delivers New York? They barely watch college football
5. Pennsylvania - Big 10
6. Illinois - Big 10
7. Ohio - Big 10
8. Georgia - SEC, come on now
9. North Carolina - ACC, until the SEC takes UNC
10. Michigan - Big 10
11. New Jersey - Big 10
12. Virginia - ACC, until the SEC takes UVa and/or VaTech
13. Washington - Big 10
14. Arizona - Big 12
15. Tennessee - SEC
16. Massachusetts - same as NY above, do we really think that BC delivers Massachusetts?
17. Indiana - Big 10
18. Missouri - SEC
19. Maryland - Big 10
20. Colorado - Big 12
21. Wisconsin - Big 10
22. Minnesota - Big 10
23. South Carolina - ACC and SEC, which would change if the SEC takes Clemson
24. Alabama - SEC
25. Louisiana - SEC

So there are the 25 biggest states. And those 25 states represent EIGHT-FOUR PERCENT of the US population.

And what does the ACC have?

-Half of Florida, for now
-New York and Massachusetts, for what they are worth
-North Carolina, commandingly, which will change when the SEC takes UNC
-Virginia, for now
-Half of South Carolina, for now

So, yeah, it's not exactly a position of power. It's not great for the TV markets, and it certainly hasn't delivered us a lot of money from ABC/ESPN.

And while I'd love to go back 30 or 40 years in a time machine when "Top 25 rankings" drove the conversation on "who the best schools/conferences" were, the reality is very different today.

Sure, "Notre Dame" could help to drive things in the right direction. Which is exactly why ND is NOT going to join the ACC. If ND joins a conference, it will be the Big 10.

Meanwhile, the Big 10 and SEC are rapidly approaching the point where their media rights payouts will DOUBLE the media rights payouts of the ACC. You simply can't compete when that many schools are making double what we make.
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I think there are ways to overcome the challenges you stated so well above. I just don’t think the ACC has the leadership and the membership programs have the commitment to make it happens. SMU, Cal, BC, Ga Tech, UVA/Va Tech could make runs at the Texas, California, Massachusetts, Georgia and DMZ media markets to complement what Miami is doing in Florida. The ACC could cut a major deal with Bezos and Amazon for both media and streaming. The path is there. The will is not.

Much easier for Miami to jump to the BiG, which I hope and believe Echevarria is lining up.
 
grover said:
I think there are ways to overcome the challenges you stated so well above. I just don’t think the ACC has the leadership and the membership programs have the commitment to make it happens. SMU, Cal, BC, Ga Tech, UVA/Va Tech could make runs at the Texas, California, Massachusetts, Georgia and DMZ media markets to complement what Miami is doing in Florida. The ACC could cut a major deal with Bezos and Amazon for both media and streaming. The path is there. The will is not.

Much easier for Miami to jump to the BiG, which I hope and believe Echevarria is lining up.
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The line-up has been happening for quite some time.

And a LOT of CIS posters are going to owe Donna Shalala a big apology (no pun intended). She has been our secret weapon.
 
CityboyCanes4life82 said:
Miami is probably the only school that can beat a top 5 program. With that said I do like the roster

Miami
V Tech
SMU
Clemson
Virginia
Louisville

Is pretty solid competition
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I think this statement is easily misguided given that FSU beat Alabama last year; and Georgia Tech has given UGA **** two years straight.

Alabama finished ranked 9th, was 8th when they played FSU, and isn’t in the top 5 right now: still, my point stands lol.

These programs aren’t bulletproof. NIU beat ND then ND went to the national championship game. Current Stanford Qb Davis Warren took 6-5 Michigan & beat the soon to be national championship Buckeyes.
 
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