Corn Elder

[The Franchise]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

 

[The Franchise]

I'm dead. No unfriendly schemes for CBs.

Can be unfriendly to DEs, DTs, LBs, S but not CB. All schemes are 100% equal.

-Corch Macho

"Corch Macho" has DB's playing at UCLA, Syracuse and Penn, one of which is a potential 1st/2nd round draft pick and another that was 6A-8A Broward County Defensive Player of the Year. I've also coordinated back-to-back seasons with a CB registering over 7 INT's.

So go head smart guy, I'm all ears.

You trying to take credit for Fabian Moreau? Didn't he play RB and WR in HS?

 

[DiegoCane]

In Al's 5 years here the most INTs by a DB is 4, conveniently its Howard in 2013. The other 3 full years the most was 2.

INTs by DBs total:
2011: 5 (Ha)
2012: 6 (Ha)
2013: 15
2014: 4 (Ha)

In the last 5 years the most sacks by a DL is 5 by Chick and Robinson in 2011.

2011: Chick and Robinson 5
2012: Chick 4
2013: Kamalu and Chick 3.5
2014: Kamalu 3.5


Not surprising, Miami has had 2 DL (Vernon and Chick) and 1 DB (McGee) drafted since Al has been here. Vernon had 1.5 sacks his 1 year with Al, he has had a 10 sack season in the NFL

Our ballin CB Corn Elder (who is playing pretty well) has 1 INT in 3 years here.


I don't know how you can't see that this scheme is very unfriendly to DL and DBs. Very hard to make plays when you are on your heels the entire game.

I never said it was unfriendly to DL. Matter of fact, I've been saying the opposite for years. The day these guys got hired I said that we would have a hard time up front.

However, ain't no scheme "unfriendly" for DB's if they're playing every coverage in the book.

INT's are not a true measure of how good a CB is playing. It's a very misleading stat. Even during our great years our CB's didn't get a ton of picks, our Safeties did. When we had the 3rd ranked pass defense in the nation during 2010 none of our CB's had a high number of INT's.

I have yet to see anybody explain exactly how a scheme is unfriendly for a CB. I'm still waiting.

We discussed this in another thread but honestly all you have to do it put on the Cincy tape, go to the end of the game with 2-3 minutes left. Then watch Jamal Carter backpedal at the snap 20 yards down field when Cincy is trying to run out the clock.

 

[INCaneFan]

If Elder leaves, next year at CB could be a nightmare.
Besides Burns, who will we have who's seasoned?

It's hysterical to me that you think Elder might leave but Burns won't at this point. If both were to declare today and the draft were tomorrow, Burns is drafted far ahead of Elder.

 

[BigDikCane]

You all know that #1 from UF is by far the best corner in the nation and its not even close

 

[Coach Macho]

What does had Jamal Carter being 20 yards off have to do with our scheme not developing CB's?

I'm still waiting for an answer. How exactly is our scheme hurting Corners?

 

[GhostRecon_Cane]

It's really not

 

[caneinpsl]

Our CB play this year has been refreshing. Heaven forbid either Corn or Burns goes down though. Both of them look like they will be playing on Sundays.

 

[Coach Macho]

People wanted to see more aggressive press coverage and they got it. The consensus was that we weren't using our CB's properly and that they were playing too far off. Well Elder was in press-man when he got burnt against Cincy. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. He couldn't even lock down the receivers at FAU.

If you wanna be upset about anything regarding our CB's then be upset about the recruiting. Had we offered/signed some of the guys we should have then most likely Howard doesn't even see the field right now. Our depth would be outstanding.

I can understand somebody saying that our scheme is hurting our D-linemen or Linebackers, particularly when we ask them to 2-gap. But hurting our CB's? Nah. Only way to hurt a CB's production is to ask him to play man all day, and that's exactly what this site has been asking for.

 

[Coach Macho]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

Sure, if you're playing man.

Not a single person is saying that though. Nobody is making that point. Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure. It's just the same ol' regurgitated statement of "our scheme is hurting our DB's" with no reasoning behind it.

 

[L A M P]

The only scheme that is "unfriendly" for a CB is man-press.

I think it's pretty unfriendly to ask our CB's to run man coverage with absolutely no pass rush. The frog stance looks intimidating and all but when a QB has 8 seconds to throw the ball, it's not on the secondary.

 

[L A M P]

Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure.

I guess I should have read further before posting. I said it. There.. Does it help validate it?

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

Sure, if you're playing man.

Not a single person is saying that though. Nobody is making that point. Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure. It's just the same ol' regurgitated statement of "our scheme is hurting our DB's" with no reasoning behind it.

Any situation where you aren't getting pressure up front is bad (unfriendly) for your entire secondary, not just man. Those two go hand in hand. Corners are in such high demand at the next level because the vast majority of them don't make plays without some sort of pressure or mistake by the QB/WR.

 

[pumbaa]

People wanted to see more aggressive press coverage and they got it. The consensus was that we weren't using our CB's properly and that they were playing too far off. Well Elder was in press-man when he got burnt against Cincy. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. He couldn't even lock down the receivers at FAU.

If you wanna be upset about anything regarding our CB's then be upset about the recruiting. Had we offered/signed some of the guys we should have then most likely Howard doesn't even see the field right now. Our depth would be outstanding.

I can understand somebody saying that our scheme is hurting our D-linemen or Linebackers, particularly when we ask them to 2-gap. But hurting our CB's? Nah. Only way to hurt a CB's production is to ask him to play man all day, and that's exactly what this site has been asking for.

How friendly is this scheme to our CB when we get no pressure on the CB so they are having a QB that can deliver a pass as they want every play? I also put this on Paul Williams he is a hack and a terrible coach. Also our CB can only be so good when your over the top help at safety is D. Crawford. How confident can you be playing when you know the QB has a clean pocket and your over the top Safety help is a dude that couldnt cut the 3 deep at RB and moved to Safety and doesn't even know which direction we are going?

 

[Coach Macho]

That's all fine and dandy.

Now somebody show me an instance where our CB's are struggling due to lack of pressure. It's not happening, at least not regularly. And up until this conversation it hasn't even been mentioned.

The thing that keeps being regurgitated is that the scheme is running our CB's, particularly Tracy Howard. Not one single time has anybody correlated his struggles with lack of pressure.

 

[The Franchise]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

Sure, if you're playing man.

Not a single person is saying that though. Nobody is making that point. Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure. It's just the same ol' regurgitated statement of "our scheme is hurting our DB's" with no reasoning behind it.

Not a single person? I just made the point. When you don't get any pressure on the QB (and, yes, that's because of the scheme and philosophy when you have the great talent that we have up front), that is very unfriendly to CBs.

There's not a CB in the world who can cover up for a horrible pass rush. But there are plenty of mediocre CBs who have been made to look good by a fierce pass rush.

 

[L A M P]

And up until this conversation it hasn't even been mentioned.

I've seen it mentioned numerous times over the years.. As for this season, the only thing talked about is firing Golden.

 

[Coach Macho]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

Sure, if you're playing man.

Not a single person is saying that though. Nobody is making that point. Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure. It's just the same ol' regurgitated statement of "our scheme is hurting our DB's" with no reasoning behind it.

Not a single person? I just made the point. When you don't get any pressure on the QB (and, yes, that's because of the scheme and philosophy when you have the great talent that we have up front), that is very unfriendly to CBs.

There's not a CB in the world who can cover up for a horrible pass rush. But there are plenty of mediocre CBs who have been made to look good by a fierce pass rush.

Ok...let me run this by again...

It's been said for weeks around here that our scheme is ruining our CB's, particularly Tracy Howard. When asked how a scheme makes a CB look worse...especially a scheme that runs every coverage in the book...nobody gives an answer. LACK OF PRESSURE HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP. Not one person has ever said that Tracy Howard has struggled due to lack of pass rush. However, when I ask how exactly the scheme is ruining our CB's I never get an answer.

Now...

Are we gonna come out of left field and now say that lack of pressure is the reason guys like Tracy Howard aren't doing as well as anticipated? Lemme know so I can get on board with this new grievance. As far as I know (or heard) Tracy Howard was this stud 5-star CB that excels in press-man and Miami doesn't know how to use him.

Pass rush has never been brought up in this discussion, EVER. People were insinuating that our coverage philosophy is ruining the CB's.

 

[INCaneFan]

Macho, what's your opinion of Williams? He's villified on this website and oddly enough, our secondary keeps producing some players.

 

[The Franchise]

There is a scheme that's unfriendly for CB's. A scheme that's primarily press-man. I already said this. However, at Miami we play everything. Howard is always in press-man when he gets burnt. Elder was in press-man against Cincy when he got toasted.

When you're ready, go ahead and tell us exactly how this particular scheme is unfriendly to a CB.

Would a scheme where you get no pressure on the QB be "unfriendly" to CBs?

Sure, if you're playing man.

Not a single person is saying that though. Nobody is making that point. Not one person yet has said that our CB's lack production due to a lack of pressure. It's just the same ol' regurgitated statement of "our scheme is hurting our DB's" with no reasoning behind it.

Not a single person? I just made the point. When you don't get any pressure on the QB (and, yes, that's because of the scheme and philosophy when you have the great talent that we have up front), that is very unfriendly to CBs.

There's not a CB in the world who can cover up for a horrible pass rush. But there are plenty of mediocre CBs who have been made to look good by a fierce pass rush.

Ok...let me run this by again...

It's been said for weeks around here that our scheme is ruining our CB's, particularly Tracy Howard. When asked how a scheme makes a CB look worse...especially a scheme that runs every coverage in the book...nobody gives an answer. LACK OF PRESSURE HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT UP. Not one person has ever said that Tracy Howard has struggled due to lack of pass rush. However, when I ask how exactly the scheme is ruining our CB's I never get an answer.

Now...

Are we gonna come out of left field and now say that lack of pressure is the reason guys like Tracy Howard aren't doing as well as anticipated? Lemme know so I can get on board with this new grievance. As far as I know (or heard) Tracy Howard was this stud 5-star CB that excels in press-man and Miami doesn't know how to use him.

Pass rush has never been brought up in this discussion, EVER. People were insinuating that our coverage philosophy is ruining the CB's.

You're ranting and raving like I've been in a conversation with you about this in the past. This is my first time addressing this subject with you, and I'm confident that it's easier to cover for a very short time than it is for a more extended period of time.

I think it's pretty well accepted that a great pass rush helps pass coverage tremendously and a terrible one destroys it. That's why great pass rushers make millions of dollars in the NFL.

Folden's scheme and philosophy has never produced a good pass rush. His sack numbers and pressures are always horrible.