Convince me why this guy would be a bad hire...

[supacane]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Because, believe it or not, there are better coaches (gasp) that would consider the Miami job.

I don't disagree. I don't think we are in position to take another gamble. 3 straight bad hires. We can't do a fourth. That's why I said that. Imagine having these conversations in 2018. Who knows how many fans we'll have by then, they may cancel the program

 

[Pimp Tight]

I'd hire Ice Harris before that guy.

 

[MT-hurricane]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Because, believe it or not, there are better coaches (gasp) that would consider the Miami job.

I don't disagree. I don't think we are in position to take another gamble. 3 straight bad hires. We can't do a fourth. That's why I said that. Imagine having these conversations in 2018. Who knows how many fans we'll have by then, they may cancel the program

Understood. Probably the best argument for Butch is the security of knowing what you're getting, which ain't bad.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I'd hire Ice Harris before that guy.

Ice, is that you?

 

[supacane]

No, why take a chance on this guy when the Butch is out there. That's why we keep going round in circles then finally backwards for 12 years. Put some money into the program and what you get it back from media money and sponsors. Good coach earns 4,times his salary and have left overs for top class assistants. We cannot afford another experiment.

Because, believe it or not, there are better coaches (gasp) that would consider the Miami job.

I don't disagree. I don't think we are in position to take another gamble. 3 straight bad hires. We can't do a fourth. That's why I said that. Imagine having these conversations in 2018. Who knows how many fans we'll have by then, they may cancel the program

Understood. Probably the best argument for Butch is the security of knowing what you're getting, which ain't bad.

That's my point. We can't mess this one up. Think of how long it would have been since we won anything at all. Not only have we not won a title since 2001, BCS bowl since 03 or a bowl game since 06. Computer Boise bowl. Its a **** shame.

Even if Butch doesn't get us up over the top, he will stack them team with players and develop them, he did it at UNC as well. He knows the school, the area, and has a track record and will be more than motivated to right what was a huge mistake in his career. And key thing, he will get good assistants. Not No D

 

[Cane4Life32]

Let ICE HARRIS coach...

From a recruiting standpoint it would work out, but gameday coaching at this level? Well...couldn't be worse than AL really. He will at least have south FL athletes on lockdown and not begging them the month before signing day because he was chasing NJ kids who either can't stay on the field or off the sauce.

HC - charlie strong
OC - Ice harris
DC - randy shannon

that would be a dream team coaching staff imo

That would be a nitemare... 3 duds

 

[AntwanJ306]

Let ICE HARRIS coach...

From a recruiting standpoint it would work out, but gameday coaching at this level? Well...couldn't be worse than AL really. He will at least have south FL athletes on lockdown and not begging them the month before signing day because he was chasing NJ kids who either can't stay on the field or off the sauce.

HC - charlie strong
OC - Ice harris
DC - randy shannon

that would be a dream team coaching staff imo

That would be a nitemare... 3 duds

Who would we hire to go out and speak to the media?

 

[Cane4Life32]

Strong has been a complete failure in year one with a program that doesnt have looming sanctions
Ice is a high school coach
And randy everyone hated when he was here before because he never blitzed and played soft coverage...
and he along with coker practically sent the program back 5-10 years

 

[FullyERicht]

Let him go to a small D1 school first. Too risky at this point in time, given this is the lowest we've been in 40 years.

 

[Fightinibis]

Lance Leipold. HC at Wisconsin Whitewater. In 7+ seasons at that school his record is an unreal 100-6. He's won 5 National Championships in 7 seasons. He's the fastest HC ever to 100 wins at any level of college football.

With the recent success of HS coaches in high-level D1 football (Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, and Chad Morris come to mind immediately), I wonder why a guy who is currently enjoying unprecedented success in college football can't be successful at the FCS Power 5 level. I'm of the mindset that if you can get incredible results (e.g. total domination in the form of 5 NCs in 7 years and a 100-6 record) at a lower level of football that means it can translate to higher levels. In other words, if you can coach you can coach.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about guys who have had extraordinary success at lower levels like Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, Morris and Leipold. I'm not talking about guys who have had decent success.

Impossible to convince you of that...u may be right. I'm just tired of bargain basement attempts to hit the Malzahn lotto.

UM

 

[Pimp Tight]

Strong has been a complete failure in year one wuith a program that doesnt have looming sanctions
Ice is a high school coach
And randy everyone hated when he was here before because he never blitzed and played soft coverage...
and he along with coker practically sent the program back 5-10 years

Shut up, Fool. You might want to Google RS's DC numbers.

 

[Fightinibis]

Strong has been a complete failure in year one with a program that doesnt have looming sanctions
Ice is a high school coach
And randy everyone hated when he was here before because he never blitzed and played soft coverage...
and he along with coker practically sent the program back 5-10 years

C'mon man....lets talk Stong after at least 3 years with that recruiting base. I'm not sold he's a failure at such a train wreck yet.

That would be the equivalent of expecting him to turn us into title contenders in a year.

UM

 

[thegrimreefer]

Why this guy and not Bob Stitt? If you're talking results, he deserves a mention. Having said that, look forward to coach Ron Turner in 2017.

 

[LatinCane]

He could be a great coach at UM. Proven winner with walk-on players. No scholarships at D-III which makes it even more impressive. I loved the HC at North Dakota State also. He took the job at Wyoming this season and I am following what he does there. No doubt that he can make the Cowboys a player in MWC.

Lance Leipold. HC at Wisconsin Whitewater. In 7+ seasons at that school his record is an unreal 100-6. He's won 5 National Championships in 7 seasons. He's the fastest HC ever to 100 wins at any level of college football.

With the recent success of HS coaches in high-level D1 football (Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, and Chad Morris come to mind immediately), I wonder why a guy who is currently enjoying unprecedented success in college football can't be successful at the FCS Power 5 level. I'm of the mindset that if you can get incredible results (e.g. total domination in the form of 5 NCs in 7 years and a 100-6 record) at a lower level of football that means it can translate to higher levels. In other words, if you can coach you can coach.

Keep in mind that I'm talking about guys who have had extraordinary success at lower levels like Malzahn, Briles, Pruitt, Morris and Leipold. I'm not talking about guys who have had decent success.

 

[TreOFive]

can we stop being a stepping stone. **** the projects

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Can he recruit south florida? And how is he at developing talent?

Anyone competent HC at UM can recruit South Florida. There's no magic potion. Put a good, exciting product on the field, develop players, and work hard.

I remember people questioning whether some redneck from Oklahoma State who grew up in Arkansas could recruit S. FL. Both of those rednecks--JJ and Butch--did an incredible job of it.

I agree to an extent. But how much recruiting has he even done? DIII schools don't offer football scholarships. Does he even have a recruiting budget?

Would be an awfully bold (and stupid, imo) hire for a former powerhouse trying to reclaim its place in the CFB landscape. He did spend 3 seasons as an assistant with Nebraska, but that was 10-12 years ago.

Yes, Div III schools do have a recruiting budget and while they don't offer football scholarships, "academic" scholarships are plentiful at some schools. I'm sure he's a **** of a coach, but there are only a handful of D3 schools that devote the kind of resources to football that Whitewater does. They're like Alabama while 99% of D3 is like Eastern Michigan. Whitewater is also an 11,000 undergrad state school where many D3 schools have only a couple thousand students, or less.

All of this. There are a handful of D III programs that give a crap about football and they dominate the landscape. They technically cannot give out scholarships but they hand out "grants" like Halloween candy to get athletes to come there. And Wisconsin Whitewater is huge compared to most D III schools. Not saying their coach isn't good but it would be a whole different ballgame for him at the D1 level.

 

[The Franchise]

The only real argument against a superior football coach like this is that we'd be better off with the safe hire. The only really safe hire mentioned on this board has been Butch Davis.

We know what Butch can do because he's done it. Butch is a decent technical coach and the best HS to college talent evaluator in history.

Any of the other names mentioned here are a bigger risk than a guy who has done nothing but win. This dude's the ultimate proven winner and leader of men. His question mark would be recruiting and putting together a recruiting staff, which makes Butch Davis the clearly safer alternative.

 

[User-4525]

The only real argument against a superior football coach like this is that we'd be better off with the safe hire. The only really safe hire mentioned on this board has been Butch Davis.

We know what Butch can do because he's done it. Butch is a decent technical coach and the best HS to college talent evaluator in history.

Any of the other names mentioned here are a bigger risk than a guy who has done nothing but win. This dude's the ultimate proven winner and leader of men. His question mark would be recruiting and putting together a recruiting staff, which makes Butch Davis the clearly safer alternative.

Another question about this guy is like Diego said Mount Union and UWW basically have a monopoly in D3 football. He's working with the best talent in his league. His predecessor set a great foundation for him.

That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it's a concern if he has the ability to do more with less and win games against more talented teams.

Definitely an interesting hire but I don't think he will even be considered

 

[Cane Dynasty]

 

[Evenkeel24]

Let ICE HARRIS coach...

From a recruiting standpoint it would work out, but gameday coaching at this level? Well...couldn't be worse than AL really. He will at least have south FL athletes on lockdown and not begging them the month before signing day because he was chasing NJ kids who either can't stay on the field or off the sauce.

HC - charlie strong
OC - Ice harris
DC - randy shannon

that would be a dream team coaching staff imo

That would be a nitemare... 3 duds

Who would we hire to go out and speak to the media?

Lmao, this comment alone should take u out of the red