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canesbaby said:
If you are correct I really hope dollars and conference don’t destroy the Miami-FSU rivalry.
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FSU has already established CLEMSON as its main rivalry other than FLORIDA with this LAWSUIT they worked in tandem on. The two are SEC BOUND IMO. Makes sense for both with their BUILT IN other rivalries in USC, FLORIDA, AUBURN, GEORGIA

MIAMI needs to regroup and find a partner. Either UNC or TAMU. OBVIOUS PROBLEMS with both, but their issues are EASIER HURDLES than NOTRE DAME. NOTRE DAME is in a tier of FIVE that HLQLDLG. Hard to CONVINCE, you saw the ridiculous deal they got during COVID.

Maybe GA TECH can rally to our side and take their academics as F U to SEC ATL? That’s a SLEEPER pick for us
 
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TheOGCane said:
FSU has already established CLEMSON as its main rivalry other than FLORIDA with this LAWSUIT they worked in tandem on. The two are SEC BOUND IMO. Makes sense for both with their BUILT IN other rivalries in USC, FLORIDA, AUBURN, GEORGIA

MIAMI needs to regroup and find a partner. Either UNC or TAMU. OBVIOUS PROBLEMS with both, but their issues are EASIER HURDLES than NOTRE DAME. NOTRE DAME is in a tier of FIVE that HLQLDLG. Hard to CONVINCE, you saw the ridiculous deal they got during COVID.

Maybe GA TECH can rally to our side and take their academics as F U to SEC ATL? That’s a SLEEPER pick for us
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Miami needs to be good at SOMETHING again. Academics or Athletics. Our administration is so f#cking incompetent that saying that we should be good at both is just a laughable proposition. So pick one. Shalala at least had UM going in the right direction academically. We were moving towards top 25, probably would be in the neighborhood of USC reputation wise. Since she left, Frenk flushed UMs rep like a smelly **** and we have returned to being “Suntan U”.

In terms of Athletics, we are going into a life or death negotiation for UM sports. What have we put on tape for the P2? Cristobal being given the biggest budget in the history of the program and bumbling around for two seasons, then finally making it look like we were headed to the ACC championship and faceplanting again due to yet another bad coordinator hire and terrible roster management.

Basketball and baseball are so bad that broadcasting games into the Gaza Strip is considered a war crime by the UN.

If I was running one of the P2s, I would treat UM like the International Monetary Fund treats corrupt countries asking for loans. They only get the loans if they make all the painful economic changes dictated by the IMF. Likewise, P2 should demand that UM replace the entire Board of Trustees with competent leaders, get a school president who has a track record of running a D1 program and maintaining academic and athletic excellence (sorry Joe Echevarria, you don’t qualify), and absolutely, unequivocally ,demand UM replace Sleepy Dan Rad as the AD as a condition to joining the P2. P2 leaders dont want another bottom feeder, and I would be very concerned (and rightfully so) that if UM landed in a P2, UM leadership would hoist up a “Mission Accomplished “ banner and then stop putting any effort into winning championships or the schools academic reputation. In other words, UM would continue its clown act like it has for the past few years.
 
TheOGCane said:
FSU has already established CLEMSON as its main rivalry other than FLORIDA with this LAWSUIT they worked in tandem on. The two are SEC BOUND IMO. Makes sense for both with their BUILT IN other rivalries in USC, FLORIDA, AUBURN, GEORGIA

MIAMI needs to regroup and find a partner. Either UNC or TAMU. OBVIOUS PROBLEMS with both, but their issues are EASIER HURDLES than NOTRE DAME. NOTRE DAME is in a tier of FIVE that HLQLDLG. Hard to CONVINCE, you saw the ridiculous deal they got during COVID.

Maybe GA TECH can rally to our side and take their academics as F U to SEC ATL? That’s a SLEEPER pick for us
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Can't beat em, join em?
 
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This may be the most entertaining thread in the history of CIS. I don't think I've seen more bravado, machismo, and steadfastness of opinion on a topic with so few facts.
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Squid Bumciorek said:
"...Basketball and baseball are so bad that broadcasting games into the Gaza Strip is considered a war crime by the UN..."
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Porst of the Month!

- High motor porster
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- Always looking for contact
- NEVER kneels
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I have a complex question for the smart money on here. Do you see a future where the better programs create relationships with the secondary programs for talent pipeline? And could multi-year NIL contracts be used to tie players into that farm system?

Take QBs for example. The highest correlation to QB success seems to be proven production at the college level. But how do you get this if your first/second-year talent is sitting on the bench? If Cam hadn't sat out the second-half of the Iowa State game, we might be riding with Emory Williams right now.

If we could place these young guys under multi-year NIL contracts, and farm them out to a G5 school, they would get those critical reps to develop and prove readiness. It's a much better system for them in terms of building their personal brand, too. Maybe they could have an exit clause in their contract if we don't call them up, so they don't feel too tied in?

I'd love to park Coleman at FAU next year and let him light it up there, then bring him in as our starter or backup to Nickel in 2027.
 
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grover said:
I have a complex question for the smart money on here. Do you see a future where the better programs create relationships with the secondary programs for talent pipeline? And could multi-year NIL contracts be used to tie players into that farm system?

Take QBs for example. The highest correlation to QB success seems to be proven production at the college level. But how do you get this if your first/second-year talent is sitting on the bench? If Cam hadn't sat out the second-half of the Iowa State game, we might be riding with Emory Williams right now.

If we could place these young guys under multi-year NIL contracts, and farm them out to a G5 school, they would get those critical reps to develop and prove readiness. It's a much better system for them in terms of building their personal brand, too. Maybe they could have an exit clause in their contract if we don't call them up, so they don't feel to tied in?

I'd love to park Coleman at FAU next year and let him light it up there, then bring him in as our starter or backup to Nickel in 2027.
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Like what SMU is doing with us?

I kid, I kid. 🤣

It’s a valid question, and I could see it happening, especially if this P2 thing becomes official. I mean, the way it is right now - and has been for years - being a G5 school sucks. What are they really even playing for? They should have been split off years ago.
 
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Squid Bumciorek said:
Miami needs to be good at SOMETHING again. Academics or Athletics. Our administration is so f#cking incompetent that saying that we should be good at both is just a laughable proposition. So pick one. Shalala at least had UM going in the right direction academically. We were moving towards top 25, probably would be in the neighborhood of USC reputation wise. Since she left, Frenk flushed UMs rep like a smelly **** and we have returned to being “Suntan U”.

In terms of Athletics, we are going into a life or death negotiation for UM sports. What have we put on tape for the P2? Cristobal being given the biggest budget in the history of the program and bumbling around for two seasons, then finally making it look like we were headed to the ACC championship and faceplanting again due to yet another bad coordinator hire and terrible roster management.

Basketball and baseball are so bad that broadcasting games into the Gaza Strip is considered a war crime by the UN.

If I was running one of the P2s, I would treat UM like the International Monetary Fund treats corrupt countries asking for loans. They only get the loans if they make all the painful economic changes dictated by the IMF. Likewise, P2 should demand that UM replace the entire Board of Trustees with competent leaders, get a school president who has a track record of running a D1 program and maintaining academic and athletic excellence (sorry Joe Echevarria, you don’t qualify), and absolutely, unequivocally ,demand UM replace Sleepy Dan Rad as the AD as a condition to joining the P2. P2 leaders dont want another bottom feeder, and I would be very concerned (and rightfully so) that if UM landed in a P2, UM leadership would hoist up a “Mission Accomplished “ banner and then stop putting any effort into winning championships or the schools academic reputation. In other words, UM would continue its clown act like it has for the past few years.
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Not sure that is accurate. Our decline in academic ranking tracks our decline in Football closely. If you look at a school like Clemson, it’s the exact opposite.
 
grover said:
I have a complex question for the smart money on here. Do you see a future where the better programs create relationships with the secondary programs for talent pipeline? And could multi-year NIL contracts be used to tie players into that farm system?

Take QBs for example. The highest correlation to QB success seems to be proven production at the college level. But how do you get this if your first/second-year talent is sitting on the bench? If Cam hadn't sat out the second-half of the Iowa State game, we might be riding with Emory Williams right now.

If we could place these young guys under multi-year NIL contracts, and farm them out to a G5 school, they would get those critical reps to develop and prove readiness. It's a much better system for them in terms of building their personal brand, too. Maybe they could have an exit clause in their contract if we don't call them up, so they don't feel too tied in?

I'd love to park Coleman at FAU next year and let him light it up there, then bring him in as our starter or backup to Nickel in 2027.
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Not sure who among us is the smart money but it likely isn't me unless we're talking about finding good beer when I have to travel.
But, if you mean something like establishing a formal minor league relationship with a G5 school, I don't see it happening. The P4 (or whatever the name becomes for the more wealthy schools in the future) don't like sharing talent that could help in any given year, and the G5 schools would have to cede too much control to get that kind of a relationship. If a school like FIU wanted to partner with Miami, would that mean Miami picks their coaches and tells FIU that these recruits have to play most of the snaps regardless of whether they are outperforming the rest of the players at their position? Would Miami pay for these coaches, or supply the NIL money to keep FIU happy? Miami couldn't just call up one of the FIU players who is excelling to fill in for an injury unless there's a major rule change, so the risk is giving up a year of control over a good player. Or, a prospect "sent down" gets hurt and is out for the next season (or more). I just see too many issues that are too expensive, too risky or too limiting to make this work.
 
3FW said:
Not sure that is accurate. Our decline in academic ranking tracks our decline in Football closely. If you look at a school like Clemson, it’s the exact opposite.
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Clemson, like many other D1 southern public schools, have risen in academic rankings primarily due to population growth.

Edit: yes, I know schools get bumps when their football teams are doing well, but it’s not that much compared to how all of them have been growing over the past twenty years. SC, GA, FL, even AL too.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
IF this is accurate reporting...this is unsustainable and the network contracts will not pay for this...

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Definitely not sustainable. If a school like Ohio State—with it huge alumni base, tradition, and success—struggles with its finances, it's only a matter of time before smaller schools have to bow out of major college sports. There's a reckoning coming for sure. It's why—for all its talk about not expanding—I think the B1G would be fools not to try to pry a Miami/Notre Dame duo. The TV deal would add so much money for all parties and add insane conference lineups with traditional rivalries. Miami vs ND/Penn State/Nebraska/etc and ND vs Miami/USC/Michigan/etc. But even so, no matter how much money you bring in, you can't keep spending more than you make.
 
CreativeCane said:
Definitely not sustainable. If a school like Ohio State—with it huge alumni base, tradition, and success—struggles with its finances, it's only a matter of time before smaller schools have to bow out of major college sports. There's a reckoning coming for sure. It's why—for all its talk about not expanding—I think the B1G would be fools not to try to pry a Miami/Notre Dame duo. The TV deal would add so much money for all parties and add insane conference lineups with traditional rivalries. Miami vs ND/Penn State/Nebraska/etc and ND vs Miami/USC/Michigan/etc. But even so, no matter how much money you bring in, you can't keep spending more than you make.
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Strong points...

However, any news additions to conferences have to be net positive (qualitative or quantitative) for both the conference and school.

This ponzi scheme is going to collapse if they don't put in "program caps".
 
I keep seeing people wanting us to go to the Big10. Reminds me of the old saying “be careful what you wish for”.
We’ve *****ed about officiating since 1988. The Big10 is as notorious as the SEC for its refs protecting the blue bloods and presumed contenders. While the ACC has made replay centralized and in my opinion cut down on some of the really bad replay calls, the SEC and Big10 have purposely IMO kept the replays done by the crews, so that they have plausible deniability. We just have to look at the GT-UGA game and AZSt-UT game to see examples of horrible replay miscalls or non calls. Both on obvious targeting that would have knocked UGA out of the playoffs and Texas dying in the first round. I knew that was a Big10 crew in the UT-AZst game, without being told. Those conferences have been in collusion since the playoff era began.

An even bigger problem. Right now, we’re lucky is we play one game up north in November or December once every year or two. Imagine playing several games every year in snow or frigid conditions?
It’s not a question sometimes as to who the better team is, our players train in the heat and humidity, **** even the Dolphins have historically sucked in snow games.

There is a reason why both the College and NFL home winning streaks were both in the same stadium, the OB. Yes, those were great teams but there have been quite a few dynasties that didn’t do it. Teams from up north coming to Miami in September and October are at a disadvantage, they don’t train in this weather and the opposite will be true if we have to travel to OSU, Illinois, Indiana, Rutgers, Minnesota etc etc.

And yes, those teams have Florida boys, but you acclimate. You can’t acclimate in a day.
 
CreativeCane said:
Definitely not sustainable. If a school like Ohio State—with it huge alumni base, tradition, and success—struggles with its finances, it's only a matter of time before smaller schools have to bow out of major college sports. There's a reckoning coming for sure. It's why—for all its talk about not expanding—I think the B1G would be fools not to try to pry a Miami/Notre Dame duo. The TV deal would add so much money for all parties and add insane conference lineups with traditional rivalries. Miami vs ND/Penn State/Nebraska/etc and ND vs Miami/USC/Michigan/etc. But even so, no matter how much money you bring in, you can't keep spending more than you make.
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Seems so OBVIOUS. and we know what the NUMBER is (highly reduced!!). GTFO. Why isn’t RAD getting us OUR full share to make all parties $$$?

He’s been playing 4D CHESS this whole time. Now show your cards and get us out of this GOD FORSAKEN CONFERENCE
 
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