Comparison between FSU 23' and Miami 17' - the lucky teams

[filmcane]

Basically, both teams had talent, but were not complete.

Miami 17' had a much better D, and RB's.
FSU 23' has/had a better WR core and better QB.

Both teams were lucky and had things bounce their way.

Miami 17' had ZERO business losing to PITT. Should have never happened. If they had beaten Pitt, they would've finished the regular season undefeated like FSU did this year.

FSU 23' at full strength, still gets beat by two scores against a VERY stacked and well-coached Clemson squad in the 17' ACC CH GM.

Which one was better between FSU 23' and UM 17'? Ehhh, if they both played at their best, if would be an interesting battle. Probably FSU 23' because of the QB situation, but it could go to UM as well with the turnover chain and if Malik was having a good game.

Point is, both teams are very similar and had similarly lucky seasons with the difference being, there was no one left in the ACC CH GM to challenge FSU, whereas UM ran into a playoff juggernaught in Clemson's glory years and with that crazy DL they had.

The next year, UM went 7-5. I don't know that FSU will go 7-5, but I don't see them going undefeated or getting better than they were this year even if they get Ward and Jeremiah. We will own both sides of the LOS for next season's game.

Just thought both teams paralleled each other, and although we would've loved to have FSU's season this year, they are a couple of year's away from having this kind of success again.

 

[cocanes]

Basically, both teams had talent, but were not complete.

Miami 17' had a much better D, and RB's.
FSU 23' has/had a better WR core and better QB.

Both teams were lucky and had things bounce their way.

Miami 17' had ZERO business losing to PITT. Should have never happened. If they had beaten Pitt, they would've finished the regular season undefeated like FSU did this year.

FSU 23' at full strength, still gets beat by two scores against a VERY stacked and well-coached Clemson squad in the 17' ACC CH GM.

Which one was better between FSU 23' and UM 17'? Ehhh, if they both played at their best, if would be an interesting battle. Probably FSU 23' because of the QB situation, but it could go to UM as well with the turnover chain and if Malik was having a good game.

Point is, both teams are very similar and had similarly lucky seasons with the difference being, there was no one left in the ACC CH GM to challenge FSU, whereas UM ran into a playoff juggernaught in Clemson's glory years and with that crazy DL they had.

The next year, UM went 7-5. I don't know that FSU will go 7-5, but I don't see them going undefeated or getting better than they were this year even if they get Ward and Jeremiah. We will own both sides of the LOS for next season's game.

Just thought both teams paralleled each other, and although we would've loved to have FSU's season this year, they are a couple of year's away from having this kind of success again.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Basically, both teams had talent, but were not complete.

Miami 17' had a much better D, and RB's.
FSU 23' has/had a better WR core and better QB.

Both teams were lucky and had things bounce their way.

Miami 17' had ZERO business losing to PITT. Should have never happened. If they had beaten Pitt, they would've finished the regular season undefeated like FSU did this year.

FSU 23' at full strength, still gets beat by two scores against a VERY stacked and well-coached Clemson squad in the 17' ACC CH GM.

Which one was better between FSU 23' and UM 17'? Ehhh, if they both played at their best, if would be an interesting battle. Probably FSU 23' because of the QB situation, but it could go to UM as well with the turnover chain and if Malik was having a good game.

Point is, both teams are very similar and had similarly lucky seasons with the difference being, there was no one left in the ACC CH GM to challenge FSU, whereas UM ran into a playoff juggernaught in Clemson's glory years and with that crazy DL they had.

The next year, UM went 7-5. I don't know that FSU will go 7-5, but I don't see them going undefeated or getting better than they were this year even if they get Ward and Jeremiah. We will own both sides of the LOS for next season's game.

Just thought both teams paralleled each other, and although we would've loved to have FSU's season this year, they are a couple of year's away from having this kind of success again.

Fsu is a slightly better team than that UM 2017 team. They have a heisman candidate at qb and some future first round guys. The top end talent they have they beat that UM team by 10-14 pts imo. They are not stacked though. They would get dog walked by the teams that Herbie mentioned. It’s just facts.

 

[mlw352]

Fsu is a slightly better team than that UM 2017 team. They have a heisman candidate at qb and some future first round guys. The top end talent they have they beat that UM team by 10-14 pts imo. They are not stacked though. They would get dog walked by the teams that Herbie mentioned. It’s just facts.

Lmao you must think Malik would’ve **** the bed to believe this average fsu bunch would beat that 17 like that them boys are rooty Pooh man that’s why they’re sitting home contemplating sitting out the orange bowl because nobody believes there that good

 

[Braduhley]

If this years Jordan Travis played on 2017 Miami we still lose by 10+ to Clemson but most of our close wins would have been double digit wins and we also beat Pitt handily.

 

[CaneinBroward]

Eh, give the props to FSU '23. They won all their games including 2 without Travis while Miami lost to Pitt and were blown out by Clemson in the ACC Championship.

That being said, totally agree with the gist of your post. They were both pretender teams that had everything fall their way. Only difference is Miami could only sustain it for 10 games. FSU was able to ride the wave for 13.

 

[bandhammer]

Fsu is a slightly better team than that UM 2017 team. They have a heisman candidate at qb and some future first round guys. The top end talent they have they beat that UM team by 10-14 pts imo. They are not stacked though. They would get dog walked by the teams that Herbie mentioned. It’s just facts.

No it's really not facts. Had Travis been eligible for the playoffs, they would have competed against Michigan just fine. None of the 4 teams in the playoffs are nearly as good as the majority of the national champions have been in the past. The fact that Alabama opened as 2.5 point underdog says so much.

 

[Dwinstitles]

No it's really not facts. Had Travis been eligible for the playoffs, they would have competed against Michigan just fine. None of the 4 teams in the playoffs are nearly as good as the majority of the national champions have been in the past. The fact that Alabama opened as 2.5 point underdog says so much.

IMO fsu gets smacked

 

[filmcane]

No it's really not facts. Had Travis been eligible for the playoffs, they would have competed against Michigan just fine. None of the 4 teams in the playoffs are nearly as good as the majority of the national champions have been in the past. The fact that Alabama opened as 2.5 point underdog says so much.

Appreciate the perspective. I respectfully disagree regarding Michigan. I think the Wolverines would destroy a healthy FSU squad, but we'll never know now.

 

[bandhammer]

Appreciate the perspective. I respectfully disagree regarding Michigan. I think the Wolverines would destroy a healthy FSU squad, but we'll never know now.

I just don't know why you think they would destroy FSU when they haven't destroyed anyone since early November. They didn't destroy Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, or Iowa. Why would they destroy FSU?

 

[cf3000]

We got some sort of lucky wins, but by our guys making plays that year. This year FSU had to have the opposing team ***** up. The missed short FG vs Clemson, the facemask vs BC, the debts Plummer owed some bookie.

 

[filmcane]

I just don't know why you think they would destroy FSU when they haven't destroyed anyone since early November. They didn't destroy Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, or Iowa. Why would they destroy FSU?

I think the matchups would be very unfavorable for the Noles: UofM’s D and especially their secondary would lock down the Nole receivers and the Noles D worked better against finesse passing teams not teams with dominant OL’s like the kind Michigan has.

 

[ItsAUThing.com]

Basically, both teams had talent, but were not complete.

Miami 17' had a much better D, and RB's.
FSU 23' has/had a better WR core and better QB.

Both teams were lucky and had things bounce their way.

Miami 17' had ZERO business losing to PITT. Should have never happened. If they had beaten Pitt, they would've finished the regular season undefeated like FSU did this year.

FSU 23' at full strength, still gets beat by two scores against a VERY stacked and well-coached Clemson squad in the 17' ACC CH GM.

Which one was better between FSU 23' and UM 17'? Ehhh, if they both played at their best, if would be an interesting battle. Probably FSU 23' because of the QB situation, but it could go to UM as well with the turnover chain and if Malik was having a good game.

Point is, both teams are very similar and had similarly lucky seasons with the difference being, there was no one left in the ACC CH GM to challenge FSU, whereas UM ran into a playoff juggernaught in Clemson's glory years and with that crazy DL they had.

The next year, UM went 7-5. I don't know that FSU will go 7-5, but I don't see them going undefeated or getting better than they were this year even if they get Ward and Jeremiah. We will own both sides of the LOS for next season's game.

Just thought both teams paralleled each other, and although we would've loved to have FSU's season this year, they are a couple of year's away from having this kind of success again.

Miami was tremendously lucky in 2017 and success beget success which led to even more lucky breaks before the wheels were off and Rosier and that o-line were completely exposed.

— Miracle toss to Langham to win first game against Florida State since 2009 to get to 4-0.

— Miracle 4th-and-10 grab by Langham to set up a game-winning field goal.

— Dogfight against Syracuse in a 20-19 game late before a final score (Eric Dungey with four picks.)

— Dogfight at North Carolina; needed Heels to turn it over a fourth time late to hang on 24-19.

— 7-0 start is what landed #8 Miami a prime time night showdown against #13 Virginia Tech and that win set up the prime time showdown against #3 Notre Dame a week later; GameDay on campus, et al.

— Struggled with Virginia a week later; twice down 14 points before pouring it on in the second half.

— Pittsburgh's defense took over on Friday after Thanksgiving road game; Miami rushing for 45 yards and Panthers daring Rosier to win it with his arm—the Canes in a scoring drought from midway through second quarter to final two minutes of the ball game.

— Embarrassed by Clemson in ACC title game, 38-3. Out-toughed by Wisconsin, who overcame early double-digit deficit to win 34-24—the Canes at total pretender Thanksgiving week when rising to #2 in the College Football Playoffs before STEAMROLLED by the Tigers...

— ... all of which is pretty much the same story for Florida State in 2023; eked out win versus bad Boston College team (who self-imploded with 18 penalties for 131 yards) ... survived a missed chip-shot field goal at Clemson to escape with a win... got lucky when Riley Leonard went out for Duke in third quarter (when Blue Devils were leading by three)... pedestrian win at Pittsburgh... taken to the wire by a Miami team with a true freshman quarterback... karmically lost Jordan Travis in a trash game against North Alabama... offense went to **** in a handbag against a bad Florida team (that didn't make a bowl this year) and an overrated Louisville squad (who played a bogus ACC schedule with no FSU, Clemson or North Carolina during regular season; rolling in fresh off a loss to 6-5 Kentucky).


ALL THAT TO SAY:

2017 — Miami 27
2023 — FSU 23

 

[mcnaire2004]

Did they have a chain?

 

[QuattroCane]

Miami was tremendously lucky in 2017 and success beget success which led to even more lucky breaks before the wheels were off and Rosier and that o-line were completely exposed.

— Miracle toss to Langham to win first game against Florida State since 2009 to get to 4-0.

— Miracle 4th-and-10 grab by Langham to set up a game-winning field goal.

— Dogfight against Syracuse in a 20-19 game late before a final score (Eric Dungey with four picks.)

— Dogfight at North Carolina; needed Heels to turn it over a fourth time late to hang on 24-19.

— 7-0 start is what landed #8 Miami a prime time night showdown against #13 Virginia Tech and that win set up the prime time showdown against #3 Notre Dame a week later; GameDay on campus, et al.

— Struggled with Virginia a week later; twice down 14 points before pouring it on in the second half.

— Pittsburgh's defense took over on Friday after Thanksgiving road game; Miami rushing for 45 yards and Panthers daring Rosier to win it with his arm—the Canes in a scoring drought from midway through second quarter to final two minutes of the ball game.

— Embarrassed by Clemson in ACC title game, 38-3. Out-toughed by Wisconsin, who overcame early double-digit deficit to win 34-24—the Canes at total pretender Thanksgiving week when rising to #2 in the College Football Playoffs before STEAMROLLED by the Tigers...

— ... all of which is pretty much the same story for Florida State in 2023; eked out win versus bad Boston College team (who self-imploded with 18 penalties for 131 yards) ... survived a missed chip-shot field goal at Clemson to escape with a win... got lucky when Riley Leonard went out for Duke in third quarter (when Blue Devils were leading by three)... pedestrian win at Pittsburgh... taken to the wire by a Miami team with a true freshman quarterback... karmically lost Jordan Travis in a trash game against North Alabama... offense went to **** in a handbag against a bad Florida team (that didn't make a bowl this year) and an overrated Louisville squad (who played a bogus ACC schedule with no FSU, Clemson or North Carolina during regular season; rolling in fresh off a loss to 6-5 Kentucky).


ALL THAT TO SAY:

2017 — Miami 27
2023 — FSU 23

I’ve said all along as much as I loved beating Notre Dame that year if they hit the open touchdown on their opening drive it’s a completely different ballgame he just missed the throw and then it snowballed.

 

[Allabouttheu95]

you’re forgetting a big piece when comparing. Mike Norvell is a tremendous playcaller. They win in a landslide when comparing offensive schemes and playcallers.