Comparing Mark Richt's Staffs at UGA and The U

[FullyERicht]

Mercy, as bad as the Canes have been over the last decade I would think 10-3 the first year would call for ticker tape parades! It will only get better from there. This situation is much better for Richt than GA at the end was. He WINS when he has a QB. The SEC is tough, even the East leaves no room for error. I think Richt is energized by this job and even Mr. negative will be won over by year 3.

Again, you say it will get better, but how and why?? He never did better at UGA, and has an eerily similar staff. Why is he going to break through at Miami? Magic?

 

[true cane fan]

Head Coach: Mark Richt

Offensive Coordinator/QBs- UGA: Schottenheimer ; Miami: Richt.....advantage Miami
Defensive Coordinator- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Diaz......advantage UGA
Defensive Line- UGA: Rocker ; Miami: Kool.......advantage Miami
Offensive Line- UGA: Sale ; Miami: Searles......advantage Miami
Tight Ends- UGA: Lilly ; Miami: Hartley......advantage UGA
Running backs- same coach......push
Secondary- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Rumph/Banda.......advantage UGA
Wide Receivers- UGA McClendon; Miami: TBD......
Linebackers- UGA: Ekeler/Sherrer ; Miami: Diaz......push

Overall, seems to be a push.

For a guy who perennially underachieved, and then got fired, I'm just curious what exactly is going to transform him into a title winning coach at Miami with an equivalent staff?

Oh and btw, Miami had the harder SOS this past season, and UGA played only 3 true road games the entire season, as well as three non P5 cupcakes.

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

the recruits he will have locally in miami could make his scheme really explosive..... he will have better WR/RB/Def at his disposal in south florida, we all know he is an excellent recruiter so that should help hi, out a bit..... but he still needs to get the trench players he was getting from georgia to be a contender for a title..... the recruits in south florida i think will be his biggest advantage and georgia always recruited really good

 

[FullyERicht]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.

In the ACCG next year, and in the playoffs in year 2.

 

[Torocane]

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise. Show me how he is going to magically become a title winning coach.

Well it's subjective. Nothing is guaranteed either way.
While it's fair to question some the hires with this staff...ultimately we don't know how it will all converged.
If you saw the thread on Butch's staff and their backgrounds before they were hired...just goes to show that you never know.

Did you see that thread Franchise stated? Didn't see you on it. Would be interested on your take on it.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

I can't wait to resurrect these threads

 

[58straight]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.

In the ACCG next year, and in the playoffs in year 2.

delusional, have you watched miami linemen at all recently and you think this team has the talent to be in the playoffs in year 2?

 

[FullyERicht]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.

In the ACCG next year, and in the playoffs in year 2.

delusional, have you watched miami linemen at all recently and you think this team has the talent to be in the playoffs in year 2?

Then the coach isn't good enough. Name any name-brand program of the last 15 years who were resurrected......by year 2 all of them either won a title or were in a BCS bowl. OU, USC, OSU, UF, Bama, OSU again.....Look at Harbaugh at Michigan. Instant turn around. If Richt can't turn it around quickly, he never will.

 

[gacericardo]

He went 9-3. You guys are acting like he went 4-8.

So you are saying you would be ok with Miami going 9-3?

We haven't won 10 games in a decade. 9-3 with a chance at 10 next year would be great. Elite class next year and make the playoffs brads senior year.

 

[Zbrod95]

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise. Show me how he is going to magically become a title winning coach.

how bout how he went whit to whit in the 2012 sec championship game with nick Saban and was literally a good pass away from going to the national title and Rolling over Notre dame like bama did or how he turned around a ****show of a program that Georgia was before he got there in a year or his two SEC championships or how bout when nick Saban found out he was fired he basically said it was a travesty to coaching or maybe when he made history as being 1 of 5 head coaches EVER in d-1 to win 132 games in his first 14 years coaching. How bout that since 2002 he's put 75 players in the NFL with 16 first round picks and 51 of those players are still on rosters and since you wanna criticize his choice of staff 45 of of his coaches finished on the all sec coaches first team and has had 89 of them finish on all sec coaches teams. For you to think you know more than a man with that kind of resume is absolutely insane and shows how clueless you are, he's been coaching since 1985 and learned his ways from a legend in Howard schnellenburger and a football god in Bobby Bowden but yet you wanted to hire a ******* nobody from Houston in tom Herman guess what I remember a big time hot shot head coach at Cincinnati and at Washington that were given top 15 head coaching jobs and ones about to be fired and one already was.

 

[jenniferurs]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.

In the ACCG next year, and in the playoffs in year 2.

delusional, have you watched miami linemen at all recently and you think this team has the talent to be in the playoffs in year 2?

This guy is a porster. Don't waste your time. I'm not even sure why I asked.

 

[FullyERicht]

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.

In the ACCG next year, and in the playoffs in year 2.

delusional, have you watched miami linemen at all recently and you think this team has the talent to be in the playoffs in year 2?

This guy is a porster. Don't waste your time. I'm not even sure why I asked.

Not sure if you realize this is a football board, not a yeast infection discussion forum?

 

[kalinis]

i disagree with some of the betters for georgia. i think oc is a huge advantage not a slight one. also huge adv as qb coach also. i disagree the pruitt though is a better dc then diaz. pruitt has never had a top 10 d. that i know of. he was good at fsu but just good. he was below avg at georgia. i thik the s and cb coach together will be an upgrade on pruitt.

there is a reason the top db recruits the next few years in florida all seem to play for american heritage. rumph may not have college experiance but i think he will be a huge upgrade at cb coach for miami, and the safety coach had a team that gave up the fewest 20 + yd plays of any team with him doing safety coaching as a ga. so i think miami upgraded in secondary.

diaz is at worst a push as a lb coach. te coach u have lilly better then hartley but u don't know that. harley did a godo job coaching te's at marshall, i think at worst the coach spots are a push. i think it is a better staff then georgia for one big reason

richt didn't want pruitt or rocker, he was forced to hire both. to think that doesn't affect a football team overall is foolish. the hc didn't want the dc he was forced to have. that alone makes this whole staff a huge upgrade over what he had a georgia.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

i disagree with some of the betters for georgia. i think oc is a huge advantage not a slight one. also huge adv as qb coach also. i disagree the pruitt though is a better dc then diaz. pruitt has never had a top 10 d. that i know of. he was good at fsu but just good. he was below avg at georgia. i thik the s and cb coach together will be an upgrade on pruitt.

there is a reason the top db recruits the next few years in florida all seem to play for american heritage. rumph may not have college experiance but i think he will be a huge upgrade at cb coach for miami, and the safety coach had a team that gave up the fewest 20 + yd plays of any team with him doing safety coaching as a ga. so i think miami upgraded in secondary.

diaz is at worst a push as a lb coach. te coach u have lilly better then hartley but u don't know that. harley did a godo job coaching te's at marshall, i think at worst the coach spots are a push. i think it is a better staff then georgia for one big reason

richt didn't want pruitt or rocker, he was forced to hire both. to think that doesn't affect a football team overall is foolish. the hc didn't want the dc he was forced to have. that alone makes this whole staff a huge upgrade over what he had a georgia.

I was extremely happy when I knew Pruit was not coming to Miami. Highly overrated.

 

[58straight]

just curious ericht who do you feel was the national championship coach that would have this team playing for a title in year 2 that miami passed over for richt?

 

[robertpaige]

Credit to OP for not tilting the position by position analysis to suit his agenda. I hate when folks make up facts like Richt Jr. was an NFL coach or that Diaz has no experience to suit their argument. As to the question, I think it comes down to a few points. (Only my uneducated opinion.)

1. Richt can recruit better players here than at UGA. 2. Schedule is more favorable here for a title run. (SOS is misleading when you are trying to go undefeated or limit yourself to a loss to make the playoff. It's really about comparing the toughest game or games and, for example, FSU is an easier draw than Alabama). 3. Diaz will need to be better DC than many of us fear. He needs to get back to his one star year in TX form for us to win it all. Not saying he stinks, but his avg. is not likely to get us to the dance.

Except FSU is very capable of being the number 1 team evey year, just like Bama, but unlike UGA we actually have to play them every year. So no, the road is not easier.

Secondly, if you make the playoffs, you are going to have to STILL get through an SEC team anyway. So the road is no easier at Miami than UGA. Maybe it was in 2009 when FSU wasnt built back up and there were no playoffs, but the landscape is very very different now. Not to mention the ACC has seen a dramatic upgrade in coaching talent of late, and already is a conference that is putting out more NFL players than any other conference (as of last year).

This guy is pretty obviously an FSU fan...

 

[DiegoCane]

i disagree with some of the betters for georgia. i think oc is a huge advantage not a slight one. also huge adv as qb coach also. i disagree the pruitt though is a better dc then diaz. pruitt has never had a top 10 d. that i know of. he was good at fsu but just good. he was below avg at georgia. i thik the s and cb coach together will be an upgrade on pruitt.

there is a reason the top db recruits the next few years in florida all seem to play for american heritage. rumph may not have college experiance but i think he will be a huge upgrade at cb coach for miami, and the safety coach had a team that gave up the fewest 20 + yd plays of any team with him doing safety coaching as a ga. so i think miami upgraded in secondary.

diaz is at worst a push as a lb coach. te coach u have lilly better then hartley but u don't know that. harley did a godo job coaching te's at marshall, i think at worst the coach spots are a push. i think it is a better staff then georgia for one big reason

richt didn't want pruitt or rocker, he was forced to hire both. to think that doesn't affect a football team overall is foolish. the hc didn't want the dc he was forced to have. that alone makes this whole staff a huge upgrade over what he had a georgia.

Ha, Fail.

Pruitt has been a DC 3 years.

2013: FSU #3
2014: UGA #17 (up from from #45 )
2015: UGA #8

He's the best DC Richt has ever had IMO.

 

[DuffleBagYoda]

How is pruitt factually better than 2 players who have experience at their positions?

 

[MessiahChild]

i disagree with some of the betters for georgia. i think oc is a huge advantage not a slight one. also huge adv as qb coach also. i disagree the pruitt though is a better dc then diaz. pruitt has never had a top 10 d. that i know of. he was good at fsu but just good. he was below avg at georgia. i thik the s and cb coach together will be an upgrade on pruitt.

there is a reason the top db recruits the next few years in florida all seem to play for american heritage. rumph may not have college experiance but i think he will be a huge upgrade at cb coach for miami, and the safety coach had a team that gave up the fewest 20 + yd plays of any team with him doing safety coaching as a ga. so i think miami upgraded in secondary.

diaz is at worst a push as a lb coach. te coach u have lilly better then hartley but u don't know that. harley did a godo job coaching te's at marshall, i think at worst the coach spots are a push. i think it is a better staff then georgia for one big reason

richt didn't want pruitt or rocker, he was forced to hire both. to think that doesn't affect a football team overall is foolish. the hc didn't want the dc he was forced to have. that alone makes this whole staff a huge upgrade over what he had a georgia.

Pruitt had a top-5 defense at FSU in 2013.

 

[ChrisLamar757]

Why does everyone feel the need to engage OP on this level? The "CONVINCE ME" angle reeks of a insecuruty complex. Why should anyone care enough about how you feel to convince you of anything, and why the grandiose self delusional display and exclamation that people should want to convince you of anything?

I myself wasn't incredibly enthused by the Mark Richt hiring, largely because I ideally wanted something different from an offensive philosophy than what he offered historically. But then he was hired. Now, I can choose to be a whiny ****ant about every incremental decision he makes, or I can disengage emotionally, view the moves from a practical, fair perspective, especially when I know that I don't know everything relative to the formation of a winning outfit, at least not as much as the figure making decisions. I have my own ideas, sure, but I recognize a reasonable limit.

I can appreciate the gimmick OP has chosen to go with. It can be healthy as a discussion point at times, but it's morphed into this irrational, uninteresting, unsophisticated, small minded caricature.

Being critical is fine and fair, but you don't have to be a **** poster in the process.

 

[Calinative]

So you've proved that we have improved at the 3 most important position coaches: DL, OL, and QB. And we've improved at OC. So really, the only think even remotely important UGA was better than us at, according to you, is DC.

So I don't know how you are saying this is a push. If we're even at coordinators, but have all the better position coaches at the important positions, then how exactly is this a wash? We clearly have a better staff than he did last year. The only thing you don't like is the DC hire, and you are acting like he is the worst DC there is. In reality he may not be amazing but he isnt a bad DC at all. you're just incredibly pessimistic.