Comparing Mark Richt's Staffs at UGA and The U

[FullyERicht]

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise. Show me how he is going to magically become a title winning coach.

No you wouldn't, you just want to complain.

And how would randy be an upgrade? Same talent, same record.

I think if you could find a legitimate logical reason why a man who underperformed at UGA, who was fired from said job, is going to somehow have a much better career at Miami when he hired a staff that is at best equal to the one that got him fired. Is there something I'm missing in all this? A secret potion perhaps?

 

[moshated305]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Obviously if Richt fails he deserves the heat just like any coach but I just don't see the point in bashing the guy before he has even started camp. At least wait until we see the product on the field.

 

[jmiller]

Head Coach: Mark Richt

Offensive Coordinator/QBs- UGA: Schottenheimer ; Miami: Richt.....advantage Miami
Defensive Coordinator- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Diaz......advantage UGA
Defensive Line- UGA: Rocker ; Miami: Kool.......advantage Miami
Offensive Line- UGA: Sale ; Miami: Searles......advantage Miami
Tight Ends- UGA: Lilly ; Miami: Hartley......advantage UGA
Running backs- same coach......push
Secondary- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Rumph/Banda.......advantage UGA
Wide Receivers- UGA McClendon; Miami: TBD......
Linebackers- UGA: Ekeler/Sherrer ; Miami: Diaz......push

Overall, seems to be a push.

For a guy who perennially underachieved, and then got fired, I'm just curious what exactly is going to transform him into a title winning coach at Miami with an equivalent staff?

Oh and btw, Miami had the harder SOS this past season, and UGA played only 3 true road games the entire season, as well as three non P5 cupcakes.

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

Because no matter what the talking heads on ESPN tell you Georgia is not Miami. A above average coach can win a national championship at Miami. I don't believe thats the case at Georgia. All things equal we have a higher profile program than Georgia. What have they won 2 titles in there entire existence?

 

[ssj4cane]

So if it's a push that means we are bringing a 10 win SEC staff into the ACC. We should all be celebrating.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

When's the last time we had a 10 win team?

I know Richt had one this year.

 

[FullyERicht]

Head Coach: Mark Richt

Offensive Coordinator/QBs- UGA: Schottenheimer ; Miami: Richt.....advantage Miami
Defensive Coordinator- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Diaz......advantage UGA
Defensive Line- UGA: Rocker ; Miami: Kool.......advantage Miami
Offensive Line- UGA: Sale ; Miami: Searles......advantage Miami
Tight Ends- UGA: Lilly ; Miami: Hartley......advantage UGA
Running backs- same coach......push
Secondary- UGA: Pruitt ; Miami: Rumph/Banda.......advantage UGA
Wide Receivers- UGA McClendon; Miami: TBD......
Linebackers- UGA: Ekeler/Sherrer ; Miami: Diaz......push

Overall, seems to be a push.

For a guy who perennially underachieved, and then got fired, I'm just curious what exactly is going to transform him into a title winning coach at Miami with an equivalent staff?

Oh and btw, Miami had the harder SOS this past season, and UGA played only 3 true road games the entire season, as well as three non P5 cupcakes.

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

Because no matter what the talking heads on ESPN tell you Georgia is not Miami. A above average coach can win a national championship at Miami. I don't believe thats the case at Georgia. All things equal we have a higher profile program than Georgia. What have they won 2 titles in there entire existence?

LOLOLOL this is the root of the problem here folks.

This absurd idea that anyone can win at Miami, that Miami is an easy place to win, and that magically all coaches become good at Miami.

The truth is that it takes ELITE coaches to build champions, even at Miami. Once that program is built, just like at LSU with Les Miles, an above average coach can win with it, before it eventually falls apart.

Howard, JJ, and Butch were all NFL guys, with Superbowl rings as coaches. To act like they were average coaches that magically got good at Miami is the epitome of naive. Once the program was on autopilot, Dennis (an above average coach like Les Miles) rode it out until it sank. Coker (an average coach), squeezed one title out and then crashed the plane.

The mistaken idea that "any above average coach can win bc of the magic of Miami" is probably the number one thing I've been arguing against. It is the typical "well, bc he is at Miami now he'll be wayyyyy better" line of thinking that essentially every fan base has when hiring new coaches.

 

[FullyERicht]

When's the last time we had a 10 win team?

I know Richt had one this year.

So the goal is to win ten games? And play in the Tax Slayer bowl? LMFAO soft shouldered thinking right here.

 

[rmcid]

Credit to OP for not tilting the position by position analysis to suit his agenda. I hate when folks make up facts like Richt Jr. was an NFL coach or that Diaz has no experience to suit their argument. As to the question, I think it comes down to a few points. (Only my uneducated opinion.)

1. Richt can recruit better players here than at UGA. 2. Schedule is more favorable here for a title run. (SOS is misleading when you are trying to go undefeated or limit yourself to a loss to make the playoff. It's really about comparing the toughest game or games and, for example, FSU is an easier draw than Alabama). 3. Diaz will need to be better DC than many of us fear. He needs to get back to his one star year in TX form for us to win it all. Not saying he stinks, but his avg. is not likely to get us to the dance.

 

[nystateofmind]

Softer schedule this coming year

Better qb (you conveniently left out that UGA has no qb)


Miami hasn't won 10 games or more in over a decade

Haven't won a bowl since 2006 against Nevada by one Pont

Miami hasn't won a road game against a ranked team since 2009

Please explain to us how this is not an upgrade

LOLOL ah I see another soft shoulder dude who's expectation for Miami are "to be better". Likely another millennial who only cares about participation trophies.

THE GOAL IS TO WIN NATIONAL TITLES. TO BE THE BEST. If that ain't your goal, you ain't a Canes fan.

The irony of you calling someone "soft shouldered".

Lulz.

 

[FullyERicht]

Credit to OP for not tilting the position by position analysis to suit his agenda. I hate when folks make up facts like Richt Jr. was an NFL coach or that Diaz has no experience to suit their argument. As to the question, I think it comes down to a few points. (Only my uneducated opinion.)

1. Richt can recruit better players here than at UGA. 2. Schedule is more favorable here for a title run. (SOS is misleading when you are trying to go undefeated or limit yourself to a loss to make the playoff. It's really about comparing the toughest game or games and, for example, FSU is an easier draw than Alabama). 3. Diaz will need to be better DC than many of us fear. He needs to get back to his one star year in TX form for us to win it all. Not saying he stinks, but his avg. is not likely to get us to the dance.

Except FSU is very capable of being the number 1 team evey year, just like Bama, but unlike UGA we actually have to play them every year. So no, the road is not easier.

Secondly, if you make the playoffs, you are going to have to STILL get through an SEC team anyway. So the road is no easier at Miami than UGA. Maybe it was in 2009 when FSU wasnt built back up and there were no playoffs, but the landscape is very very different now. Not to mention the ACC has seen a dramatic upgrade in coaching talent of late, and already is a conference that is putting out more NFL players than any other conference (as of last year).

 

[Hardcore Cane]

When's the last time we had a 10 win team?

I know Richt had one this year.

So the goal is to win ten games? And play in the Tax Slayer bowl? LMFAO soft shouldered thinking right here.

You will never win every game every year for ever. That's what you act like.

None of us want to lose but guess what champ, it's gonna happen.

Who's your choice? Who would you have hired to go 15-0 every year for the next decade?

Waiting.........

 

[kryptonite]

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise. Show me how he is going to magically become a title winning coach.

No you wouldn't, you just want to complain.

And how would randy be an upgrade? Same talent, same record.

I think if you could find a legitimate logical reason why a man who underperformed at UGA, who was fired from said job, is going to somehow have a much better career at Miami when he hired a staff that is at best equal to the one that got him fired. Is there something I'm missing in all this? A secret potion perhaps?

Secret potion indeed. There's something to be said for chemistry. Pruitt may be a genius, but by all accounts it wasn't working between him and Richt. Personally, I'd rather have a very good staff that works well together than the best at every spot who are constantly butting heads. Look, it makes sense to want the best at all positions, but the truth is that you don't know how a guy will perform at a school until he's there. Maybe these guys will find the missing piece of the puzzle, maybe they won't. Point is, let's hang in there and try to focus on the fact that the staff is hugely upgraded over last year.

As for being happy with 9-3, yes I would. I'd prefer 10+ wins and think that's doable, but won't call for the guys head if there are some growing pains. Like everybody else, I expect more championships, but that is at least 3 recruiting classes away. Say he goes 6-6 the next two years. I'll be right there with you and the rest of the mob outside his door, but there's no way Miami has the cash to boot him and hire another coach. I'd get onboard with the idea that this is the guy and try to enjoy the positives.

 

[valid]

1. coastal teams aren't as good as the SEC east teams.

2. Our recruiting base is alot better than our coastal opponents and if we simply get our share of local prospects, we will have more talent than most of our opponents and equal to that of national title contenders FSU/Clemson

3. profit

 

[FullyERicht]

Again, you are assuming the guy is suddenly going to get beyond that 10 win threshold, simply b/c what? He's in Miami? In 15 years at UGA he was what he was: a guy who hires decent staffs, often with some major question marks, and can't get over the hump despite top recruiting classes. How is this going to change here with a staff that is no better, and a schedule that could be tougher than the 3 cupcake 8 home game SEC east schedule he's had of late?

He had one season with Pruitt to "butt heads". What about the 14 other underachieving seasons? In 15 years he couldn't come up with a staff with chemistry, but now at Miami in his first go around he will?? LMFAO.

 

[Hardcore Cane]

Richt is a very smart play caller. He's proven it many times over.

Do you realize how many games Coley lost us this year?

Go back and watch the film. Play calling was absolutely horrendous.

As bad as the coaching was last year, with a decent play caller, Miami would have been a 10 win team

 

[FullyERicht]

1. coastal teams aren't as good as the SEC east teams.

2. Our recruiting base is alot better than our coastal opponents and if we simply get our share of local prospects, we will have more talent than most of our opponents and equal to that of national title contenders FSU/Clemson

3. profit

I don't think you understand this whole strength of schedule concept. If you want to win a NC, you can lose at most one game all season. If you play a tougher schedule, that is harder to do, regardless of if Vandy is better than Duke. We still have to play FSU every year, and sometimes twice if they win the Atlantic, in order to win a title.

 

[FullyERicht]

Richt is a very smart play caller. He's proven it many times over.

Do you realize how many games Coley lost us this year?

Go back and watch the film. Play calling was absolutely horrendous.

As bad as the coaching was last year, with a decent play caller, Miami would have been a 10 win team

I'm sorry I somehow must have missed the memo where they give you a National Championship ring for winning ten games. My apologies!

 

[ClevelandTNCane]

Mercy, as bad as the Canes have been over the last decade I would think 10-3 the first year would call for ticker tape parades! It will only get better from there. This situation is much better for Richt than GA at the end was. He WINS when he has a QB. The SEC is tough, even the East leaves no room for error. I think Richt is energized by this job and even Mr. negative will be won over by year 3.

 

[sfowler06]

Can someone rationally explain to me how he is going to take the large jump up to a championship winning coach?

What's the point? You've clearly made up your mind.

Let's just wait and see what happens.

I'd love for someone to convince me otherwise. Show me how he is going to magically become a title winning coach.

I highly doubt anyone gives a **** about convincing you. Im sure we all get a kick at laughing at the dumb **** you post, though. Keep going...

 

[jenniferurs]

Willing to give Richt a chance rather than cry about every move he makes. Previous coaches with little to no track record have been Gods on these same boards when they were hired so Richt deserves at east a chance before we bury him.

B/C fans didn't know what extended losing was like. I think most intelligent fans have learned their lesson, and that slurping a new coach regardless of the situation usually does nothing but get bad coaches extensions and longer than deserved tenures.

Richt just made his bed with this staph. If he doesn't win with it quickly, he deserves to feel the heat.

Define win and define quickly.