Comment from lsu 247 reporter on Raymond

Raymond would be a terrific DB coach. Since he's been there they've produced:

Eric Reid (1st round)
Jalen Collins (2nd round)
Tharold Simon (5th round)
Craig Loston (Undrafted)
Ronald Martin (Undrafted)

Now on the roster he has:

Jalen Mills (Projected 2nd round pick)
Tre'Davious White (Projected 1st-2nd round pick)
Kevin Tolliver (freshman AA)

Not to mention Rashad Robinson who spurned us to go there was their top CB as a frosh before he got himself kicked out.
 
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And I hate the recruiting cheerleaders but he's been the primary recruiter for:

Kevin Tolliver (5 star CB from Jacksonville)
Justin Watkins (5 star ATH from Citra, FL)
Savion Smith (5 star CB for Bradenton)
Travonte Valentine
Rashard Robinson
John Battle
Quay Bain

All Florida guys. Now I think it'd be a loss hire as a DC, but you pay a guy like this a lot of money to produce that combo of on field and recruiting production as a DB Coach.
 
And I hate the recruiting cheerleaders but he's been the primary recruiter for:

Kevin Tolliver (5 star CB from Jacksonville)
Justin Watkins (5 star ATH from Citra, FL)
Savion Smith (5 star CB for Bradenton)
Travonte Valentine
Rashard Robinson
John Battle
Quay Bain

All Florida guys. Now I think it'd be a loss hire as a DC, but you pay a guy like this a lot of money to produce that combo of on field and recruiting production as a DB Coach.

what is a recruiting cheerleader?
 
And I hate the recruiting cheerleaders but he's been the primary recruiter for:

Kevin Tolliver (5 star CB from Jacksonville)
Justin Watkins (5 star ATH from Citra, FL)
Savion Smith (5 star CB for Bradenton)
Travonte Valentine
Rashard Robinson
John Battle
Quay Bain

All Florida guys. Now I think it'd be a loss hire as a DC, but you pay a guy like this a lot of money to produce that combo of on field and recruiting production as a DB Coach.

what is a recruiting cheerleader?

People who want to hire a coach because he is a great recruiter but cant coach for ****.
 
Having a hard time wrapping my brain around how DL calls to stop run or pass can effectively, over time, be independent from then defensive backfiled calls to stop the run or pass.

I'm getting the sense that I'm to tied to the legacy way of doing things and defensive philosophies are passing me by...if it works for the Patriots, who the **** am I to differ right?

So, help me out...

I'm assuming that even if the DL and DB calls are "disconnected", one or the other can limit the damage if one (or both) calls get it "wrong" in matching a given offensive play.

I can get on board with that...am I headed in the right direction?
It's more about understanding down & distance, game situations, and the gameplan. As long as everyone is on the same page with that, then you can make those calls independently of each other, and as long as you have competent playcallers...you should be fine.

For instance, if it's 4th and 2 from your own 30, your opponent is out of timeouts, and there are 2 minutes to go, and you're up by...let's say 5...and the offensive personnel comes out in double TE with one WR to the wide side.

You're going to watch for the run first, most likely. You might call a run blitz to the strong side of the line by your front 7 if you're the DC making the run game calls. The pass game DC might call some variant of Cover 1 or Man Free in the back end if you're selling out to stop this 4th & 2 so you can get the ball back and run out the clock. In that situation, common sense given the situation and that offense's tendencies will dictate the calls made by both co-DC's.

Same thing with 3rd and 25 with the same game situation. You want to play zone in the back end to keep everything in front of you so you don't get beat deep and give up the 1st Down (also allows you to read the QB and either break on the run or stop the scramble). You want to force them in to 4th and forever, or at least 4th and long. So, up front the run game DC might send 3 or 4 on the rush (which will also be guarding against the draw or screen plays), but play some variant of Cover 4 behind that. You could see a zone blitz call up front IF you've had success with that, in combination with a Cover 3 look in the back end.

So...I guess what I'm saying is, it's never completely "disconnected", because if you're given the Co-DC duties, you're never completely oblivious to what the other DC is going to call. You're going to likely complement the other DC's play call given all of the variables that are taken into consideration. It gets pretty complicated, but it still hearkens back to conventional playcalling wisdom. The Co-DC's calls may not be strictly connected by ONE play call, but they will always be connected by how all the variables tell them to attack either the run or the pass.

And we haven't even mentioned the numerous checks and audibles that each position group is allowed to make pre-snap as the offense aligns and shows motion.

Basically, the traditional defensive way of playcalling is still there. That's not lost. What making these separate calls does is makes the offense's pre-snap reads harder. You can't read the way the LB's are lined up and say that the coverage is either man or zone. If you split the secondary calls by sides of the formation, you can't really read one S or another and truly know what the entire coverage look is, either. You can't really read where the Mike or the SDE is lined up to pick up a blitz read. It's just mass chaos meant to confuse the offense while your D knows their duties.
 
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RDGeaux said... (original post)Any truth to the rumors that he's been offered a co D coordinator position at MIA? I keep seeing this rumor pop up on other boards

Lsu reporter- So far, the folks I have talked to seem to think it's more about getting a much - deserved raise than anything else.

Another reporter
Ryan bartow put this up moments ago

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Talked to a source extremely close to this situation.
Raymond hasn't heard from Miami and is happy where he's at, per source.
 
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RDGeaux said... (original post)Any truth to the rumors that he's been offered a co D coordinator position at MIA? I keep seeing this rumor pop up on other boards

Lsu reporter- So far, the folks I have talked to seem to think it's more about getting a much - deserved raise than anything else.

Another reporter
Ryan bartow put this up moments ago

2 minutes ago Premium Post
Talked to a source extremely close to this situation.
Raymond hasn't heard from Miami and is happy where he's at, per source.

Well according to Pete and DMoney that last part is bull****
 
Maybe Raymond has to say that until after their bowl game tonight? If this has legs, it'll come out tomorrow or soon after, IMO
 
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I'll post what ever update he posts later

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I'll post what ever update he posts later

Did he ever respond to this?
The lsu reporter said this

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RDGeaux said... (original post)Any truth to the rumors that he's been offered a co D coordinator position at MIA? I keep seeing this rumor pop up on other boards

Lsu reporter- So far, the folks I have talked to seem to think it's more about getting a much - deserved raise than anything else.

Another reporter
Ryan bartow put this up moments ago

2 minutes ago Premium Post
Talked to a source extremely close to this situation.
Raymond hasn't heard from Miami and is happy where he's at, per source.

Well according to Pete and DMoney that last part is bull****

Exactly that Ryan bartow has an agenda against Miami so I always take what he says with grains of salt lol. Pete and dmoney are plugged in so I'm taking their word for it. Plus genron said he was interested and they were cool from the travonte Valentine recruitment so I would happen to think he knows something. We will see in the next day what happens after the bowl game
 
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The lsu reporter said this

2 hours ago via Mobile Premium Post
RDGeaux said... (original post)Any truth to the rumors that he's been offered a co D coordinator position at MIA? I keep seeing this rumor pop up on other boards

Lsu reporter- So far, the folks I have talked to seem to think it's more about getting a much - deserved raise than anything else.

Another reporter
Ryan bartow put this up moments ago

2 minutes ago Premium Post
Talked to a source extremely close to this situation.
Raymond hasn't heard from Miami and is happy where he's at, per source.

Well according to Pete and DMoney that last part is bull****

Because it is bs, complete bs
 
I wonder if Chip Kelly being available changes anything at LSU???

He would go to UT or USC well before LSU......

I don't think USC will fire Helton, but you might be right about Texas.

I think Kelly would do LSU, though. The only reason they didn't fire Miles is because Jimbo said no. But if Kelly wants to coach next year, I think LSU is his best bet in college.
 
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Hope we hear some positive news on the Raymond front shortly after LSU's bowl game tonight. Would love to have both Kuligowski and Raymond on the defensive staff to go along with a proven DC.
 
Hope we hear some positive news on the Raymond front shortly after LSU's bowl game tonight. Would love to have both Kuligowski and Raymond on the defensive staff to go along with a proven DC.

This would be too good to be true. Please let it be true....
 
And I hate the recruiting cheerleaders but he's been the primary recruiter for:

Kevin Tolliver (5 star CB from Jacksonville)
Justin Watkins (5 star ATH from Citra, FL)
Savion Smith (5 star CB for Bradenton)
Travonte Valentine
Rashard Robinson
John Battle
Quay Bain

All Florida guys. Now I think it'd be a loss hire as a DC, but you pay a guy like this a lot of money to produce that combo of on field and recruiting production as a DB Coach.

what is a recruiting cheerleader?

People who want to hire a coach because he is a great recruiter but cant coach for ****.

So that would make Saban one... I think I going to follow his lead over some blind knowitall porster.

Oh and I win.
 
And I hate the recruiting cheerleaders but he's been the primary recruiter for:

Kevin Tolliver (5 star CB from Jacksonville)
Justin Watkins (5 star ATH from Citra, FL)
Savion Smith (5 star CB for Bradenton)
Travonte Valentine
Rashard Robinson
John Battle
Quay Bain

All Florida guys. Now I think it'd be a loss hire as a DC, but you pay a guy like this a lot of money to produce that combo of on field and recruiting production as a DB Coach.

what is a recruiting cheerleader?

People who want to hire a coach because he is a great recruiter but cant coach for ****.

So that would make Saban one... I think I going to follow his lead over some blind knowitall porster.

Oh and I win.

You win what? I answered your question. I didn't state whether or not to hire anyone. You asked what a recruiting cheerleader was so I told you.
 
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