Anyone see Desmond (who I respect) and Luginbill (who I hate) talk about Miami and FSU today on CF Live? Both talked about how Miami has no substance, lack of effort that it takes to be a championship team. (substance) More concerned about things like turnover chains (symbolism). Luginbill says doesnt seem like the players have the pride to make Miami great again (again, lack of substance). FSU they actually said they think Norvell is a good coach (no talk like that about Miami and the head coach), but needs about 3 more years to get the right guys - the talent level not there now they say. Desmond said players have no pride there either to get it right.