Collectives are Cracking

[canesdogo]

They all chipped in to rent a Lamborghini on weekends lol

Dr. L.ThugU......it was an older model.....they got a cut rate deal.........cheap ********........

 

[canesdogo]

Under the table bag money power brokers thought they could become the cannabis dispensaries of CFB money wise and become legal overnight due to the courts. Hope it comes back to bite them. The spirit of the NIL ruling wasn't how it's being utilized by so many of these collectives.

Bags on the table and under are still there.........they did not go away...

 

[Caned Peach]

Bags on the table and under are still there.........they did not go away...

I know they are. What I'm trying to point out is that they're used to moving in a certain way w/out checks and balances. Can't operate that way as a legal entity. Must also be frustrating to have new competition such as us making their lives tougher.

 

[Dr.L.ThugU]

Dr. L.ThugU......it was an older model.....they got a cut rate deal.........cheap ********........

How you been , brother ?

 

[DoctorKrazey]

Did anybody read the suit filed by athletes at USC claiming that they should be recognized as employees? The only issue I foresee with this is they’re discussing the introduction of unions. So what happens if college football players decide they aren’t making enough and they go on strike? It just seems like there are so many questions that need to be addressed with the NIL, portal, etc. but nobody is doing it.

 

[AtlAtty]

THIS x10000000.

I really think some of the lingering opinions around here about Ruiz are based upon two things.

A) Some of us have Shapiro based PTSD and are conflating that era of NCAA rules and that clown tossing around laughably small amounts of cash with the current era of CFB and Ruiz's real wealth.

B) Some of us are just stubborn and for some reason want our initial opinions about Ruiz to be validated so we can score "I told you so!" points here- even though we're now in year TWO of the guy substantially helping the athletics department across the board. How many of you predicted that at best it was one year "attention grab" for the guy?

Bottom line- Ruiz isn't acting as some rogue operator here as UM and an inept AD and administration just shrug their shoulders and want to live in the moment. Disirregardless of our actual oversight too, anybody remotely coherent can clearly see that even in this "wild west" of a NIL landscape that the collective model of doing business on this front is pretty much the ONE way to get in trouble, f*ck kids, and get the school in trouble. It's like in even the most unregulated of settings that these clowns chose to go down the path of the one model that doesn't jive with the minimal regulations.

As far as you guys worried about Ruiz poking some "powerful" bear, I REALLY hope it's not someone involved with the Gator Collective because that would be as soft-shouldered as some of you that incessantly slurp Sabag or probably ordered Colorado jerseys as Christmas gifts for your kids this year.

Absolutely correct on points 1 and 2.

The funny thing about the poking the bear comment at the end is that UM and RUIZ are the bears in recruiting at least, that no one should want to poke. We are still acting like the little school that is afraid and unequipped for battles. When in fact UM is back to being the top dog in recruting which hopefully will mean the top dog period in 2-3 years.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Student athletes should be classified employees, labor cop says

The definition of who is and is not an employee has been the subject of fierce political debate.

www.politico.com

Yes, and here's what is going to happen.

IF IF IF the scholarship, etc. gets viewed as "wages AND AND AND the current framework of NIL remains in place, then it will be a lot like current professional sports, in that NFL salary is one pool of income (subject to various state taxes, based on location of performance) while the NIL money will still be a distinct pool of income that is taxed based on "where earned" (which might be 100% in one state, but could be multi-state depending on the NIL performance requirements).

On the other hand, if "treating college players like employees" allows schools to arrange more comp WITHOUT having to go through NIL hoops and hurdles, then you could see a shifting of monetary compensation from "unrelated" third parties who pay NIL to the school, which would get closer to your original hypothesis about states taxing you based on where you play the games.

Nice thing: kids who go to Florida schools would be guaranteed to have at least 50% of their "pay-for-play" comp go untaxed by the state.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Remember earlier in the year hearing rumblings about whether or not Florida living up to their promises.

You have to truuuuuuuuuuust them Gaytors. They proooooooomise you'll get all your money once you move to Hogtown.

I've also heard that Slingblade Billy promises guys that he won't come in their mouths. I have no idea whether he keeps or breaks that promise.

 

[KingCane20]

As long as Mario is Head Coach, I will not give a dime to the school.

But you will definitely be on here *****ing about EVERYTHING…

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

This is why I ONLY donate to St. Judes....My GF has done a Ton of charity work for them. Go look what the CEOs of Goodwill, Salvation Army etc...make, it's absolutely deplorable.

Check out Special Operations Warrior Foundation. They're a great charity and local to Florida

 

[Brains]

This is why I ONLY donate to St. Judes....My GF has done a Ton of charity work for them. Go look what the CEOs of Goodwill, Salvation Army etc...make, it's absolutely deplorable.

St. Jude and the Shriners hospital.

 

[Cajuncane]

Now CFB gotta figure out how to play by our rules instead of us trying to figure out how to match those mid 6 figure handouts under the counter.._

 

[SayWhat]

What’s funny is everyone talks about UM and Ruiz but LW is the one legit company / collective that was around before the NIL world started. The rest? Not so much.

While that's true, no business throws money away for a loss. Businesses are about profits and let's be frank, he said 10 mil a year at some point. He's not getting that on ROI. Now maybe with the launch of a sports agency, that can change as he's likely to pick up a lot if not most of these athletes. Until that comes to fruition down the line with draft picks, etc we all know what the state of NIL is today. While nothing illegal as best we know, I'm not going to say it's all being done in the spirit of what NIL was intended.

 

[Crimpy]

Would sure be a shame if FSU's new collective fell apart.

 

[BJ305]

Ruiz may be obnoxious as crap and loud but he says he’s following the law and clearly has nothing to hide which makes me assume the checks are clearing. Problem is kids maybe won’t be realistic about their market value and think they deserve more than their other teammate. Ask professional players about their sorry teammates getting more than them

Good thing about college it’s not the nfl , eligibility is only 3-5 years in most cases , it’s not like the nfl where you have to sign a player to multiple contracts , it will always be jealousy but not as bad as it is in the nfl.

 

[WaterburyCane]

While that's true, no business throws money away for a loss. Businesses are about profits and let's be frank, he said 10 mil a year at some point. He's not getting that on ROI. Now maybe with the launch of a sports agency, that can change as he's likely to pick up a lot if not most of these athletes. Until that comes to fruition down the line with draft picks, etc we all know what the state of NIL is today. While nothing illegal as best we know, I'm not going to say it's all being done in the spirit of what NIL was intended.

How is ROI calculated here? Not just in an individual, but as a team. It can’t be just on payout/revenue if you are a playoff/NY6 bowl. Has to also include increased enrollment, merchandise sales, etc.

Things will correct themselves as this NIL era evolves. But I will say, this isn’t only about businesses getting an ROI on their NIL investment. There will always be some boosters who do this for pride/bragging rights. Some of those TAM big heads don’t give a **** about recouping their 10 mill investment or whatever they gave. They care about winning a Natty to shove it in the faces of their UT buddy.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

THIS x10000000.

I really think some of the lingering opinions around here about Ruiz are based upon two things.

A) Some of us have Shapiro based PTSD and are conflating that era of NCAA rules and that clown tossing around laughably small amounts of cash with the current era of CFB and Ruiz's real wealth.

B) Some of us are just stubborn and for some reason want our initial opinions about Ruiz to be validated so we can score "I told you so!" points here- even though we're now in year TWO of the guy substantially helping the athletics department across the board. How many of you predicted that at best it was one year "attention grab" for the guy?

Bottom line- Ruiz isn't acting as some rogue operator here as UM and an inept AD and administration just shrug their shoulders and want to live in the moment. Disirregardless of our actual oversight too, anybody remotely coherent can clearly see that even in this "wild west" of a NIL landscape that the collective model of doing business on this front is pretty much the ONE way to get in trouble, f*ck kids, and get the school in trouble. It's like in even the most unregulated of settings that these clowns chose to go down the path of the one model that doesn't jive with the minimal regulations.

As far as you guys worried about Ruiz poking some "powerful" bear, I REALLY hope it's not someone involved with the Gator Collective because that would be as soft-shouldered as some of you that incessantly slurp Sabag or probably ordered Colorado jerseys as Christmas gifts for your kids this year.

Going OG here, you posterized the naysayers Shawn Kemp style

 

[Big Lou]

• The Supreme Court’s decision against the NCAA paves the way for college athletes to be paid, though the court ruled only on education-related benefits and not broader compensation issues.

i Don’t know how they define education-related benefits but it would appear that 99 pCt of these nil deals are not education related.

 

[TrumpyCane]

THIS x10000000.

I really think some of the lingering opinions around here about Ruiz are based upon two things.

A) Some of us have Shapiro based PTSD and are conflating that era of NCAA rules and that clown tossing around laughably small amounts of cash with the current era of CFB and Ruiz's real wealth.

B) Some of us are just stubborn and for some reason want our initial opinions about Ruiz to be validated so we can score "I told you so!" points here- even though we're now in year TWO of the guy substantially helping the athletics department across the board. How many of you predicted that at best it was one year "attention grab" for the guy?

Bottom line- Ruiz isn't acting as some rogue operator here as UM and an inept AD and administration just shrug their shoulders and want to live in the moment. Disirregardless of our actual oversight too, anybody remotely coherent can clearly see that even in this "wild west" of a NIL landscape that the collective model of doing business on this front is pretty much the ONE way to get in trouble, f*ck kids, and get the school in trouble. It's like in even the most unregulated of settings that these clowns chose to go down the path of the one model that doesn't jive with the minimal regulations.

As far as you guys worried about Ruiz poking some "powerful" bear, I REALLY hope it's not someone involved with the Gator Collective because that would be as soft-shouldered as some of you that incessantly slurp Sabag or probably ordered Colorado jerseys as Christmas gifts for your kids this year.

TrumpyCane will take care of any bear that try’s to F with Ruiz

TrumpyCane also doubted Ruiz at first but TrumpyCane is TrumpyCane was proven wrong

 

[Southbeach44]

Ruiz is doing good things for players. But man he gets in some petty arguments with random people.

It's because he is just a normal dude like all of us. Sure he is super rich. But he is so bleeping cool and down to earth. I got a pic with him and my family at the basketball game yesterday. (Why would a billionaire show up to a game against a lightweight opponent with nobody in the stands)? Because this guy loves The U. I approached him after the game and asked for a family pic. He said "absolutly". He engaged me in casual conversation, asked about where I was from and talked to my kids. Super nice guy. Dude loves UM and is a billionaire, However contrary to perception he DOES NOT act like a ***** at all. He just argues with these other idiots because he is a fan just like us and he is good at proving points obviously. Love Mr. Ruiz and he is great for The U.