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Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Tommy Thigpen ($500,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~88%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

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Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
 
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For me, hiring coaches is like recruiting - it comes down to evaluations and fit way more than "star rankings", if you will. We need to decide what we want our identity to be, and commit to coaches who fit that vision within the framework of what the head coach and AD dictate. If the head coach or AD are unclear on that vision, you get Dan Enos - a "5 star" coordinator on the surface who we didn't bother to vet thoroughly enough before just throwing an ungodly amount of resources at him...
 
The biggest problem we have is at the AD position. He doesn't know football. I do think he tries to do the right thing, and thought that Richt was the solution. It seemed like he had a renewed vigor and wanted a trophy. After ND, it seems like he just lost interest. He also tried again with Manny after hearing the buzz and watching him get offered by Temple. If I'm right, the best thing he can do is push for a football chief of staff ala Highsmith, someone who gets the idiosyncrasies of football compared to other sports.
 
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Consigliere said:
Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Phil Longo (600,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~84%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

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Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
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CLEMSON IS WHERE YOU SET THE BAR AT.

NOT THE COASTAL
NOT UNC
NOT GA TECH
NOT FSU
YOU GET MY POINT!

Anything below that and your just spewing fancy marketing words out your mouth like "Building Champions".
 
Consigliere said:
Before I begin, the goal isn’t simply to win the Coastal, as that is an incredibly low bar. The point is to further explain who we’re competing with on a regular basis as we play six games against these teams in the Coastal.

As you read the post below, I present the following questions:
  • If you were starting from scratch, which HC(s) in the Coastal would you hire?
  • If you were starting from scratch, which coordinators in the Coastal would you want?
  • If it isn’t the money, what is holding us back from dominating the Coastal?
As a frame of reference, Dan Enos was paid $1,500,000 last season. The second highest salary for a coordinator in the Coastal was Bud Foster at $1,000,000.

Please Note:
  • Duke (like Miami) is a private school. They’re not required to share their salaries and I couldn’t find any information about them.
  • I couldn’t find a source for Pittsburgh and their salaries for assistant coaches/coordinators. If someone can find one, I will gladly update.
Duke

HC: David Cutcliffe ($2,670,000)

OC: Zac Roper

Co-DCs: Ben Albert and Matt Guerrieri

Total Assistant Salaries:


Georgia Tech

HC: Geoff Collins ($3,000,000)

OC: Dave Patenaude ($400,000)

DC: Andrew Thacker ($450,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,205,000 [Brent Key is their highest paid coach and not a coordinator at $600,000]

Dan Enos made more than both coordinators and Brent Key combined. Dan Enos was paid ~50% of GT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


North Carolina

HC: Mack Brown ($3,500,000)

OC: Phil Longo ($600,000)

Co-DCs: Jay Bateman ($600,000) and Phil Longo (600,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $4,075,000

Dan Enos made almost as much (~84%) as their three coordinators combined and was paid ~37% of UNC’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Pitt

HC: Pat Narduzzi ($3,214,000)

OC: Mark Whipple

DC: Randy Bates

Total Assistant Salaries:


Virginia

HC: Bronco Mendenhall ($3,700,000)

OC: Robert Anae ($550,000)

Co-DCs: Nick Howell ($550,000) and Kelly Poppinga ($375,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,400,000

Dan Enos made more than their three coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid 44% of UVA’s total allotment for assistant salaries.


Virginia Tech

HC: Justin Fuente ($4,000,000)

OC: Brad Cornelsen ($490,000)

DC: Bud Foster ($1,000,000)

Total Assistant Salaries: $3,670,000

Dan Enos made more than both of their coordinators combined. Dan Enos was paid ~41% of VT’s total allotment for assistant salaries.

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Older Posts

Post #1: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/52-33-under-blake-james.153380/#post-4281375 [The Tenure of Blake James]

Post #2: https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/i-can’t-defend-manny.152274/page-36#post-4243964 [Talent Myth]

Sources

Source #1: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

Source #2: https://businessnc.com/n-c-governors-salary-is-less-than-5-of-mack-browns/

Source #3: https://www.si.com/college/duke/football/where-does-david-cutcliffe-rank-in-acc-coachs-pay

Source #4: https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Source #5: https://www.post-gazette.com/sports...sburgh-panthers-football/stories/201901140117
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Since UM is a private university and the salaries of their coaches is not a matter of public record, how do you know how much Dan Enos' salary was this year?
Did somebody at the university disclose it?
Do you have a reliable source or link that you can post that objectively verifies his salary?
 
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Anybody see the spending stat during the Clemson v OSU game. My memory is

OSU revenue 100 million. Expenses 50 million.

Clemson revenue 50 million. Expenses 48 million.

If my memory is accurate, Clemson appears not to be taking football money to prop up say volleyball. Maybe Miami needs to spend football revenue on football. Just a thought.
 
Cane47 said:
Since UM is a private university and the salaries of their coaches is not a matter of public record, how do you know how much Dan Enos' salary was this year?
Did somebody at the university disclose it?
Do you have a reliable source or link that you can post that objectively verifies his salary?
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Is this your ONLY comment on the whole post?
 
Consigliere said:
So if you were starting from scratch, you would consider bringing in those coaches? Why Bronco or Longo?

Please keep in mind that Foster is retiring.

www.si.com

Bud Foster to retire after 2019 season

Foster will continue to serve Virginia Tech Athletics in a new role following the conclusion of the season.
www.si.com www.si.com
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If it's strictly just taking current coastal coaches at face value without possible retirements, moving conferences, whatever those are my picks.

I'd have to take another look if you're throwing in the retirement. Probably Bates.

I like Broncos no nonsense style and think he's a very good coach. Longo did very well this year with not much to work with.

Freshman QB - nearly 4k yards
Two 1k receivers
Two 1k running backs

12th in total offense in the country. Pretty solid across the board..nearly top 30 in just about every stat. 3rd downs, redzone, etc
 
mirvin88 said:
If it's strictly just taking current coastal coaches at face value without possible retirements, moving conferences, whatever those are my picks.

I'd have to take another look if you're throwing in the retirement. Probably Bates.

I like Broncos no nonsense style and think he's a very good coach. Longo did very well this year with not much to work with.

Freshman QB - nearly 4k yards
Two 1k receivers
Two 1k running backs

12th in total offense in the country. Pretty solid across the board..nearly top 30 in just about every stat. 3rd downs, redzone, etc
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That is fair. Remember, you're not required to pick HCs and/or coordinators in the Coastal. The question is if you were starting from scratch, would you serious consider them?
 
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Consigliere said:
That is fair. Remember, you're not required to pick HCs and/or coordinators in the Coastal. The question is if you were starting from scratch, would you serious consider them?
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If that's the case, probably not.

I'd have Bronco and Longo on the list but not at the top.
 
It's a myth that we don't pay coaches. We do. We just make horrible decisions with whom we choose to hire. Mullen was there...nope, Butch was there...nope. A decade ago, Leach and Patterson were there...nope.
 
Consigliere said:
Is this your ONLY comment on the whole post?
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Ah, the ole answering a question with a question approach.

Okay, I can add: (2) good spelling, (3) good grammar, and (4) good formatting of your post, as additional comments for now.

You've made direct and indirect references to Dan Enos' 1.5 million dollar salary about five (5) times in your post and as one of the major points of your post. Yet I didn't see anything in your post or the links you provided (or even my own brief Google search) that actually verifies his salary

So, going back to my original questions, how do you know Dan Enos' salary and do you have any objectively verifiable information to provide that shows his salary?
 
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Cane47 said:
Ah, the ole answering a question with a question approach.

So, going back to my original questions, how do you know Dan Enos' salary and do you have any objectively verifiable information to provide that shows his salary?
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I asked a question because I wanted to confirm you have NOTHING of relevance to add to this topic.
 
Enos and Foster are outliers. I doubt you see VT pay his replacement 1 mill.

It’s not money that is holding Miami back it’s terrible decisions with coaching staff choices. From Dorotio to CMR thinking he can still call plays to Enos and the staff hires this year.

Miami hasn’t been able to build a complete staff in 10+ years
 
Ty:
Consigliere said:
asked a question because I wanted to confirm you have NOTHING of relevance to add to this topic.
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Pretty lame response by you, was expecting something substantive but guess not.

Do you know what deflection is?
You've just provided two examples of it:
- first in avoiding my questions by asking an irrelevant question, and
- second by now again avoiding my questions by making your silly comment above.

But that's okay I'll still provide some more comments.

You go through this whole lengthy purported analysis with underlining, bolding, bullet points, italicizing. and calculations in apparently attempting to somehow compare and contrast the salaries of certain selected coaches to those of Dan Enos.
Yet when asked twice to simply provide proof of Dan Enos' salary. you refuse and fail to do so.

Whatever point you were trying to make regarding Enos' salary relative to other selected coaches fails miserably from its inception, since you can't even provide any verifiable proof of Enos' salary.
 
Bronco’s discipline alone gets this team’s floor up to 9 wins
 
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