Coach Soldinger

[Rellyrell]

I gurantee u tho that ull b on his dk n everyone else when he starts cleaning up and winning, then all that old **** u said will mean nada. That age bullshyt is just that bullshyt, some of yall i question if ya real canes fans sometimes.

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

Idont see it

in agreement w/ this post by my ninja [MENTION=1165]Dwinstitles[/MENTION]

-First off, Golden's best class here was the 2012 class. The next coach won't have that class at this disposal.
-Second, Golden's second best class was the 2013 class. Many of those guys are thinking about leaving for the draft, so there's a strong possibility they might not be here either.
-That leaves the new coach to work with two of Golden's worst classes as the foundation of this team and a class of 2016 that may or may not gel back to the Swag class they were supposed to be.

Whomever it is, whether that's Butch, Herman, Gundy, whoever....they are not going to knock it out the park year 1. We messed up not firing Golden last year and it's going to have a ripple effect for the next 2 years whether we believe it or not.

 

[MIATL]

I gurantee u tho that ull b on his dk n everyone else when he starts cleaning up and winning, then all that old **** u said will mean nada. That age bullshyt is just that bullshyt, some of yall i question if ya real canes fans sometimes.

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

 

[jkaz1]

I agree that he'd do very well here again (and I'm certainly old enough to remember him in all his roles with Miami). He could easily find big-time players again. Look at the two from Louisiana that turned out to be big NFL players - Wayne and Reed. Neither was particularly gifted and neither had that many offers. But they did have qualities that allowed them to be molded into great players.

If he were hired, he'd find solid players everywhere and in some cases wouldn't have to compete with anyone - like with Reed, Wayne, Morgan, Vilma, etc....

However, since we don't have sanctions and since lots of players and their family know who he is, Butch would be able to nab legitimate 5-star players from his first year....

Duh all the OLD fans still think it's 2000, and that these former coaches are at the same level they were 15 years ago

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I'm 34, BRING BACK BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *****ES!!

24. I don't have a huge memory of what Butch did for this program, no emotional attachment towards those years Butch was here, yet I'm smart enough to realize he would absolutely kill it here again. It's that obvious.

 

[The Franchise]

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

You're right. I think the Butch guys are starting to realize he's not winning anything for a couple years at least. So they're starting to try to soft sell the expectations.

New HC needs to win the sorry *** Coastal in year one, or he failed. That's it. This isn't some rebuild or probation situation. Win the Coastal in year one, or you failed.

 

[MIATL]

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

Idont see it

in agreement w/ this post by my ninja [MENTION=1165]Dwinstitles[/MENTION]

-First off, Golden's best class here was the 2012 class. The next coach won't have that class at this disposal.
-Second, Golden's second best class was the 2013 class. Many of those guys are thinking about leaving for the draft, so there's a strong possibility they might not be here either.
-That leaves the new coach to work with two of Golden's worst classes as the foundation of this team and a class of 2016 that may or may not gel back to the Swag class they were supposed to be.

Whomever it is, whether that's Butch, Herman, Gundy, whoever....they are not going to knock it out the park year 1. We messed up not firing Golden last year and it's going to have a ripple effect for the next 2 years whether we believe it or not.

What are you talking about???

2014 Class = 12th
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2014 Team Recruiting Rankings

2nd in the ACC
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2014 Team Recruiting Rankings

2013 Class = 20th
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2013 Team Recruiting Rankings

3rd in the ACC
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2013 Team Recruiting Rankings

2015 Class = 26th
Yahoo Sports: Rivals.com 2015 Team Recruiting Rankings

4th in the ACC
http://sports.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recruiting/teamrank/2016/ACC/all


That 14 class is plenty good enough to serve as a foundation for this team!

Don't start hedging your bets now on your candidate of choice.

Golden was expected to Win or GTFO this season ...

No excuses for the next HC.

Whoever we hire better do what Tom Herman is doing with Houston ... Take an average team, and make them play much, much better!

 

[jkaz1]

Agreed. With a high-quality coach, we better win the very weak conference next year...

We do have enough talent - especially with a coach that can harden them up a bit...

After another 1-2 years, we better be in the BCS picture...

If not, then the hired coach won't have been worth the money...

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

Don't be dense. I said regardless of the coach, so meaning Butch, Herman, Fuente, Belichick, Lombardi, or Elvis, will have a rebuild so don't try and chalk it up to me hedging my bet on Butch.

Whoever we hire is going to change what we do on both sides of the ball. Scheme changes take at least a year of implementation. Michigan's defense is hitting the ground running because Harbaugh inherited a wealth of talent of to play the exact 3-4 he wants to play. The scheme isn't being changed.

If we hire a spread/Air Raid guy, that will take time to put in. If we go hire a defensive guy and go back to our usual 4-3, that will take time to put in. And everybody is trashing the soft weakened attitude that the team has right now and that will need a year to change.

And there are holes all over the team in terms of talent. The OL is in shambles. LB has a ton of problems. WR is thin. Secondary, QB, and DL are the comfortable positions. The recruiting classes that Golden brought in have clearly been neutered to a certain extent and we've discussed millions of times how the S/C has taken away some of our talent's strengths.

And you need to wake up and smell the coffee or learn how to read and direct your point at somebody else because I've been all aboard the, "UNC is a very good team," train from the beginning. And just because the other Coastal teams aren't very good on the whole doesn't mean we are by default. We are a bad team and guys like Franchise, M2H, and others have pointed out that our guys who just flat out quit and rolled over repeatedly. Attitude is harder to change than any scheme change.

We could hire Don Shula-Vince Lombardi-Jimmy Johnson-Bill Belichcik-Bill Walsh and I would still expect a one year acclimation period. The state of the program is worse than people say it is.

Year 1=Compete for the Coastal.

Year 2=WIN the ACC.

Year 3=Playoffs.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I love Butch Davis.

I love everything about Butch Davis.

I want Butch Davis to be our next head coach and to father my next child. Who we will name either Butch III or Butchadora.

 

[hickory70]

65...... what are we talking about, I forgot.

 

[pcitycane]

Duh all the OLD fans still think it's 2000, and that these former coaches are at the same level they were 15 years ago

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Bring Back Butch

 

[MIATL]

Not in year one this team needs alot of work alot of fans think we got hall of famers on this team. We dont

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

Don't be dense. I said regardless of the coach, so meaning Butch, Herman, Fuente, Belichick, Lombardi, or Elvis, will have a rebuild so don't try and chalk it up to me hedging my bet on Butch.

Whoever we hire is going to change what we do on both sides of the ball. Scheme changes take at least a year of implementation. Michigan's defense is hitting the ground running because Harbaugh inherited a wealth of talent of to play the exact 3-4 he wants to play. The scheme isn't being changed.

If we hire a spread/Air Raid guy, that will take time to put in. If we go hire a defensive guy and go back to our usual 4-3, that will take time to put in. And everybody is trashing the soft weakened attitude that the team has right now and that will need a year to change.

And there are holes all over the team in terms of talent. The OL is in shambles. LB has a ton of problems. WR is thin. Secondary, QB, and DL are the comfortable positions. The recruiting classes that Golden brought in have clearly been neutered to a certain extent and we've discussed millions of times how the S/C has taken away some of our talent's strengths.

And you need to wake up and smell the coffee or learn how to read and direct your point at somebody else because I've been all aboard the, "UNC is a very good team," train from the beginning. And just because the other Coastal teams aren't very good on the whole doesn't mean we are by default. We are a bad team and guys like Franchise, M2H, and others have pointed out that our guys who just flat out quit and rolled over repeatedly. Attitude is harder to change than any scheme change.

We could hire Don Shula-Vince Lombardi-Jimmy Johnson-Bill Belichcik-Bill Walsh and I would still expect a one year acclimation period. The state of the program is worse than people say it is.

Year 1=Compete for the Coastal.

Year 2=WIN the ACC.

Year 3=Playoffs.

I appreciate your responses.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, too.

Ohio State was 6-6 before Meyer. 12-0 his first season.

Florida Gators were 7-5 last season. 9-1 this season.

Houston Cougars were 8-5 last year, and needed a bowl win to get to 8. 10-0 this season.

Michigan was 5-7 last year. 8-2 this year.

Texas A&M was 7-6 the year before Sumlin. Went 11-2 in his first season.

Pitt was 6-7 last year. 7-3 this year.

New coaches have the element of surprise. New coaches also benefit from every player having a clean slate, and not being owed recruiting promises.

This team has enough talent to win the Coastal this season. Kaaya is a year more mature next season, OL and DL are a year older. Skill players are a year older.

This team is ready to win ... Just need the right coach!

... But if this is truly a reclamation project, then I really don't understand the interest in a 64 year old coach. Butch would be 67 years old trying to win his first title ...

And before someone tells me how old Saban is, or Bowden was ... Those guys didn't start building their program in their 60s. They were already established.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

We've got more than enough talent to win the Coastal.

Next coach better win the Coastal in Year 1. Doesn't have to make the playoffs or win the ACC, but he better win the Coastal.

I respectfully disagree.

I think that regardless of who the new coach is, there's a certain amount of rebuild required and implementing a new system and a new attitude.

Butch, Herman, Fuente, or whoever will need to make some major changes.

And 22.

Why??

At worst, this is a 6-6 football team.

I keep reading that we have a franchise QB, a top notch DL that just needs to be coached up, and quality south Florida talent at the skill positions.

Golden's recruiting classes have all been the best in the Coastal ...

Don't start hedging, now ...

The next HC better win the Coastal.

Y'all keep telling me UNC isn't really that good ... Well, who else should win it? UVA and VT will probably have new coaches. GT and Duke are terrible, again. And the Pitt HC will be in his 2nd year, still coaching Pitt classes that are worse than Miami's roster.

If the next HC doesn't win the Coastal, one of 2 things happened:

1. Some team had a dream season, and we finished number 2.

2. We hired the wrong coach. And that goes for Mullen, Gundy, Strong, Herman, or Butch.

Don't be dense. I said regardless of the coach, so meaning Butch, Herman, Fuente, Belichick, Lombardi, or Elvis, will have a rebuild so don't try and chalk it up to me hedging my bet on Butch.

Whoever we hire is going to change what we do on both sides of the ball. Scheme changes take at least a year of implementation. Michigan's defense is hitting the ground running because Harbaugh inherited a wealth of talent of to play the exact 3-4 he wants to play. The scheme isn't being changed.

If we hire a spread/Air Raid guy, that will take time to put in. If we go hire a defensive guy and go back to our usual 4-3, that will take time to put in. And everybody is trashing the soft weakened attitude that the team has right now and that will need a year to change.

And there are holes all over the team in terms of talent. The OL is in shambles. LB has a ton of problems. WR is thin. Secondary, QB, and DL are the comfortable positions. The recruiting classes that Golden brought in have clearly been neutered to a certain extent and we've discussed millions of times how the S/C has taken away some of our talent's strengths.

And you need to wake up and smell the coffee or learn how to read and direct your point at somebody else because I've been all aboard the, "UNC is a very good team," train from the beginning. And just because the other Coastal teams aren't very good on the whole doesn't mean we are by default. We are a bad team and guys like Franchise, M2H, and others have pointed out that our guys who just flat out quit and rolled over repeatedly. Attitude is harder to change than any scheme change.

We could hire Don Shula-Vince Lombardi-Jimmy Johnson-Bill Belichcik-Bill Walsh and I would still expect a one year acclimation period. The state of the program is worse than people say it is.

Year 1=Compete for the Coastal.

Year 2=WIN the ACC.

Year 3=Playoffs.

I appreciate your responses.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this, too.

Ohio State was 6-6 before Meyer. 12-0 his first season.

Florida Gators were 7-5 last season. 9-1 this season.

Houston Cougars were 8-5 last year, and needed a bowl win to get to 8. 10-0 this season.

Michigan was 5-7 last year. 8-2 this year.

Texas A&M was 7-6 the year before Sumlin. Went 11-2 in his first season.

Pitt was 6-7 last year. 7-3 this year.

New coaches have the element of surprise. New coaches also benefit from every player having a clean slate, and not being owed recruiting promises.

This team has enough talent to win the Coastal this season. Kaaya is a year more mature next season, OL and DL are a year older. Skill players are a year older.

This team is ready to win ... Just need the right coach!

... But if this is truly a reclamation project, then I really don't understand the interest in a 64 year old coach. Butch would be 67 years old trying to win his first title ...

And before someone tells me how old Saban is, or Bowden was ... Those guys didn't start building their program in their 60s. They were already established.

I appreciate your responses as well.

Ohio State went 12-1 the year before they went 6-6 and they hired a respected football genius who's beyond established. Their talent was 12 win good not long before.

Florida's pulled in great recruiting classes before but even I'm impressed that they turned the corner this quickly considering who they play. They've always played great defense under Muschamp and these are still his guys so I would argue that McElwain is benefiting from that.

Houston wasn't exactly a dumpster fire last year but Herman has them just playing at another level and I could make a compelling argument that the AAC is better than the Pac-12 and maybe the ACC. That example backs up your case the best and as much as I love Butch quick rebuilds aren't his strong suit and Herman may very well come in and bomb but his ceiling in Year 1 is the highest.

Harbaugh walked into the perfect situation for himself. The roster is full of 3-4 defensive talent so there's no scheme change. If his QB was a bluechip like he has coming in they'd be destroying people.

Sumlin took over a roster filled of exactly the players needed for his offense but I'm shocked that he won 11 in Year 1. That's extremely impressive.

I'll hold off on Pittsburgh until the end of the season but if they win out, that's an excellent coaching job for a good fit roster but nonetheless.

We've talked about fit on this board and the talent numerous times. Golden brought in a bunch of skilled players and misused them grossly while taking away their strengths via his S/C program. Couple that with the soft, weak attitude that they were indoctrinated with and that's a rebuild in its own right. It takes more time to change an entire mentality than even a scheme and our mentality is terrible. I just don't believe that ANY coach can come in and change something that drastic. Saban took over a 6-7 team at Alabama that was talented and went 7-6 his first year. Jimmy Johnson went 8-5 after taking over the national champion and the reason being because of scheme and philosophical differences weight he remaining staff so that does matter immensely. Urban Meyer took over a 7-5 Florida team and went 9-3 the following year with maybe the most talented team in college. And then you got bad coaches like Coker as a passenger for the best team of all time. There's tons of shades of grey to the first year-quality of the coach argument.

I'm not trying to give the next guy a decade to win the Coastal. My argument is that with the spread of talent on the team and the state of the team mentality it isn't a quick fix at this junction with the changes that will need to be made. Plus with Pittsburgh and North Carolina apparently on the path to being consistently good teams, the first year is going to be tougher as we have first year growing pains for a new guy.

I can appreciate your optimism for the team to win next year and I agree that we do need the right coach but a decade and a half of being that situation had made me gun shy into thinking that it can happen in one year under a new coach who needs to make drastic changes.

Let's be real about Butch. His pros are recruiting, talent evaluation, and talent development. He's drawbacks are gameday coaching, time management, and conservative philosophies. He's my first choice but I'd hardly think we should burn the program down if Herman or somebody else comes along. The grey area on Butch is his coordinator and assistant hires. He built a superstar staff at Miami but then built a questionable staff at North Carolina. For John Shoop, he had Everett Withers. Butch's success on a second run would hinge on his staff selections. Since we're going to spend money this go around and Dorsey would be his OC, I'd think he'd build another great staff. We can all admit that Butch isn't some guy in a history book that the current players and coaches in high school have never heard of. The reclamation project I think it is Butch could handle it despite his age because he would pull the guys he wants and change the mentality. Saban and Bowden were already established and did have to build their programs but I'm arguing Butch is, "established," in a sense.

Would he be successful at Miami again? I think so but I can see how he'd also have us stuck in a 9 win purgatory. If he built another staff like before, we'd be dominant again. That being said, bring on Tom Herman if he's there.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Duh all the OLD fans still think it's 2000, and that these former coaches are at the same level they were 15 years ago

.

I gurantee u tho that ull b on his dk n everyone else when he starts cleaning up and winning, then all that old **** u said will mean nada. That age bullshyt is just that bullshyt, some of yall i question if ya real canes fans sometimes.

I'll support whoever we hire, including Butch.

But when he can't recreate 1999, I won't be shocked.

Why would you want to recreate 99? We were 9-4. I like the idea of Butch because these goofballs at UM are capable of hiring so!some like Strong, Cristoballs or Shciano. I don't see these idiots pitching Patterson or Gundy. Chip Kelly isn't coming to work for this dyckdag administration either. Butch isn't Saban or Meyer or Patterson but you know what you get with him. Great recruiting, great talent evaluations, development of players, nasty defense, work ethic, mental toughness and line play. Pair him with a genius OC and let's get to work.