Coach D'onofrio and Recruiting.... what is he doing?

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

Couldn't the great defense of guru coach D get a couple of 3 and outs when we turn the ball over?

No chance when Wake Forest is MOVING THE BALL AT WILL.

I know, embarrassing that the 114 ranked offense did that to us.

Could you imagine if WF actually had success that day? I mean we would be screwed. Thank GOB that WF only wanted to score 21 points.

Well they average 19 points per game and the best defense they faced all year was Clemson and they held them to 7 points. I know crazy that a defense could do that to Wake's explosive offense. They made Wake's offense punt 10 times, crazy.

 

[Consigliere]

Couldn't the great defense of guru coach D get a couple of 3 and outs when we turn the ball over?

No chance when Wake Forest is MOVING THE BALL AT WILL.

I know, embarrassing that the 114 ranked offense did that to us.

Could you imagine if WF actually had success that day? I mean we would be screwed. Thank GOB that WF only wanted to score 21 points.

Well they average 19 points per game and the best defense they faced all year was Clemson and they held them to 7 points. I know crazy that a defense could do that to Wake's explosive offense. They made Wake's offense punt 10 times, crazy.

But But But

And Clemson held FSU to 51 points at home. Our Defense must be better than Clemson.

 

[I'm Hurt Dawg]

No chance when Wake Forest is MOVING THE BALL AT WILL.

I know, embarrassing that the 114 ranked offense did that to us.

Could you imagine if WF actually had success that day? I mean we would be screwed. Thank GOB that WF only wanted to score 21 points.

Well they average 19 points per game and the best defense they faced all year was Clemson and they held them to 7 points. I know crazy that a defense could do that to Wake's explosive offense. They made Wake's offense punt 10 times, crazy.

But But But

And Clemson held FSU to 51 points at home. Our Defense must be better than Clemson.

Actually 43 and Jimbo called off the dogs against us.

 

[252cane]

1 thing from the O is more 3rd down conversions. 1 from the D is be more aggressive with the corners. When howard was i man coverage vs green he didn't catch a pass, the 2 or 3 catches he had all came in zone.

 

[Consigliere]

I know, embarrassing that the 114 ranked offense did that to us.

Could you imagine if WF actually had success that day? I mean we would be screwed. Thank GOB that WF only wanted to score 21 points.

Well they average 19 points per game and the best defense they faced all year was Clemson and they held them to 7 points. I know crazy that a defense could do that to Wake's explosive offense. They made Wake's offense punt 10 times, crazy.

But But But

And Clemson held FSU to 51 points at home. Our Defense must be better than Clemson.

Actually 43 and Jimbo called off the dogs against us.

Yes, they called off the dogs by kicking a FG with 1 minute left in the game. That is calling off the dogs!!!

Actually it was 44 and it was at CLEMSON, FSU scored a TD off a Fumble (51-7 = 44).

 

[Consigliere]

1 thing from the O is more 3rd down conversions. 1 from the D is be more aggressive with the corners. When howard was i man coverage vs green he didn't catch a pass, the 2 or 3 catches he had all came in zone.

So the one thing you would want is more 3rd down conversions on offense?

The one thing I would want would be to score more points.

On defense, you want to be more aggressive with the corners?

The one thing I would want would be to allow less points.

 

[zone3cane]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

 

[Consigliere]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

Couldn't agree more. I know some care most about 3rd downs, I was wrong to want my offense to score points and my defense to not allow points. I should have been focusing more on 3rd Down. That is a big shame on me, I am sorry. Points don't determine the game, 3rd downs do.

 

[drifters1234]

All we can do is go by the information that is available to us.

According to 247 D'ohno is given credit for the commitment of Nick Linder. His remaining top target that isn't currently committed is Anthony Moten.

Some other top targets that he was the primary recruiter for that are committed elsewhere are: Jabrill Peppers, Corey Holmes, Chris Lammons, Kiy Hester, Ravian Pierce and Marquese Dudley-Gordon

http://247sports.com/Coach/Mark-DOnofrio-1094

James Coley on the other hand has the following commitments credited to him: Bethel, Rosier, Trayone Gray, Kayaa and Yearby. Those are the prospects that he was the primary recruiter for. It does not include prospects for which he was their secondary recruiter (Chad Thomas the only one committed he's credited with being secondary).

http://247sports.com/Coach/James-Coley-36

For those saying coordinators aren't heavy in the recruiting game:

FSU DC, Jeremy Pruitt: http://247sports.com/Coach/Jeremy-Pruitt-267

Auburn co-OC, Dameyune Craig: http://247sports.com/Coach/Dameyune-Craig-37

Alabama OC, Doug Nussmeier: http://247sports.com/Coach/Doug-Nussmeier-762

Georgia OC, Mike Bobo: http://247sports.com/Coach/Mike-Bobo-67

Alabma DC, Kirby Smart: http://247sports.com/Coach/Kirby-Smart-264

Notre Dame DC, Bob Diaco: http://247sports.com/Coach/Bob-Diaco-208

Texas A&M OC, Clarence McKinney: http://247sports.com/Coach/Clarence-McKinney-669

Maryland OC, Mike Locksley: http://247sports.com/Coach/Mike-Locksley-813

All ranked nationally top 30 for recruiters according to 247. I'm not sure how accurate and up-to-date this information is, but it's all I have to go on. Don't tell me coordinators aren't heavily involved or relied upon in recruiting, because they are...if they're good at it.

I rarely agree with Zone, but recruiting does appear to be a reasonable area to criticize Donofrio, at least with the info we have.

 

[zone3cane]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

Couldn't agree more. I know some care most about 3rd downs, I was wrong to want my offense to score points and my defense to not allow points. I should have been focusing more on 3rd Down. That is a big shame on me, I am sorry. Points don't determine the game, 3rd downs do.

Ur still clueless as usual.... guess what 11-15 on 3rd down conversions mean? The offense is on the bench for 2/3 of the game.... let's break it down some more. What cant happen if ur offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game???.... get on the field and try and score points right? get it, probably not.... lets see if we can keep going.

So once an offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game, what's happening w/ the offense, they lose rhythm also more pressue is being put on them to execute perfectly that 1 or 2 drives they may have an opportunity to get on the field for..... is that realistic? to say that an offense cant make any mistakes, give up any sacks, be perfect on every 3rd down, hit every target, running back break every tackle b/c they wont be able to get back on the field if they dont?

It's not..... has it sunk in yet? the offense isnt going to score a TD every time, Kicker missed a FG etc, that doesnt mean they didnt do a good job moving the ball up the field... when you cant get on the field except every time FSU scores a TD it's over. The defense has failed this offense for most of the year.

The offense and the schedule is more of a reason why Miami is 7-1 then this defense by far even w/ a 1st year OC, Morris hurt, 2 top receivers out, and now Duke out.

 

[Consigliere]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

Couldn't agree more. I know some care most about 3rd downs, I was wrong to want my offense to score points and my defense to not allow points. I should have been focusing more on 3rd Down. That is a big shame on me, I am sorry. Points don't determine the game, 3rd downs do.

Ur still clueless as usual.... guess what 11-15 on 3rd down conversions mean? The offense is on the bench for 2/3 of the game.... let's break it down some more. What cant happen if ur offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game???.... get on the field and try and score points right? get it, probably not.... lets see if we can keep going.

So once an offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game, what's happening w/ the offense, they lose rhythm also more pressue is being put on them to execute perfectly that 1 or 2 drives they may have an opportunity to get on the field for..... is that realistic? to say that an offense cant make any mistakes, give up any sacks, be perfect on every 3rd down, hit every target, running back break every tackle b/c they wont be able to get back on the field if they dont?

It's not..... has it sunk in yet? the offense isnt going to score a TD every time, Kicker missed a FG etc, that doesnt mean they didnt do a good job moving the ball up the field... when you cant get on the field except every time FSU scores a TD it's over. The defense has failed this offense for most of the year.

The offense and the schedule is more of a reason why Miami is 7-1 then this defense by far even w/ a 1st year OC, Morris hurt, 2 top receivers out, and now Duke out.

I agreed with you. Why do you insult me when I agree with you?

3rd Down Conversion (Offense and Defenses) is more important than points. I agree!

 

[Consigliere]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

D-Money or Admins,

Can we pin this to the top of the board so other people will know?

Appreciated.

 

[zone3cane]

what's Coach "Ds" excuse?..... lack of talent lol yeah right, what has he been able to do to help bring in talent??? He cant recruit so its a double ****ed.

 

[Plzwork4]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

Couldn't agree more. I know some care most about 3rd downs, I was wrong to want my offense to score points and my defense to not allow points. I should have been focusing more on 3rd Down. That is a big shame on me, I am sorry. Points don't determine the game, 3rd downs do.

LULZ...sorry I cant help it. Just reading thru today's convo and please stop slayin these dudes.

 

[252cane]

Consigliere you are not making sense. You want more points but you can't score a lot if you are not converting 3rd downs. You can't hit homeruns every play. You want the D to give up less points but is okay with giving up 400+ yards. The more yards you give up means the O will score and have chances to score. You want less points but is okay with d'onofrio in 3rd& 5 or 6 situations playing 10-15 yards off and giving up 1st downs instead of giving the DBs a chance to break up the play or force a to. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[zone3cane]

3rd down defense effects an offense more then offensive turnovers effect a defense..... w/ that said D'onofrio has been more of a handicap for our offense then Morris, James Coley, or any other player/coach you all want to say isnt good enough.

Couldn't agree more. I know some care most about 3rd downs, I was wrong to want my offense to score points and my defense to not allow points. I should have been focusing more on 3rd Down. That is a big shame on me, I am sorry. Points don't determine the game, 3rd downs do.

Ur still clueless as usual.... guess what 11-15 on 3rd down conversions mean? The offense is on the bench for 2/3 of the game.... let's break it down some more. What cant happen if ur offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game???.... get on the field and try and score points right? get it, probably not.... lets see if we can keep going.

So once an offense is on the bench for 2/3 of a game, what's happening w/ the offense, they lose rhythm also more pressue is being put on them to execute perfectly that 1 or 2 drives they may have an opportunity to get on the field for..... is that realistic? to say that an offense cant make any mistakes, give up any sacks, be perfect on every 3rd down, hit every target, running back break every tackle b/c they wont be able to get back on the field if they dont?

It's not..... has it sunk in yet? the offense isnt going to score a TD every time, Kicker missed a FG etc, that doesnt mean they didnt do a good job moving the ball up the field... when you cant get on the field except every time FSU scores a TD it's over. The defense has failed this offense for most of the year.

The offense and the schedule is more of a reason why Miami is 7-1 then this defense by far even w/ a 1st year OC, Morris hurt, 2 top receivers out, and now Duke out.

I agreed with you. Why do you insult me when I agree with you?

3rd Down Conversion (Offense and Defenses) is more important than points. I agree!

still dont get it smh

 

[zone3cane]

Consigliere you are not making sense. You want more points but you can't score a lot if you are not converting 3rd downs. You can't hit homeruns every play. You want the D to give up less points but is okay with giving up 400+ yards. The more yards you give up means the O will score and have chances to score. You want less points but is okay with d'onofrio in 3rd& 5 or 6 situations playing 10-15 yards off and giving up 1st downs instead of giving the DBs a chance to break up the play or force a to. Makes a lot of sense.

Consigliere and who ever keeps sucking off D'onofrio and "HIS" defense are clueless that's the only thing it could be at this point.

 

[Plzwork4]

Consigliere you are not making sense. You want more points but you can't score a lot if you are not converting 3rd downs. You can't hit homeruns every play. You want the D to give up less points but is okay with giving up 400+ yards. The more yards you give up means the O will score and have chances to score. You want less points but is okay with d'onofrio in 3rd& 5 or 6 situations playing 10-15 yards off and giving up 1st downs instead of giving the DBs a chance to break up the play or force a to. Makes a lot of sense.

You're on some serious **** when you watch the games. I'm not asking...just making a general statement.

 

[zone3cane]

Ppl who see football games the way Plzwork does are just the everyday clueless fans who only see the shallow side of the game....

"uh booh the offense they couldnt score a TD on that drive they suck" typical clueless fan reactions.

When ppl w/ real football IQ know that when they see a garbage defense on the field 2/3 of a game and wonders why most of the quarter has came and went and the offense still isnt on the field yet would know that it seems that the defense is more of a problem then anything else on this team.

I'm not surprised b/c most internet fans on messageboards are mostly part of the clueless everyday football fans.

 

[Consigliere]

Consigliere you are not making sense. You want more points but you can't score a lot if you are not converting 3rd downs. You can't hit homeruns every play. You want the D to give up less points but is okay with giving up 400+ yards. The more yards you give up means the O will score and have chances to score. You want less points but is okay with d'onofrio in 3rd& 5 or 6 situations playing 10-15 yards off and giving up 1st downs instead of giving the DBs a chance to break up the play or force a to. Makes a lot of sense.

I am so mistaken. You are so correct. I asked you for one thing you wanted from our offense and defense. You said 3rd Down Completion %.

I said points (offense to score more and defense to allow less).

I am sorry. I will move on for wanting the bold above. I will only care about 3rd Down Completion Percentage, here is my proof.

Dear President Mark Emmert,

It has recently come to my attention that games should not be determined by the actual score but by how well a team does on 3rd down. I know the Miami Hurricanes are 7-1 but I ask you to recalculate our record based on the information below.

Against FAU, even though the score was 34-6.

FAU: 6-19 (32%) on 3rd Down
UM: 4-14 (29%) on 3rd Down

FAU wins

Against UF, even though the score was 21-16

UF: 6-15 (40%) on 3rd Down
UM: 1-11 (9%) on 3rd Down

UF wins

Against WF, even though the score was 24-21

WF: 8-16 (50%) on 3rd Down
UM: 6-13 (46%) on 3rd Down

WF wins

Our record should be 4-4 and not 7-1. Please take this into consideration and modify our record accordingly.

Thanks,

Consigliere