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Let me preface this by saying I enjoy Dabo tears and root for stadium collapses up there.

What is the deal up there? Internal turmoil? Did Dabo teabag a baby?

Bizarre stuff
 
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Most programs have a downturn unless you’re Alabama at this point. They missed on the DJ eval even though he did look great freshman year.

They still won 10 games and they’ll likely win 11 next year. Very hard to replace back to back elite elite QBs even when recruiting to their level. He also had amazing staff continuity
 
Costy21 said:
Most programs have a downturn unless you’re Alabama at this point. They missed on the DJ eval even though he did look great freshman year.

They still won 10 games and they’ll likely win 11 next year. Very hard to replace back to back elite elite QBs even when recruiting to their level. He also had amazing staff continuity
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All of this. The constant hits at QB (Boyd -> Watson -> Lawrence is a decade of top tier QB play) + almost a decade of Venables = long term success. They've recruited really well so that's obviously a huge part as well but they're not at the same level as Bama and UGA.

Despite all of the craziness in the last 6 months for Clemson...they still won 10 games. Insane.

But I do believe this is the beginning of their downfall. Dabo lost a ton of coaching talent over the last few months and I don't think he's done enough to replace it. He's promoted from within as opposed to going out and reloading. I think Brandon Streeter and the offense will eventually figure it out but the loss of Venables cannot be overstated.

It's too early to tell if this was a stubborn move made out of an overconfidence and belief in his systems or genius move because he's truly built an immovable foundation that will churn out success as long as Dabo is there.

I think we'll find out rather quickly next year. I could just as easily see them struggle and end with 7-5 type season as I could see them get back on top and win 11 + ACC Champs. Will be a big storyline for ACC no doubt. I predict they come back down to earth. Still a great team but nowhere near as dominant.
 
They won 10 games which for them is a down year which is pretty wild

Also the DC and OC both got promoted to be HC at power 5 programs and naturally took a few ppl with them. It's not like they left for lateral positions
 
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Gi0logy said:
All of this. The constant hits at QB (Boyd -> Watson -> Lawrence is a decade of top tier QB play) + almost a decade of Venables = long term success. They've recruited really well so that's obviously a huge part as well but they're not at the same level as Bama and UGA.

Despite all of the craziness in the last 6 months for Clemson...they still won 10 games. Insane.

But I do believe this is the beginning of their downfall. Dabo lost a ton of coaching talent over the last few months and I don't think he's done enough to replace it. He's promoted from within as opposed to going out and reloading. I think Brandon Streeter and the offense will eventually figure it out but the loss of Venables cannot be overstated.

It's too early to tell if this was a stubborn move made out of an overconfidence and belief in his systems or genius move because he's truly built an immovable foundation that will churn out success as long as Dabo is there.

I think we'll find out rather quickly next year. I could just as easily see them struggle and end with 7-5 type season as I could see them get back on top and win 11 + ACC Champs. Will be a big storyline for ACC no doubt. I predict they come back down to earth. Still a great team but nowhere near as dominant.
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Same thing that plagued us 20 years ago, promoting from within. A program needs new blood after so long. Clemson reminded me of 2003 Miami, great defense and horrible offense. There were cracks in the armor last season for them. They will still be a tough out this coming year as they have plenty of talent but the aura of invincibility is gone.
 
Costy21 said:
Most programs have a downturn unless you’re Alabama at this point. They missed on the DJ eval even though he did look great freshman year.

They still won 10 games and they’ll likely win 11 next year. Very hard to replace back to back elite elite QBs even when recruiting to their level. He also had amazing staff continuity
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Dabo absolutely hates the transfer portal as well as NIL

He's classic narcissist. His way or no way, type of guy. He battled with that early on in his head coach tenure at Clemson, because of his history as a walk on. For some reason he thought he didn't have to have the elite recruits...you know, just give me the kids with heart, mentality. He finally adjusted and also convinced the school to spend boat loads of money...and of course we see the results.

I'm not sure if he's going to embrace the major changes in college football, or not, but right now, that's what's going on there.
 
They won ten games, but it wasn't even close to previous years of 11-12 dominating wins because most of their games were close. In fact, six of their wins were by 7 points or less. A 7th, 10 point win against FSU was really a 3 point win, but FSU tried a scramble drill on the kickoff with only seconds left in the game where they fumbled and Clemson got a scoop & score as the clock ran out.

So, in reality, that's 7 games won by 1 score. If not for their defense, they were probably a 7-5 team.
 
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They had a down year. Tons of injuries. Bad QB play, but their WRs especially couldn't stay healthy including our own Frank Ladson.

Joseph Ngata is the other talented WR hurt.

Their best DL Bryan Breese went out game 3-4 for the rest of the season with ACL. Their leader and arguably best OL tore his ACL I think game 5. They lost a starting safety before season started for year.

Anyways with injuries they lost 10-3 to UGA which by far was UGA toughest game until SEC title game. They lost @Pittsburgh and lost in 2OT at Nc State. They return a ton, and if they got good QB play next year could be back in playoffs. If they don't get better QB play, probably 10-2 type team that still should win ACC.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
They won ten games, but it wasn't even close to previous years of 11-12 dominating wins because most of their games were close. In fact, six of their wins were by 7 points or less. A 7th, 10 point win against FSU was really a 3 point win, but FSU tried a scramble drill on the kickoff with only seconds left in the game where they fumbled and Clemson got a scoop & score as the clock ran out.

So, in reality, that's 7 games won by 1 score. If not for their defense, they were probably a 7-5 team.
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There is a Phil Steele stat that I’ve used for o/u win totals. “Net close wins” (or losses)

If a team has 2 or more net close wins (defined as 1 score or less) vs close losses, they tend to have the same or worse record the following season, around 80% of the time I think. The average gets worse with the more net close wins they have.

Clemson was +3 in net close wins last year.

Obviously they missed badly on DJ, but losing Venables is the biggest long-term blow. We’re talking about probably the best DC in the game and they had him for 10 seasons.

So losing the coaches, Promoting Internally and as already mentioned Dabo isn’t a fan of using the portal AND a they have under-signed on their recruiting classes.

They’re still the most talented team in the conference and the roster counts for a lot, but Looking at their schedule, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that they’ll improve this year.
 
Gi0logy said:
All of this. The constant hits at QB (Boyd -> Watson -> Lawrence is a decade of top tier QB play) + almost a decade of Venables = long term success. They've recruited really well so that's obviously a huge part as well but they're not at the same level as Bama and UGA.

Despite all of the craziness in the last 6 months for Clemson...they still won 10 games. Insane.

But I do believe this is the beginning of their downfall. Dabo lost a ton of coaching talent over the last few months and I don't think he's done enough to replace it. He's promoted from within as opposed to going out and reloading. I think Brandon Streeter and the offense will eventually figure it out but the loss of Venables cannot be overstated.

It's too early to tell if this was a stubborn move made out of an overconfidence and belief in his systems or genius move because he's truly built an immovable foundation that will churn out success as long as Dabo is there.

I think we'll find out rather quickly next year. I could just as easily see them struggle and end with 7-5 type season as I could see them get back on top and win 11 + ACC Champs. Will be a big storyline for ACC no doubt. I predict they come back down to earth. Still a great team but nowhere near as dominant.
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I’m sure your fantasy is for them to win 7 but they have too much talent to only win 7 games. They return arguably the best DL in CFb. DJ is not a good qb but this team can still be a regular 9-10 win team.
 
Costy21 said:
Most programs have a downturn unless you’re Alabama at this point. They missed on the DJ eval even though he did look great freshman year.

They still won 10 games and they’ll likely win 11 next year. Very hard to replace back to back elite elite QBs even when recruiting to their level. He also had amazing staff continuity
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Bama will have a downturn. EVERYTHING cycles to the mean at some point.

EVERYTHING.
 
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CaneMutiny06 said:
There is a Phil Steele stat that I’ve used for o/u win totals. “Net close wins” (or losses)

If a team has 2 or more net close wins (defined as 1 score or less) vs close losses, they tend to have the same or worse record the following season, around 80% of the time I think. The average gets worse with the more net close wins they have.

Clemson was +3 in net close wins last year.

Obviously they missed badly on DJ, but losing Venables is the biggest long-term blow. We’re talking about probably the best DC in the game and they had him for 10 seasons.

So losing the coaches, Promoting Internally and as already mentioned Dabo isn’t a fan of using the portal AND a they have under-signed on their recruiting classes.

They’re still the most talented team in the conference and the roster counts for a lot, but Looking at their schedule, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that they’ll improve this year.
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Interesting use of "net close".

Could apply it to our Hurricanes from 2017-2018.

I always go back to the W over UVA at Hard Rock under Richt. That W became a very bad omen for all the Ls afterwards.
 
Somehow Dabo convinced Xavier Thomas to return for his 5th year. They will have Thomas, Myles Murphy, Brian Breese, and Tyler Davis on their defense next season... Their roster is light in a number of positions , though, and they have to hope Klubnik comes in and takes the QB position with authority.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
Bama will have a downturn. EVERYTHING cycles to the mean at some point.

EVERYTHING.
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TAMU has a chance if they find a QB because this class in a year or two will be elite. I just think Saban is willing to adapt and because of that & the financial commitment he will always have the edge over the SEC.

Think about what it took to topple him. 19 5 stars. Or Clemson with generational QB play.
 
The reports on their demise are premature. They won 10 games and this very board still has them as a loss for us next year.
 
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