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monkey1371 said:
As far as Clemson I have to disagree, Clemson was a brand name. 1980's they were a top program under Danny Ford, they won a national title.
1981 Clemson 12–0 (National Champions)
1982 Clemson 9–1–1
1983 Clemson 9–1–1
1984 Clemson 7–4
1985 Clemson 6–6
1986 Clemson 8–2–2
1987 Clemson 10–2
1988 Clemson 10–2
1989 Clemson 10–2

Their pedigree was no different than UGA, LSU, Auburn. Remember UGA went 17 years after Herschel Walker without a Top 10 finish before Richt went 13-1. Same with mighty Texas that went from 1983 to Mack Browns 4th year 2001. We knocked the only decent Texas team for 18 years from #3 to outside the top 10 with the 46-3 Cotton Bowl. LSU and Auburn are 2000's successful teams.

As far as Diaz......Every coach gets a pass year 1. Saban lost to ULM at Bama year 1. Stoops, Carroll, Tressell, Meyer, Saban all only won between 6-8 games.

This program based upon the weak division they play in, the simple fact that they play 9-10 teams every year that they out recruit by at least 10 spots on average(excluding this current year), should win 10+ games every year and the coastal at least 4 out of 5 years. Yes the occasional year when you get Clemson and a Good FSU as your cross-over games and the cycle is in a rebuild you might go 10-2 and not win the coastal. But you should also have the reverse, when the classes line up and you are senior heavy they should be 11-1 and challenging for a playoff spot and clemson for the ACC title.
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**** off with that tired narrative.

No, we're not playing the NFC South, but the ACC Coastal is a good division (the ACC is a really good conference). You're challenged every week.

Yes, we should be winning the ACC Coastal (and 10 games) by default because we're ******* Miami, but that doesn't mean the division is weak. We call it weak, yet we've only won it once in 15 years - that's because we've never played to our potential since we left the Big East. That to me says it's a competitive division.
 
NY Shyne said:
They’re taking PED’s out the ***
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I mean let's be honest.

Clemson are just as dirty as Alabama. They have a huge staff payroll, they drop bags with abandon and their kids are juicing. Not to mention their HC is an 'aw shucks' scumbag too.

They've done amazingly well to get away with it, but fair play to them. It's a dirty game.
 
OldhamA said:
**** off with that tired narrative.

No, we're not playing the NFC South, but the ACC Coastal is a good division (the ACC is a really good conference). You're challenged every week.

Yes, we should be winning the ACC Coastal (and 10 games) by default because we're ******* Miami, but that doesn't mean the division is weak. We call it weak, yet we've only won it once in 15 years - that's because we've never played to our potential since we left the Big East. That to me says it's a competitive division.
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**** off with your soft bigotry of low expectations. I'm sorry you are tired of the narrative....but it 100% ******* accurate. The ACC(outside of Clemson) was hot garbage this year. Our division was hot garbage. 2 Years ago the ACC was the best conference in the country but has stepped back each of the last 2 years.

Competitive because some teams are underachieving does not mean it isn't weak....IT'S WEAK.
 
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