Clappy

[Port Knox]

Pulling for him and UTSA. He built that program from the ground up. He's got some talent there. Sloppy play cost them the Arizona game. Kansas State today. Go get em coach!

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

 

[AustinCane86]

Butch resigned

 

[BoroCane83]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

So your point? We shouldn't want the coach fired?

Even Clappy and Radio didn't give us our statistically worse teams ever.

 

[Port Knox]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

Meant to up vote. My bad.

 

[ncncanes]

While I would be happy to see Coker win - hiring him as the HC is one of the reasons we are a below average team today (Al being the biggest reason)
- In 2000 any idiot AD could see we were on the verge of greatness and had a massive brand that needed to be built on
- And we hired a guy with little to no head coaching experience, had very little personality, wasnt known as a great game day coach and an average recruiter at best

All of our problems started with this hire...... Yes Randy and Al didnt change the direction of the program but the downward slide was when Coker was made HC

 

[Port Knox]

The players vouched for him because they were comfortable with him, and they the the inmates control the asylum. Next thing you know we're were swinging helmets and crutches on national TV and had players getting murdered. I like Coker, he was just in way over his head here.

 

[weownfsu]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

Who said it "necessarily" leads to better things? Are you trying to say Coker shouldn't have been fired because we might not have gotten the right replacement?

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

Who said it "necessarily" leads to better things? Are you trying to say Coker shouldn't have been fired because we might not have gotten the right replacement?

I'm saying that things could always be worse. We're living with that reality right now. Things are worse today than they ever were under Larry Coker. The Butch Davis example is even more glaring. Everyone wanted Butch fired, but now everyone wants Butch to come back and do what he did when everyone wanted him fired.

 

[Klamalama]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

Who said it "necessarily" leads to better things? Are you trying to say Coker shouldn't have been fired because we might not have gotten the right replacement?

I'm saying that things could always be worse. We're living with that reality right now. Things are worse today than they ever were under Larry Coker. The Butch Davis example is even more glaring. Everyone wanted Butch fired, but now everyone wants Butch to come back and do what he did when everyone wanted him fired.

Queenie, let's stop saying that EVERYONE wanted Butch fired. I, for one, still supported him even after the Syracuse/McNabb debacle. The assemblage of talent was becoming obvious. UCLA showed our potential.

By the way, I'll freely acknowledge that Butch's game day coaching was poor. He'll need a good OC when he returns to the Canes.

When my son got his offer from Miami (for music) we were on probation. But I liked what Butch was doing. I told him that by the time he graduated, the Canes would play for an NC. That turned out well.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Queenie, let's stop saying that EVERYONE wanted Butch fired. I, for one, still supported him even after the Syracuse/McNabb debacle. The assemblage of talent was becoming obvious. UCLA showed our potential.

By the way, I'll freely acknowledge that Butch's game day coaching was poor. He'll need a good OC when he returns to the Canes.

Of course. Now we can't find anyone who wanted him fired. No one takes credit for the banner, and everyone knew all along that he was dealing with sanctions and was building a monster.

 

[Klamalama]

Queenie, let's stop saying that EVERYONE wanted Butch fired. I, for one, still supported him even after the Syracuse/McNabb debacle. The assemblage of talent was becoming obvious. UCLA showed our potential.

By the way, I'll freely acknowledge that Butch's game day coaching was poor. He'll need a good OC when he returns to the Canes.

Of course. Now we can't find anyone who wanted him fired. No one takes credit for the banner, and everyone knew all along that he was dealing with sanctions and was building a monster.

Come on, CIS wasn't around then. It was all Grassy. Some of the Butch banner people have fessed up. However, they were right in demanding more than Butch was then delivering.

 

[Dingaan1828]

If a guy needs to be fired, you fire him. Who you replace him with is a separate issue.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Good Lord, this should not have to be explained. Coker deserved to be fired just like Shannon deserved to be fired and Golden deserves to be fired. Unless of course you are content with 6 - 6 seasons and no ACC championships. The problem is that they keep f*cking up the coaching search.

 

[weownfsu]

Clappy, like Butch, is an example of how the "fire the coach" mob mentality doesn't necessarily lead to better things. 2000-2004 was a pretty good run, but we wanted those guys fired and ended up with 6-7.

Who said it "necessarily" leads to better things? Are you trying to say Coker shouldn't have been fired because we might not have gotten the right replacement?

I'm saying that things could always be worse. We're living with that reality right now. Things are worse today than they ever were under Larry Coker. The Butch Davis example is even more glaring. Everyone wanted Butch fired, but now everyone wants Butch to come back and do what he did when everyone wanted him fired.

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[ramcanes]

While I would be happy to see Coker win - hiring him as the HC is one of the reasons we are a below average team today (Al being the biggest reason)
- In 2000 any idiot AD could see we were on the verge of greatness and had a massive brand that needed to be built on
- And we hired a guy with little to no head coaching experience, had very little personality, wasnt known as a great game day coach and an average recruiter at best

All of our problems started with this hire...... Yes Randy and Al didnt change the direction of the program but the downward slide was when Coker was made HC

Spot on !

 

[Canedog]

Howard said firing Clappy was a mistake and in hindsight keeping Clappy at least another year would have been better than making the wrong hire in Shammon. Clappy, Shammon, and Golden, wow.

 

[Soul Cane]

Queenie, let's stop saying that EVERYONE wanted Butch fired. I, for one, still supported him even after the Syracuse/McNabb debacle. The assemblage of talent was becoming obvious. UCLA showed our potential.

By the way, I'll freely acknowledge that Butch's game day coaching was poor. He'll need a good OC when he returns to the Canes.

Of course. Now we can't find anyone who wanted him fired. No one takes credit for the banner, and everyone knew all along that he was dealing with sanctions and was building a monster.

Sigma Alpha Mu fraternity is the one who flew the banner. Those dorks didn't represent the entire Canes fan base.

There were plenty of fans, including myself, who weren't clammoring for firing Butch. I had 100% confidence that with the talent Davis was accumulating, it was only a matter of time before we returned to the top 10. Lot of fans were disappointed in some of the losses in the late 90s, it was nothing like the ***** storm we're seeing nowadays. And there was always a light in the tunnel during Butch's reign because player development actually existed back then.

 

[Soul Cane]

Howard said firing Clappy was a mistake and in hindsight keeping Clappy at least another year would have been better than making the wrong hire in Shammon. Clappy, Shammon, and Golden, wow.

Coker deserved to be fired. The 2006 season was a disaster and things were getting worse and worse around the program. The OC and QB coach weren't even talking to each other during the season. Coaches and players just didn't respect Coker. Larry should never have been hired as a HC of a major college football program.

But yes, hiring Coker's right hand man was a disastrous move as well.

 

[QueenOfSpades]

Sigma Alpha Mu fraternity is the one who flew the banner. Those dorks didn't represent the entire Canes fan base.

There were plenty of fans, including myself, who weren't clammoring for firing Butch. I had 100% confidence that with the talent Davis was accumulating, it was only a matter of time before we returned to the top 10. Lot of fans were disappointed in some of the losses in the late 90s, it was nothing like the ***** storm we're seeing nowadays. And there was always a light in the tunnel during Butch's reign because player development actually existed back then.

Please. Anyone who supported Butch was shouted down. Freckles? Botch? Those weren't frat boys saying that.

And I'm glad we can add you to the list of thousands of Canes fans who knew all along that Butch was the guy. Those darn frat guys with their silly banner. Everyone loved Butch.