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CJ Bailey needs to come home

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Hoyacane1620 said:
IDK why he is being sold so hard on this site. I've been saying for weeks if he were from anywhere else, we wouldn't talk about him...
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There’s only one on this site that’s caping for him and mainly because he’s from SFL. As much as Mario tries to get as many SFL kids as possible, there’s obviously reasons he didn’t go hard after CJ.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Mestemaker had a couple stinkers when the competition ramped up but somehow its glossed over & hes in the "elite" tier of the portal, but Bailey is heavily criticized for his performances against 2 playoff level teams in ND and Miami while @ NC state.
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how about Duke? a 7-5 team
 
canecrazy23 said:
I like Bailey but I'm just curious. If an NC is the Ultimate goal can you name me an NC wining QB that had not 1 but 2 games like Bailey had against UM and ND. I mean he was absolutely horrible. Like not just bad but horrible.
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I'm not debating he struggled in those games. I'd have liked to see him play better against Miami after I said he's a 1st round QB. I do think he got overwhelmed as his supporting cast was overwhelmed.

There aren't any perfect comparisons, and development is not linear, but lots of QB's have been meh the year before winning a title. Florida, Georgia, Alabama were three particularly poor performances for this guy
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The team has to believe in the QB , believe he can win, believe he can direct the offense on the field. That's a big part of Cam and Beck's success.
Respect for experience and games won. Respect for the ability to get them out of trouble, lead them to wins.

I get that Bailey is well liked by guys on the team. It doesn't mean they think he can lead them to a Natty.... I'd argue that after this past season's game vs Bailey, it woud work the opposite.
 
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ageezy said:
uh ....
mendoza sophomore year stats are
3004yds16tds 6int 69% completion ... qb rating of 63.8 ... california went 6-5

bailey
3105yds 25tds 9int 69% completion qb rating of 79.2 ... ncstate went 8-5

mendoza got more and more buzz as the summer went on with those numbers ... and you don't think the bailey buzz is gonna grow as well as his numbers are better than mendoza's? cmon now ...
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NO
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
The team has to believe in the QB , believe he can win, believe he can direct the offense on the field. That's a big part of Cam and Beck's success.
Respect for experience and games won. Respect for the ability to get them out of trouble, lead them to wins.

I get that Bailey is well liked by guys on the team. It doesn't mean they think he can lead them to a Natty.... I'd argue that after this past season's game vs Bailey, it woud work the opposite.
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Lot of people on here saying we should have seen Beck implosion coming against Louisville. What they are really saying is that when things go off track for Beck, it goes off the track and its hard for him to get it back on track.
I think Bailey has also that same trait and he’s had MULTIPLE games like that already this season.

People need to stop blaming his supporting cast. His rb is among the top 2-3 rb portal options and 2 of his wrs are going to upgrade their situations as well. One was a former 5-star.

Bailey didn’t have to struggle as much as he did against us and ND. If he wasn’t deer in headlights, he could have shown us something, anything in those moments.

If he comes here, I will support him and root for him. But again, I think it is completely fair to say he shouldn’t be our TOP option or even in our top tier of options.
 
DMoney said:
Mendoza was a Top 25 prospect overall in the Portal. He had a 93 rating (same as Xavier Lucas, for comparison). His recruitment was streamlined, as it is for many Portal QBs, but he signed a two-comma contract.

I bring that up to show how the national perception (as reflected by his rating) outpaced the board opinion. I expect a similar thing to happen if Bailey enters the Portal. In his last game, the announcers were talking about him as a future Heisman contender. Doesn't mean it's true, but it reflects the gap between the national perception and the perception on here.

As for the substance of your post, you cited Bailey's QBR against us. He actually finished 14th in QBR in the entire country. Remember, he's only 19. He's 6'6, has a strong arm, can run, has great character, and is clean medically. He has 21 starts as an ACC quarterback with two years of eligibility left. There is a lot to like.

I believe he played poorly against Miami because (1) young quarterbacks have bad games; and (2) his supporting cast was overwhelmed. If you put him behind an elite pass protecting OL, I expect him to thrive. His trajectory has been straight up since high school. He keeps getting physically stronger and his mechanics have improved every year. And he's already a good ACC QB, so the floor is high.

The truth is I don't know what Miami wants to do. Bailey might not even enter the Portal. But if he does, expect to read a lot of nice things from people who live North of Palm Beach.
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I think sometimes Dmoney you’re getting a little carried away on saying he has a strong arm, does he have an adequate arm, yes, he does. But he does not have a canon for an arm. If you watch his games, you can see there is some arm strength issues. By your posting on here, this seems to be the quarterback we’re gonna get and so be it even though I don’t agree with it because I don’t think he’s good enough. But maybe he can take a big step forward next year but he has to get his arm stronger and he has to learn how to read Defenses much better and react to pressure much better.
 
I am truly on the fence with this Bailey kid and think his development can go either way.

He can be a star or he can be a major bust.

That said, he did look good against some of the best ACC competition. He made some plays against Virginia and some big plays against the Jackets.
Those things should be emphasized as positives to balance out all the negatives being thrown around.
 
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QB A-
3175 yards
26 TDs
10 INTs
74.5%
33 rushing yards
1 rushing TD
79.7 QBR

QB B-
3105 yards
25 TDs
9 INTs
68.8%
215 rushing yards
6 rushing TDs
79.2 QBR

QB A is Beck this year on a much better team
AB B is Bailey

Same conference. Similar schedule.

Bailey is a little less accurate but has a much better run game.

Bailey wouldn't be my first choice but I'll bet he'd have a better year here than Beck did this year.
 
Lance Roffers said:
I'm not debating he struggled in those games. I'd have liked to see him play better against Miami after I said he's a 1st round QB. I do think he got overwhelmed as his supporting cast was overwhelmed.

There aren't any perfect comparisons, and development is not linear, but lots of QB's have been meh the year before winning a title. Florida, Georgia, Alabama were three particularly poor performances for this guy View attachment 348456
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Thanks Lance for the answer.
 
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