CJ Bailey needs to come home

[Calinative]

Anyways as for the purpose of this thread... Why don't yall rank the potential portal additions you'd like?

For me it may depend on how this season finishes and what the outlook of next years team is. If next year we feel we're absolutely a natty team, I think we gotta just go with the more proven Qb rather than maybe a slightly higher risk guy. BUT a guy that would be here 2 years also gets a bit of a premium as well... Anyways out of guys I view as realistic targets (dont think Riaola is realistic), I'd probably go:

1 Yr Option guys:

1. Brendan Sorsby - Dude has been great this year. I think this dude has incredibly high floor and a good ceiling as well. I'm not sure he'd have the Ward or even Beck draft potential, but this dude seems like an absolute baller to me. Dude has an absolutely elite P2S ratio of 2.2%!! this season. No way that's sustainable, but career he's sub 15%. And when we discussed Sorsby this past offseason as a portal target my #1 issue was his big time throw : Turnover worhty play rate. 23+24 at Cinci he had 19 BTT:21 TWP on over 600 dropbacks. This year so far he has 11:3 on 173. Though I will say he didn't have a very good game against Nebraska. This would imo be the most realistic high end safe option. Plus I think this is a guy you 1000% can lure into the portal and to Miami. So it kinda has everything going for it. .

2. Demond Williams - definitely a tougher target in the portal than Sorsby imo. Like Not sure he's leave Washington and his current offense for here, especially since he followed Fisch to UW from UCLA. But I'd take him. In his 360+ dropbacks, he only has 3 TWP (2 INTs). But he was shut down by Ohio st. I think it's important for him to show this level of play for the whole season. But as of now he's be my #2 option

3. Darian Mensah - Dude has objectively had a great year. He was viewed quite highly last season as an up and coming portal guy, but he committed so **** early. Manny really got a W there for getting on this dude with the quickness. But he's been a good passer this year and has improved quite a bit over last season. Technically he'd have 2 years available too I believe, though I think it's doubtful he'd use them both.

T4. Rocco Becht, Sam Leavitt, DJ Lagway, LaNorris Sellers. To various degrees I don't feel these guys actually fit our offense nearly as well as the 3 above them. Like Leavitt and Sellers are run heavy/scramble guys that will run. Whereas scamble and ability to create, I think a guy like Cam is more what we want where he's looking to throw.

5. Josh Hoover. He's slipped a little for me, because although he's a great fit, He's had a lot of turnover issues, and I'm pretty sure he's just staying at TCU or going to the draft. ....

2 YEAR OPTION Guys:

T1. Malik Washington - Dude is having the best freshman QB season in the country through 6 games imo. Maryland is kinda having crazy freshman production right now. Dude is 6'5 230lbs and so far this year has 10 TDs : 2 INTs. He has a 5.6% P2S%. His WRs have an 11% Drop%. He has quite a fast Time to Throw especially for a freshman. I mean we will see what he does by the end of the year, but as of now, I'd probably lean him as #1...

T1. Jaron-keawe Sagapolutele - Dude started off strong as ****. But the past few games he's been a turnover machine. The thing is he's at Cal and how much can you really put on him. He's doing too much and it's leading to very bad decision making. And that is one thing next year we absolutely can NOT have. A guy that is good at not turning the ball over is the most critical aspect of Qb play there is, and his last 3 games he's had 7%, 5%, 7% TWP%. BUT he's pushing the ball downfield. he's shown great accuracy. He's getting the ball out quick... he's clearly got the talent. And 2 years of guaranteed eligibility.

3. Drew Mestemaker - I'm very high on this dude as a home run swing. He's got the arm, the size, the movement ability. He's coached by Eric Morris. I am hesitant mostly due to his absolutely lack of HS output and just overall lack of experience. He's only had like 275 Dropbacks in College and like 30 pass attemps in HS which is insane. But This is a very good 2 year option guy and Imo the absolute bottom tier of portal addition we should make. There is no excuse imo to at least not get Mestemaker if you don't get any of the guys I mentioned earlier. And honestly by the end of the year, in a FULL combined ranking, I could see myself wanting him over Sellers, Leavitt, Lagway, Becht, and Hoover....

 

[Calinative]

Just a random observation when trying to get elite portal wide receivers or high school players when Emery Williams is QB one when a portal opens

And after 2+ years of proving we will get an elite QB in the portal, when mario says it the players will believe it. 1 year wasn't enough.

 

[Memnon]

Well to be fair, your team has a two time MVP that you want to get rid of and they’ve looked spectacular without him. So to each their own I suppose

He's a phenomenal QB that always loses when it matters most.

But you're right, regular season MVP's>>>>>> Playoff wins & Superbowls.

 

[RVACane]

My "anti-South Florida" takes are simply that people who think & believe we should only ever recruit players & hire Coaches from SF are foolhardy because no other program in America does that.

I'm from South FL born & raised, but unfortunately there are other places in the country that also exist & have Football players. What I don't do is pretend SF is the only place on the planet that has good football players. I'm not going to overhype a player I don't think is good just because he happens to be from the same place as me.

I call it as I see it. If I believed Mendoza was the 2nd coming of Tom Brady, I would say so. I haven’t seen it, therefore I'm not going to say it.

When I see him play the way you describe him, I'll say it.

What I've seen from him at Cal & Indiana is an average QB.

No one was beating the table harder for us to go get D'Angelo Ponds last year from the Portal than me. Same with Chauncey Bowens.

Who was one of the first people who ever posted on Issac Brown?

https://www.canesinsight.com/threads/2024-rb-isaac-brown.177469/

I guess none of that counts though because I just hate South FL so much.

Now you’ve gone and done it.

 

[Memnon]

Also I recall you saying we should have just gotten Mendoza instead of waiting on Beck (if that was who we were targeting, this was before we got Beck, and before Mendoza even chose Indiana... but I think after Mensah already picked Duke) - Which I agreed with too... though My reasoning was more financial + injury concerns.

I quite wanted Ponds lol

When the options were stick with Emory, or try to get Mendoza, absolutely I would've taken Mendoza.

At that time, Beck wasn't available & every other QB in the Portal had already gone elsewhere.

 

[Calinative]

He's a phenomenal QB that always loses when it matters most.

But you're right, regular season MVP's>>>>>> Playoff wins & Superbowls.

IJS.... These are Lamars playoff games vs Mannings' first 8 playoff games. Obviously Lamar has absolutely crumbled in the playoffs, I agree. Everyone said the same about Peyton as well. And Peyton was better in the playoffs than lamar, but they had the same record - with a 37.5% Win%. And Lamar obviously contributes on the ground as well. But after those first 8, Peyton went on to win 2 SBs, and then had a playoff win% of 57% and objectively performed worse than He or even Lamar had over their first 8 games.... Peyton was 30 on his SB team where he won 4 playoff games. Lamar is 28 next season.

It's incredibly difficult to get a Qb the quality of Lamar. It'd be crazy to move on from him. I'd 1,000,000% move on from Harbuagh and hope that solves the playoff ineptitude before moving on from Lamar.

 

[SinisterCane]

And after 2+ years of proving we will get an elite QB in the portal, when mario says it the players will believe it. 1 year wasn't enough.

Friend

If Carson gets nicked up for any significant amount of time then the embodiment a failed high school quarterback evaluation and development becomes QB1

 

[Memnon]

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IJS.... These are Lamars playoff games vs Mannings' first 8 playoff games. Obviously Lamar has absolutely crumbled in the playoffs, I agree. Everyone said the same about Peyton as well. And Peyton was better in the playoffs than lamar, but they had the same record - with a 37.5% Win%. And Lamar obviously contributes on the ground as well. But after those first 8, Peyton went on to win 2 SBs, and then had a playoff win% of 57% and objectively performed worse than He or even Lamar had over their first 8 games.... Peyton was 30 on his SB team where he won 4 playoff games. Lamar is 28 next season.
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It's incredibly difficult to get a Qb the quality of Lamar. It'd be crazy to move on from him. I'd 1,000,000% move on from Harbuagh and hope that solves the playoff ineptitude before moving on from Lamar.

Lamar Jackson & Peyton Manning are not in the same solar system as QB's.

Lamar is choke artist & until he leads the Ravens to a Superbowl, that's all he's going to be.

It's year 9 for Lamar & the Ravens aren't going to the Superbowl again, let alone even make the playoffs.

But he's the best QB in the league, absolute Superstar. The most electric QB ever... Just don't ask him to win an AFC title game ever, that's too much for such a spectacular MVP QB.

 

[Calinative]

Friend

If Carson gets nicked up for any significant amount of time then the embodiment a failed high school quarterback evaluation and development becomes QB1

friend, you wont find a single person on this board that gives less of a **** about having a "high Quality backup" QB than me.
You get cheap guys who you hope can develop.

 

[Calinative]

Lamar is choke artist & until he leads the Ravens to a Superbowl, that's all he's going to be.

It's year 9 for Lamar & the Ravens aren't going to the Superbowl again, let alone even make the playoffs.

But he's the best QB in the league, absolute Superstar. The most electric QB ever... Just don't ask him to win an AFC title game ever, that's too much for such a spectacular MVP QB.

But I'm literally saying every single thing you are saying here was EXACTLY said about manning. So yeah, I agree until he wins a Superbowl - or even gets the Ravens there, he chokes in the playoffs and that's what he should be known as. He's a superstar for sure though. he's not even close to the best QB in the league cause mahomes is in a tier by himself with 2 empty tiers below him.

 

[Brains]

I’m not disagreeing with that, I don’t think Mendoza will ever be a quality NFL starter. It’s more that Richardson and Lance (Richardson in particular) was just straight up not a good qb in college. That was a bad pick, period. I don’t care how athletic he was lol

The Richardson pick was baffling at the time.

You didn't have to be a QB whisperer like Joe Philbin to see it.

 

[canecrazy23]

Nothing dumb about it at all.

Mendoza is an average game manager QB, his numbers & the eye test back that up.

Indiana is having the same season they had last year with a similar QB who put up the same numbers as Mendoza is now, so what does that say?

Mendoza is "DOG" because he plays on a team that does all the heavy lifting for him. When he was at Cal, he was an average QB.

If Mendoza wasn't from Miami, no one on this board would even know who he was.

But, regardless of that. You want a full breakdown of the film of why I categorize Mendoza the way that I do? Or would rather just stick with hyperbole arguments?

Pick your poison.

I see what your seeing.

 

[Yasuke]

But we'd lose Emory to the portal....pass

 

[ShadowSpring]

Anyways as for the purpose of this thread... Why don't yall rank the potential portal additions you'd like?

For me it may depend on how this season finishes and what the outlook of next years team is. If next year we feel we're absolutely a natty team, I think we gotta just go with the more proven Qb rather than maybe a slightly higher risk guy. BUT a guy that would be here 2 years also gets a bit of a premium as well... Anyways out of guys I view as realistic targets (dont think Riaola is realistic), I'd probably go:

1 Yr Option guys:

1. Brendan Sorsby - Dude has been great this year. I think this dude has incredibly high floor and a good ceiling as well. I'm not sure he'd have the Ward or even Beck draft potential, but this dude seems like an absolute baller to me. Dude has an absolutely elite P2S ratio of 2.2%!! this season. No way that's sustainable, but career he's sub 15%. And when we discussed Sorsby this past offseason as a portal target my #1 issue was his big time throw : Turnover worhty play rate. 23+24 at Cinci he had 19 BTT:21 TWP on over 600 dropbacks. This year so far he has 11:3 on 173. Though I will say he didn't have a very good game against Nebraska. This would imo be the most realistic high end safe option. Plus I think this is a guy you 1000% can lure into the portal and to Miami. So it kinda has everything going for it. .

2. Demond Williams - definitely a tougher target in the portal than Sorsby imo. Like Not sure he's leave Washington and his current offense for here, especially since he followed Fisch to UW from UCLA. But I'd take him. In his 360+ dropbacks, he only has 3 TWP (2 INTs). But he was shut down by Ohio st. I think it's important for him to show this level of play for the whole season. But as of now he's be my #2 option

3. Darian Mensah - Dude has objectively had a great year. He was viewed quite highly last season as an up and coming portal guy, but he committed so **** early. Manny really got a W there for getting on this dude with the quickness. But he's been a good passer this year and has improved quite a bit over last season. Technically he'd have 2 years available too I believe, though I think it's doubtful he'd use them both.

T4. Rocco Becht, Sam Leavitt, DJ Lagway, LaNorris Sellers. To various degrees I don't feel these guys actually fit our offense nearly as well as the 3 above them. Like Leavitt and Sellers are run heavy/scramble guys that will run. Whereas scamble and ability to create, I think a guy like Cam is more what we want where he's looking to throw.

5. Josh Hoover. He's slipped a little for me, because although he's a great fit, He's had a lot of turnover issues, and I'm pretty sure he's just staying at TCU or going to the draft. ....

2 YEAR OPTION Guys:

T1. Malik Washington - Dude is having the best freshman QB season in the country through 6 games imo. Maryland is kinda having crazy freshman production right now. Dude is 6'5 230lbs and so far this year has 10 TDs : 2 INTs. He has a 5.6% P2S%. His WRs have an 11% Drop%. He has quite a fast Time to Throw especially for a freshman. I mean we will see what he does by the end of the year, but as of now, I'd probably lean him as #1...

T1. Jaron-keawe Sagapolutele - Dude started off strong as ****. But the past few games he's been a turnover machine. The thing is he's at Cal and how much can you really put on him. He's doing too much and it's leading to very bad decision making. And that is one thing next year we absolutely can NOT have. A guy that is good at not turning the ball over is the most critical aspect of Qb play there is, and his last 3 games he's had 7%, 5%, 7% TWP%. BUT he's pushing the ball downfield. he's shown great accuracy. He's getting the ball out quick... he's clearly got the talent. And 2 years of guaranteed eligibility.

3. Drew Mestemaker - I'm very high on this dude as a home run swing. He's got the arm, the size, the movement ability. He's coached by Eric Morris. I am hesitant mostly due to his absolutely lack of HS output and just overall lack of experience. He's only had like 275 Dropbacks in College and like 30 pass attemps in HS which is insane. But This is a very good 2 year option guy and Imo the absolute bottom tier of portal addition we should make. There is no excuse imo to at least not get Mestemaker if you don't get any of the guys I mentioned earlier. And honestly by the end of the year, in a FULL combined ranking, I could see myself wanting him over Sellers, Leavitt, Lagway, Becht, and Hoover....

CJ Bailey is better most on that list. JKS is probably the only player with more potential. Like I don't know what makes you people not like a 6'6" mobile QB with a strong arm that's also lighting up ACC defenses and is the most accurate QB any of you are considering. 72% completion and a great deep ball. CJ Bailey has a very high ceiling. CJ can work himself in the top 3 QB's in the portal if he can protect the ball a little better. Very strange for many of you to be overlooking the dude.

You say Mensah has had a great year, welp CJ is basically tied in passer rating. It's so strange. what is it about CJ that makes all you want everyone else when he's right there. Fascinating. I like Mensah, he's not garbage like Leavitt. Not sure why he's on anyones list. Below average passing QB and is having a bad season without Scattebo

 

[svenben]

Hoover is my pick. The Cal kid seems to be a west coast kid but why not - shoot our shot. But, if we land a kid like JKS, we might lose every QB on the roster including Coleman. lol Kid can sling it, though.

It will be interesting to see who goes after the kid. If I was UCLA, I'd tell Nico to kick rocks after this year and throw the bank at JKS. USC might go after him as well.

Someone donated 50M to Stanford.. dont be surprised if they go for JKS

 

[svenben]

How about Mensah? 1900yds at the moment 15/2 TD/Int ratio at Duke..

 

[ShadowSpring]

How about Mensah? 1900yds at the moment 15/2 TD/Int ratio at Duke..

Good player.

 

[Calinative]

CJ Bailey is better most on that list. JKS is probably the only player with more potential. Like I don't know what makes you people not like a 6'6" mobile QB with a strong arm that's also lighting up ACC defenses and is the most accurate QB any of you are considering. 72% completion and a great deep ball. CJ Bailey has a very high ceiling. CJ can work himself in the top 3 QB's in the portal if he can protect the ball a little better. Very strange for many of you to be overlooking the dude.

You say Mensah has had a great year, welp CJ is basically tied in passer rating. It's so strange. what is it about CJ that makes all you want everyone else when he's right there. Fascinating. I like Mensah, he's not garbage like Leavitt. Not sure why he's on anyones list. Below average passing QB and is having a bad season without Scattebo

On 604 drop backs he has 17 INTs and 26 Turnover worthy plays and only 24 Big time throws. Also pretty sure he’s fumbled quite a bit. 18% p2s%. He played really bad against Duke and ND this year and played bad in a bunch of games last yr. I just don’t think he’s near the talent of some of these other guys. He just seems fine.

 

[Tee3000]

Nothing dumb about it at all.

Mendoza is an average game manager QB, his numbers & the eye test back that up.

Indiana is having the same season they had last year with a similar QB who put up the same numbers as Mendoza is now, so what does that say?

Mendoza is "DOG" because he plays on a team that does all the heavy lifting for him. When he was at Cal, he was an average QB.

If Mendoza wasn't from Miami, no one on this board would even know who he was.

But, regardless of that. You want a full breakdown of the film of why I categorize Mendoza the way that I do? Or would rather just stick with hyperbole arguments?

Pick your You’re pretty clueless. You might have these minions fooled but that don’t work on someone that’s iDon’t need a breaks down

Nothing dumb about it at all.

Mendoza is an average game manager QB, his numbers & the eye test back that up.

Indiana is having the same season they had last year with a similar QB who put up the same numbers as Mendoza is now, so what does that say?

Mendoza is "DOG" because he plays on a team that does all the heavy lifting for him. When he was at Cal, he was an average QB.

If Mendoza wasn't from Miami, no one on this board would even know who he was.

But, regardless of that. You want a full breakdown of the film of why I categorize Mendoza the way that I do? Or would rather just stick with hyperbole arguments?

Pick your poison.

Indiana qb last year was a 6th year senior and Mendoza is true junior. If the true junior is putting up same or better numbers than the 6th year senior then wouldn’t the true junior be the better player or does the truth get in the way of your insane biases?

Lastly, Why would I need a breakdown from the likes of you when the hottest coach in the country recruited him from Cal to play for him at Indiana?? Why on earth would I listen to you and take what you say as serious about a kid that’s played excellent at both stops in college? I played D1 cfb so why would I need your analysis? Keep in mind this same qb is also being projected as #1 overall (Mel Kiper doesn’t know **** right) in the nfl draft but forget all that because YOU know better than everyone right? Bro if you don’t stfu already.

Do you have a problem with south Florida? I saw another dumb comment that you made about Will Harris and south Florida but you don’t even know Coach Harris has deep South Florida ties. It seems you are the one with the issue with south Florida.. if so,,go root for another team then.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

@Memnon said nobody would know about him if he wasn’t from Miami. That’s absurd to me since Mendoza is a national name. Memnon is one of, if not the, best posters ever on this site and has been for years. But I think he likes to troll people with some of his anti-South Florida takes.

I won’t argue for Mendoza’s pro prospects because I’m not convinced. But as a college player, he’s a star and has proven many on this board dead wrong.

If Indiana weren't winning and getting so much attention, no one would think he was all that great.... The whole team played well vs ORegon.