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Chris Simms edge rankings

AtlAtty said:
All that to say that selecting Love and Reese, who have NFL measurables, is safe for the GM. Then if/when the player flames out, the GM is able to blame the coach for not developing Arvell Reese, as opposed to the truth which is that he never should have been picked that high if anyone watched their most important games. However, taking a player who has shorter arms or is 3 inches shorter in height, is a risk for the GM and his job.
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Brooklyndee said:
I don't have issue with Bailey at one I guess. It's a legit conversation. For me I can acknowledge the best first step at the position is bailey. Without knowing his arm length I'd imagine he's more prototypical. I can acknowledge at times reubens arm length has been an issue with finishing plays. You'd see it at times where he'd be in position for a sack or a tfl and he'd bounce off the player. It wasn't a common issue at all. But once in a blue it would occur. That's an arm length issue. All that being said Reuben is by far the better overall talent. Bailey is basic against the run and struggles in space while reuben is dominant in that category. Mesi is definitely 3rd. But when it comes to the league I can see Mesi having a better career then Reese and bailey quite possibly. To me reese looks like a jag. Screams Dion Jordan...
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You know its funny to me is why it is so obvious Reese is the guy that will be the hybrid edge, when nobody says that of Styles or Golday...

Yet....

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Styles is Taller, Heavier, has bigger hands, longer arms, Ran the same 40 but with a quicker 10 yard split... Golday is a touch smaller BUT Reese didn't perform the broad jump and 3-cone while Styles and Golday did, and both had pretty excellent performances. Both those athleticism metrics are pretty important for EDGE.

All this while Reese had like 112 total Pass Rush Snaps this year... Golday had 80 and Styles 64. Of course Right now Reese is the better pass rusher, but he's the only one of the 3 that actually was utilized as such and practiced pass rush moves really... But like when you think about it why wouldn't any team drafting either of Styles/Golday not try them out as EDGEs first? And if you drafted them you'd likely feel more comfortable with them as a pure LB as a fall back/foundation than you do Reese who is more of a pure hybrid right now. Like if youre drafting Reese to be TJ Watt basically... why not try that with Styles too? **** if I'm Styles Id 100% be trying to move to EDGE first. Literally DOUBLE the potentially pay!

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Calinative said:
You know its funny to me is why it is so obvious Reese is the guy that will be the hybrid edge, when nobody says that of Styles or Golday...

Yet....

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Styles is Taller, Heavier, has bigger hands, longer arms, Ran the same 40 but with a quicker 10 yard split... Golday is a touch smaller BUT Reese didn't perform the broad jump and 3-cone while Styles and Golday did, and both had pretty excellent performances. Both those athleticism metrics are pretty important for EDGE.

All this while Reese had like 112 total Pass Rush Snaps this year... Golday had 80 and Styles 64. Of course Right now Reese is the better pass rusher, but he's the only one of the 3 that actually was utilized as such and practiced pass rush moves really... But like when you think about it why wouldn't any team drafting either of Styles/Golday not try them out as EDGEs first? And if you drafted them you'd likely feel more comfortable with them as a pure LB as a fall back/foundation than you do Reese who is more of a pure hybrid right now. Like if youre drafting Reese to be TJ Watt basically... why not try that with Styles too? **** if I'm Styles Id 100% be trying to move to EDGE first. Literally DOUBLE the potentially pay!

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Because those guys aren’t really pass rushers. Styles is a former safety and his specialty is his speed and range
 
252cane said:
Because those guys aren’t really pass rushers. Styles is a former safety and his specialty is his speed and range
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.... And? You couldn't say basically the same **** about Reese? What makes someone "really a pass rusher" is that they were put there and trained there. Again Reese had 112 pass Rush snaps last year. Wow what a number. Such a difference. Styles and Golday are pretty elite athletes - even/especially at EDGE. There is literally 2x as much value in like a top 10 edge vs like even a top 3 off ball LB. ITs that big of a difference in value. But over 112 rush snaps we're going to say that can't be done?

Are they as strong as Reese to be able to hold up at EDGE? We can literally see/know they are as big/bigger and longer. And pretty similar or better athletes. That's just a fact. Of course they are not as good at the rush skill set... but again we're not talking about Reese being some technician here...
 
Calinative said:
You know its funny to me is why it is so obvious Reese is the guy that will be the hybrid edge, when nobody says that of Styles or Golday...

Yet....

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Styles is Taller, Heavier, has bigger hands, longer arms, Ran the same 40 but with a quicker 10 yard split... Golday is a touch smaller BUT Reese didn't perform the broad jump and 3-cone while Styles and Golday did, and both had pretty excellent performances. Both those athleticism metrics are pretty important for EDGE.

All this while Reese had like 112 total Pass Rush Snaps this year... Golday had 80 and Styles 64. Of course Right now Reese is the better pass rusher, but he's the only one of the 3 that actually was utilized as such and practiced pass rush moves really... But like when you think about it why wouldn't any team drafting either of Styles/Golday not try them out as EDGEs first? And if you drafted them you'd likely feel more comfortable with them as a pure LB as a fall back/foundation than you do Reese who is more of a pure hybrid right now. Like if youre drafting Reese to be TJ Watt basically... why not try that with Styles too? **** if I'm Styles Id 100% be trying to move to EDGE first. Literally DOUBLE the potentially pay!

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I never watched goloday so I can't speak on him. But when it relates to styles and players in general measurables are one thing but their skill sets are an entirely different topic. People speak on reese as an edge because this is his first year starting. His results are basic while his measurables are what you ideally want from the position. But he's proven he lacks in space and has questionable instincts. Styles on the other hand has pure linebacker skills. He excells in space, has above average coverage skills and good mechanics. You're not drafting styles with the thought of let's put him at edge. He has proven film that shows exactly who he is. Reese has very little film that shows you much. The more damning thing is when you understand the program he came from and how advanced the coaching is on the defensive side of the ball. Yet he's a first time starter & had very little results while he was a back up. Add that up with upper tier coaching & it makes you question was this season the result of Patricia scheming Reese into results until teams adjusted to him or was his previous lack of results more in line with who he actually is... Myself I'm not intrigued enough with his potential upside when he paired it with very little results and an average pro day to draft him anywhere near top 10. I wouldn't take him till back end of the first.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I never watched goloday so I can't speak on him. But when it relates to styles and players in general measurables are one thing but their skill sets are an entirely different topic. People speak on reese as an edge because this is his first year starting. His results are basic while his measurables are what you ideally want from the position. But he's proven he lacks in space and has questionable instincts. Styles on the other hand has pure linebacker skills. He excells in space, has above average coverage skills and good mechanics. You're not drafting styles with the thought of let's put him at edge. He has proven film that shows exactly who he is. Reese has very little film that shows you much. The more damning thing is when you understand the program he came from and how advanced the coaching is on the defensive side of the ball. Yet he's a first time starter & had very little results while he was a back up. Add that up with upper tier coaching & it makes you question was this season the result of Patricia scheming Reese into results until teams adjusted to him or was his previous lack of results more in line with who he actually is... Myself I'm not intrigued enough with his potential upside when he paired it with very little results and an average pro day to draft him anywhere near top 10. I wouldn't take him till back end of the first.
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Sure I agree that nobody will draft Styles to play him at EDGE, and that he is built and has clear production to be a possible All-Pro LB in the future.

BUT I'm saying given his size AND ATHLETICISM - which matches or EXCEEDS Reese's - and given everyone clearly understands why it makes perfect sense for Reece to start at EDGE... because it is so much more valuable of a position (And earnings potential!)...

Im just saying if you put Styles at purely EDGE for his whole rookie year and just see what happened... I very much believe it'd be more than worth it. This is like a $20M/yr NET difference in value at the ultra high end between EDGE and off Ball LB we are talking about here. And if the comparison is Strictly between Styles and Reece, A) You feel significantly stronger that Styles has a very high floor at off-ball lb, BUT I don't particularly see why Reece would have so much of a higher Floor OR ceiling at EDGE than Styles would be.

I get Styles Skill set is perhaps ideal for todays off ball lb... but there is no real reason you couldn't say that skillset (build+athleticism) isn't also ideal for EDGE....

I'm just pointing this out because Reece is currently being projected to be drafted ahead of Styles. BUt I'm saying If I were Styles why the **** wouldn't I try EDGE first given the choice and if I were the team drafting, I'd MUCH prefer to draft Styles closer to 7-10 than Reece at 2 with the specific intent of playing/trying both at EDGE first ....

but that's just me...
 
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