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Coker was 12-0 his first year (greatest ever by today's standards) 7-6 (destroyed our Canes) his last....need I review the rest of the failures? You all would've fired Dabo, Urban, Saban after less than one year...The negative opinions of JJ (Ok St?) and Erickson (never coached so many black players, how would he work out in Miami) were off the charts...glad we did not have CIS then...wish folks would wise up now. To many want to throw out the baby with the wash water....our baby who has coached one of the best defenses in 1A for several years and is learning to be a major head coach. I predict he will go down as a great. Check with some of us old timers who witnessed Scnell leaving and JJ leaving...no one could replace them, except they did and each brought something new to college football.
 
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fraggle said:
Coker was 12-0 his first year (greatest ever by today's standards) 7-6 (destroyed our Canes) his last....need I review the rest of the failures? You all would've fired Dabo, Urban, Saban after less than one year...The negative opinions of JJ (Ok St?) and Erickson (never coached so many black players, how would he work out in Miami) were off the charts...glad we did not have CIS then...wish folks would wise up now. To many want to throw out the baby with the wash water....our baby who has coached one of the best defenses in 1A for several years and is learning to be a major head coach. I predict he will go down as a great. Check with some of us old timers who witnessed Scnell leaving and JJ leaving...no one could replace them, except they did and each brought something new to college football.
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I really have no idea or gut feeling about how Manny turns out. There’s good and bad. Having been down this road before, I just need more data. In other words more games. I’ll know one way or the other for my own self, probably no later than mid season next year or later at the end of the season. That’ll be two full seasons - that’ll be enough.

I admire your optimism and hope you’re right.
 
One positive in my opinion is if Manny succeeds that he won’t leave us for another job or the NFL.
 
Given the new FIU helmets they're donning for Saturday's massacre, they need to be reminded... This is OUR CITY!!! 305 bytches
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I don't disagree with the sentiment. JJ's first year was with a team that won an NC the year before and turned out pretty bad, including losing a game at home where he was up 31 pts. at the half.

Erickson was a good game day coach that won with what JJ built but the program started it's decline on his watch because he was not a good program manager.

Butch came in and methodically built it up from scraps but suffered some horrendous defeats along the way. Was a poor game day coach but great talent evaluator and program manager.

We currently live in a microwave, drive through society that wants results quick. Erickson and Coker produced results quickly but we saw what happened over time.

JJ and Butch took some time (especially Butch who dealt with scholarship reductions) but patience proved fruitful.

Maybe Manny isn't the long term solution but judging from past experience 1 year may not be enough time to truly judge the trajectory of his program. He certainly deserves the same amount of time as those other guys.
 
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rubycane said:
One positive in my opinion is if Manny succeeds that he won’t leave us for another job or the NFL.
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I actually want coaches driven to work at the next level, the same way I want to recruit players that aspire to get to the next level.

Complacency builds mediocrity. Our most successful coaches have moved to the next level.

Nothing wrong with this. There seems this false narrative that we can only get to be a strong program with coaches who don't want to leave. Unfortunately, those are the same coaches that will end up being forced out.
 
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