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Calinative said:
Right if you buy the “featureless” version or a maglock it is not consider an assault weapon… which I mentioned. However there is another method which is what I also said (I kinda misspoke meant it’s not an assault weapon)
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That's just f'in retarded in my view - but it is California so it tracks. It takes less than a few seconds to attach and upper to a lower - what's the point of the law if you can just have a legal version of it sitting in your safe until you decide to go postal? Unless I'm just misunderstanding it...
 
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JD08 said:
FYI. The guy you're addressing was 82nd Airborne. He's talking about the basic design, not the actual functionality.
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Me - former 82nd, 101st, Special Forces, and served in Co. O Arctic Rangers 75th, and Co. H Rangers, First Cav RVN. Four MOS's. Took scalps. Just like a whole lot of others.

Like I said, sphincters have the same basic design - but aren't the same.
 
stefan426 said:
Why the hate for california lol, and why are y'all angry about miscategorizing a gun, genine question
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I can only speak for myself. California itself, especially northern California is nice - but the Left Coastal people suck.

Why a problem with those mis-categorizing an AR-15 with an assault weapon? I hate folks who flaunt their stupidity. If they'd keep their mouths shut - no one would know they're proud idiots.


That's like mis-categorizing a bigtime hard drug dealer - as a non-licensed pharmacist.
 
Suhrthing said:
That's just f'in retarded in my view - but it is California so it tracks. It takes less than a few seconds to attach and upper to a lower - what's the point of the law if you can just have a legal version of it sitting in your safe until you decide to go postal? Unless I'm just misunderstanding it...
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I think if you said (or they were able to prove) you intended to assemble it, then it would be considered basically the same as put together. But you could always just keep silent. It's like a lighter, rag, and a bottle of alcohol. May only take 10 seconds to put together and create a molotov ****tail, but its not illegal to possess each part. However like if you said you intended to create a molotov ****atil - which is illegal - THEN you'd be breaking the law... It's considered a Semi-Automatic firearm only if it mechanically has all the parts to fire, eject, and reload. When disassembled it can't. Same if you removed the firing pin. Whereas if just had the safety on or didn't have any ammo in your posession, it'd still be mechanically capable. So even a non-compliant AR15 could be legally posessed disassembled...
 
UMFarArcher said:
Me - former 82nd, 101st, Special Forces, and served in Co. O Arctic Rangers 75th, and Co. H Rangers, First Cav RVN. Four MOS's. Took scalps. Just like a whole lot of others.

Like I said, sphincters have the same basic design - but aren't the same.
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I know your experience. I was just making sure you knew his. He's legit.
 
*****-Wan Kanobi said:
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Sorry. M4A2 Carbine = AR15 and I dare someone to argue, I know first hand. 🤷🏿‍♂️

No reason is, not should be mad for combat, but for self defense and hunting. It's people that make dumb decisions, not the weapon, but on the subject of "combat weapon"... nah, the M4 and AR is pretty much the same thing and the M4 is the standard US Army weapon.
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They're NOT the same. Outer dimensions are identical - machining is not.

AR bolt carriers cutouts are very different - they're designed intentionally to not trip the auto sear even if you HAVE an auto sear.

Look again.
 
JD08 said:
I know your experience. I was just making sure you knew his. He's legit.
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It was just a bit of wording then, that triggered me.

That's on me.

Most of us just used and cleaned our weapons - the nuances not that important - and I had a Master Armorer get into details on the dissimilarities. Even if you have a full auto sear and selector switch in an AR - it won't trip.

Mine is a pre-ban Colt Carbine - and in a few minutes - I can get it going full auto - which is so stupid as full auto is both inaccurate and wasteful. And illegal.

Even in combat - only because I was Point - I dumped the first magazine in a sideways figure 8 pattern, just to scatter those I faced - and from then on - only semi-auto. Hits count. Accuracy gets hits.

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. These clowns that just shoot up the countryside burning ammo on full auto are dumbasces.

I forgot now, but for every kill we made in Iraq/Afghanistan - we fired thousands of rounds.

A rifleman should get a kill every five rounds if he can shoot worth squat. Certainly ten!
 
Calinative said:
I think if you said (or they were able to prove) you intended to assemble it, then it would be considered basically the same as put together. But you could always just keep silent. It's like a lighter, rag, and a bottle of alcohol. May only take 10 seconds to put together and create a molotov ****tail, but its not illegal to possess each part. However like if you said you intended to create a molotov ****atil - which is illegal - THEN you'd be breaking the law... It's considered a Semi-Automatic firearm only if it mechanically has all the parts to fire, eject, and reload. When disassembled it can't. Same if you removed the firing pin. Whereas if just had the safety on or didn't have any ammo in your posession, it'd still be mechanically capable. So even a non-compliant AR15 could be legally posessed disassembled...
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Nah. Not a good equivalence at all. Bottles, rags and fuel have common and independent uses. An ar upper and lower have only each other, and only a single function.

It’s a pants-on-head idiotic law - even more so if you can legally purchase standard ar15 complete lowers in California.
 
SinisterCane said:
Well take your rifle and just go walk around town and good luck in your journey



And by the way, I spent 20 years in the Navy and my division was, literally in charge of all the wink wink “rifles”, and small arms aboard our naval submarines. I think I would know.
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Well, obviously, in spite of handling small arms aboard - locked up in the arms room, and not laying around - you didn't have an AR-15 anywhere on the premises, and couldn't actually compare the bolt carrier side by side.

If you had - you'd see the difference. Side view, and especially if you turn the bolt carrier upside down - that's where the magic happens.

THEN, there's mil-spec.

AR's are not designed to be mil-spec. There's a difference - small to be sure - but a difference between the civilian AR-15 .223 cartridges - and then there's the NATO spec cartridge in 5.56.

Small difference - but NOT the same, either.
 
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AtlAtty said:
What is the matter with so many of you that you can’t have any discussion without making it political.

Now we have to move this to OT because so of you just can’t help yourselves.
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Blame it on me.

However, the incident took place in California - and it's my opinion that Coastal Californians are idiots - which leads us back to the "crime" committed.

Down South - we keep it simple and real. He'd have had to give the officer an autograph, and would have received a pat on the back and wished him luck.

That's why he was arrested. The COPS made it political.
 
UMFarArcher said:
Blame it on me.

However, the incident took place in California - and it's my opinion that Coastal Californians are idiots - which leads us back to the "crime" committed.

Down South - we keep it simple and real. He'd have had to give the officer an autograph, and would have received a pat on the back and wished him luck.

That's why he was arrested. The COPS made it political.
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Was his conduct against the law in the state of California, or did the officer interpret the law incorrectly. A police officer’s job is simply to apply law to facts. It is the job of the subsequent prosecutor (of which I was one in Atlanta for 5 years) to interpret the law.
 
AtlAtty said:
Was his conduct against the law in the state of California, or did the officer interpret the law incorrectly. A police officer’s job is simply to apply law to facts. It is the job of the subsequent prosecutor (of which I was one in Atlanta for 5 years) to interpret the law.
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Then I've had some bad luck with law enforcement officers. Many professional - a few are outright iceholes. Born iceholes, raised as iceholes, and aspire to be even greater iceholes.

I barely chirped my tires in my NHRA G Gasser '56 Chevy as a light turned green, got pulled, and had I believe 11 different charges - including disturbing the peace (the little chirp), and "improper takeoff." Which wasn't even a law.

There's a small percentage that have no business with a badge.

Probably prosecutors as well. Oh yeah - I had one of those too - Mistrial first go around since the prosecutor screwed up in court - and then the big Prosecutor came in - and when the lawman under oath told a completely different story - he was also under oath - still on record from the first trial - it became clear he was just outright lying - both times.

Dismissed.

All I did was when started chewing my asc out for speeding, I told him if he was going to write a ticket - get to writing - and cut the sermon.

He got mad, told me it as a $75 fine - depending on what HE said, and I replied (to the dollar amount) "$75? That's chickensh*tt." I was then cuffed and taken to jail. I think he said, "I'll show you chickensh*tt!" And he DID!

Charged me with disturbing the peace.

Within 30 days of dismissal - while that deputy was at work, a moving van pulled up in his yard and emptied his house of everything - all furniture - everything.

I sure hated that happened to him . . .
 
AtlAtty said:
Was his conduct against the law in the state of California, or did the officer interpret the law incorrectly. A police officer’s job is simply to apply law to facts. It is the job of the subsequent prosecutor (of which I was one in Atlanta for 5 years) to interpret the law.
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One more little thing.

In the recent past - there was allowances - by law enforcement who were clever.

They'd to a Roadhouse, some to enter, some to cover the exits. This would usually occur on a Friday or Saturday night.

They'd announce that they apologized for the interruption, and that they'd finish this as quickly as possible and let everyone get back to their fun.

"Everyone line up, and we're going to pat you down for weapons as you get to the door. Once everyone's been patted down - we'll let everyone get back to their own business."

They'd turn their backs - and one could hear the pistols and knives hitting the floor. After the room was cleared, they'd go around and pick them up - and let everyone get back inside.

No one ever complained. Never.

No one got arrested, no one got in trouble - but everyone that illegally brought a weapon into the joint - lost them. Forever.

After a while - folks just quit bringing firearms especially - as they were too expensive to keep losing.

Common sense. It just works.


You try that today - oh no . . .
 
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UMFarArcher said:
Then I've had some bad luck with law enforcement officers. Many professional - a few are outright iceholes. Born iceholes, raised as iceholes, and aspire to be even greater iceholes.

I barely chirped my tires in my NHRA G Gasser '56 Chevy as a light turned green, got pulled, and had I believe 11 different charges - including disturbing the peace (the little chirp), and "improper takeoff." Which wasn't even a law.

There's a small percentage that have no business with a badge.

Probably prosecutors as well. Oh yeah - I had one of those too - Mistrial first go around since the prosecutor screwed up in court - and then the big Prosecutor came in - and when the lawman under oath told a completely different story - he was also under oath - still on record from the first trial - it became clear he was just outright lying - both times.

Dismissed.

All I did was when started chewing my asc out for speeding, I told him if he was going to write a ticket - get to writing - and cut the sermon.

He got mad, told me it as a $75 fine - depending on what HE said, and I replied (to the dollar amount) "$75? That's chickensh*tt." I was then cuffed and taken to jail. I think he said, "I'll show you chickensh*tt!" And he DID!

Charged me with disturbing the peace.

Within 30 days of dismissal - while that deputy was at work, a moving van pulled up in his yard and emptied his house of everything - all furniture - everything.

I sure hated that happened to him . . .
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You ran into a bad cop. I’m happy to read that the lead prosecutor stepped in and did the right thing when it was clear the cop was lying.
2/3’s of your experiences with law enforcement were bad; bad cop and one bad prosecutor. Thankfully the conclusion was correct, even if the process was wrong. Really wrong.
 
Suhrthing said:
These types of mischaracterizations are continuously used as justification to infringe upon the 2A.
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If I were to post that if you expect people who can't identify genders to properly identify weapons they seek to ban will this thread get bumped to the Town Hall? :devilish:

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AtlAtty said:
You ran into a bad cop. I’m happy to read that the lead prosecutor stepped in and did the right thing when it was clear the cop was lying.
2/3’s of your experiences with law enforcement were bad; bad cop and one bad prosecutor. Thankfully the conclusion was correct, even if the process was wrong. Really wrong.
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No, no - I don't want to suggest many are bad - there are some!

Got pulled over in Utah, and I showed him my Conceal Carry as well as my Driver's license. He didn't give me a ticket, but wrapping it up he asked me, "Just for my own curiosity - what are you carrying and where?"

This guy looked like he stepped out of a Marlboro commercial!

I said, "In the console - there's a Kimber Ultra CDP II 1911, in my door pocket - there's a Colt Agent in .38 Special, I have a Walther TPH in .22 that's in the right side cubby hole just under the dash, and on the left side in that wallet pocket under the dash - I have a High Standard Derringer in .22 magnum loaded with snake shot, and in the Glove Compartment I have exactly what you are carrying - a Springfield Armory 5" 1911, with Crimson Trace red laser grips. And in the back of the truck is a pistol grip Mossberg .20 guage with #1 buckshot, and a pre-ban Colt AR carbine."

He asked "What are you scared of?"

"Nothing, sir. Absolutely nothing."

And we both started laughing our asces off. We ended up talking for a good 15 minutes after I got out post-laugh. Years later, I heard a this event related - without the absolute accuracy of precisely what I had - told on the internet.

I found that amusing.

My father in law was Florida ATF, and my uncle flew the Dade County helicopter and was a Lieutenant - so I'm partial to cops.

Just a few gotta be iceholes.
 
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