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this "eye test" over resume rhetoric ESPN is spewing so that they can pick their 4 teams is a huge crock of subjective ****...The Clemson gets a pass story everyones spewing is the biggest crock of **** I have ever seen, you phucking lost to Syracuse
 
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Is that what Wisconsin and TCU have done? We've had 20 point margins of victory in a few games. Is that not good enough?

TCU has a better win than we do. They beat Ok. St. on the road by 13. We don't have a single win against a team currently ranked in the CFP Top 25. It's not that hard to see the difference.

Wisconsin, I have no idea. No explanation there as to why we're behind them.

THEY LOST! ****! You don't start comparing quality wins and strength of schedules between two teams when one is an undefeated P5 team and the other has a loss to an unranked perennial cellar dweller.

Dude. Calm down. It's the first week of rankings.

As I've said a bunch of times in this thread, the Committee values GOOD WINS more than they do bad losses. That's been something they consistently have said since Day 1 of the **** rankings; otherwise, teams would schedule cupcakes and we'd have the BCS rankings all over again. So to answer your question, quality wins and strength of schedule ABSOLUTELY MATTER BETWEEN TWO TEAMS WHEN ONE TEAM IS AN UNDEFEATED POWER 5 TEAM.

It's week one of the rankings. Team's ahead of us, even with one loss, have better resumes than we do; that's just a fact. There's no question. Will this be the same by the end of the season? NO.

Let's see how things shake out before losing our minds over where we stand right now. If we beat VT and ND, there's no doubt we leapfrog the one loss teams. Right now, we don't have a case to do that.

What team has better "good wins" than Iowa State? That's the bull**** I'm talking about. Go back and watch the Syracuse v. Clemson game. Listen to the announcers and the halftime analysts. They were ready to give Clemson a pass in the 2nd quarter. They were already pretending that game didn't matter. #2 Clemson lost to a 2-3 unranked Syracuse and only dropped 5 places to 7th. They should have ended up around 15-17.

#3 FSU lost to #1 Alabama and dropped to 11th.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Iowa State has two losses; I don't think anyone would argue with you if a 2-loss team somehow jumped an undefeated Miami squad.
 
this "eye test" over resume rhetoric ESPN is spewing so that they can pick their 4 teams is a huge crock of subjective ****...The Clemson gets a pass story everyones spewing is the biggest crock of **** I have ever seen, you phucking lost to Syracuse

ESPN has nothing to do with the rankings, and the only team I heard them use the "eye test" argument for after the rankings came out were in regards to Alabama.
 
Meaningless

not meaningless at all. The committee has pretty much just confirmed that a 1 loss ACC champion in Miami who will have wins over VT and Clemson (and whose only loss is to a top 3 ND team) will get surpassed by a 1 loss PSU team who will not even play in the BIG10 championship and whose top win will be a Michigan team that will not be ranked by the end of the season.

There is clearly a bias against us this year. So you're probably right about that. That committee loves the SEC and Big 10 no matter what actually happens on the field.
 
Meaningless

not meaningless at all. The committee has pretty much just confirmed that a 1 loss ACC champion in Miami who will have wins over VT and Clemson (and whose only loss is to a top 3 ND team) will get surpassed by a 1 loss PSU team who will not even play in the BIG10 championship and whose top win will be a Michigan team that will not be ranked by the end of the season.

There is clearly a bias against us this year. So you're probably right about that. That committee loves the SEC and Big 10 no matter what actually happens on the field.

Disagree. We win out and win the ACC, no way we miss the playoffs. ****, we go 12-1 with our only loss to ND, we're in.

Have to win the ACC, though.
 
They have wins against good teams. Our big win is against Toledo.

So what? Do wins agains good teams erase losses to unranked teams? If so, you're going to have to explain to me why Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] [/URL] .


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You're asking why 6-2 Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ? You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you.

Don't dodge the question. If Clemson's win over at the time [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 7[/URL] Virginia Tech is enough to erase their loss to 3-3 Syracuse, why isn't Iowa State's win over #5 Oklahoma enough to erase their loss to Iowa? Why isn't their win over [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] TCU enough to erase their loss to Texas?

I'm simply asking that you apply the same standard, that a team with a loss to an unranked team can be ranked ahead of undefeated teams by having a quality win, across the board. And the reason it sounds insane when applied to Iowa State is because it is insane. You've just contorted your mind to accept it in the case of Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU.

When a team loses to an unranked team that is still struggling to get into a bowl game, their wins alone are not supposed to be enough to propel them ahead of P5 teams who have not yet lost. These rankings by the committee clearly indicate that we, nor Wisconsin, are being judged based on what we have done, but by what they expect to happen in the future. They expect Clemson and Ohio state to run the table while us and Wisconsin drop a few games.

That's the sham you are falling for. We're not being treated as an undefeated P5 team because the committee expects us to lose in the future, and there are plenty of porsters on this board who share that opinion.


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Who said anything about "erasing" losses? All of the teams ahead of us have looked better than us. Every objective person agrees with that.

The big question, though, is who the *&% cares? If we are 9-0 in 2.5 weeks, we will control our destiny. If we are 7-2 or 8-1, then the poll was correct. None of this matters.



No, this is where you are flat-out wrong.

The polls...and the CFP rankings...IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS...should be reflective of what has happened up to that point. No "projection". No arguments based on things that are outside the control of a team, such as "schedule" and "postponed games".

The issue that the people who actually SUPPORT UM have is very simple. The "criteria" are very subjective and they shift like the desert sands. I'll give you TWO examples.

The first is "who you played". Now, nobody can control when and where a team collapses and gives up on the season. When Alabama PLAYED F$U (or even better, when Alabama SCHEDULED F$U) they were given a ton of credit. Alabama can't control whether F$U collapses later in the season in a pile of ego and poor effort. Effectively, you are STEALING Alabama's accomplishment each week that F$U continues to lose. And, hey, let's even be more inconsistent...nobody points out that F$U's collapse began when their QB was injured...but suddenly, Clemson is being "forgiven" for its loss to Syracuse when...their QB was injured.

Heck, let's even take this in the other direction. RIGHT NOW, some porsters are sitting around patting themselves on their backs because we have the chance to beat two Top 15 teams over the next 10 days. But...let's say that after we beat VaTech (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), VaTech then loses to GaTech, Pitt, and UVa (entirely possible). That would make them 7-5. And let's say, that after we beat Notre Dame (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), they lose to Navy and Stanford (entirely possible). That would make them 8-4.

So here's the question...will we still get "credit" for beating those teams? We have already seen that Alabama has been stripped of their credit for beating a #3 F$U team, while Georgia is being given "extra credit" for beating Notre Dame (ND was unranked at the time). After all, nearly every single coach and writer who votes has consistently ranked Alabama ahead of Georgia, but now a committee of 13 pinheads led by the king pinhead Kirby Hocutt suddenly know more than everyone else who has been watching the whole season, and they give Georgia the edge because the ND win (in retrospect) looks soooo much better than the F$U win?

That is just nutty.

The second example of how ridiculous this system is (and cannot be rectified simply by "winning") is the selective way that the committee views "wins" and "losses" (you know, in a way separate than coaches, players, and fans do, which is that WINNING IS EVERYTHING). So, instead of giving credit to Miami for, you know, DOING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, WHICH IS WIN GAMES, we are now being told that our seven victories (five of which are conference victories) are not "good enough", while other schools are getting credit for the "quality" of their LOSSES. And even when you have the EASIEST and most OBVIOUS ability to compare (you know, how Clemson lost to Syracuse and then ONE WEEK LATER we beat Syracuse), that comparison is not even used.

So, instead, you have our current system. Where Kirby Hocutt goes into an interview and tells how SPIRITED the debate was. For WHAT? For the FIRST CFP ranking of the year? Are you ******* kidding me? Those guys spent TIME debating whether Georgia should be #1 over Alabama WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY EACH OTHER? This is beyond ridiculous.

So those CFP losers spent valuable time debating why they should put 2 undefeated teams at 9 and 10, and put SIX TEAMS that have actually LOST a game ahead of us?

I don't give a flying fvck whether Miami has had enough "impressive wins" or any other ridiculous variable. We have won. When we lose, knock us down to #25 if you want to. But FOR NOW, we have done what we have needed to do. WIN. F everything else.

Right now, the Top 4 should be Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Miami. Once you get a winner between Bama and Georgia, and Wisconsin and Miami play their championship games, THEN you can have a million "spirited arguments" over which 1 or 2 loss team is "more deserving".

But for now, we have played over half of our season (should be 2/3 if not for a hurricane) and we HAVE NOT LOST. We have earned Top 4 consideration, even if we lose it later.

F the AP voters, and F the CFP. THIRTEEN people (one of which is our FORMER AD, and one of which we routinely beat when he was coaching at VaTech, and THREE of which come from non-Power-Five institutions) are now telling us that we are #1 0, and that SIX teams that have lost would make the Final Four ahead of us?

I laugh at the dimwits who think that if we win the next two weeks, everything will be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But the one thing that I know for sure is that if VaTech and Notre Dame have collapses after they lose to Miami, we will be stripped of the credit for beating them. Just as we have been stripped of the credit for beating F$U.
 
Meaningless

not meaningless at all. The committee has pretty much just confirmed that a 1 loss ACC champion in Miami who will have wins over VT and Clemson (and whose only loss is to a top 3 ND team) will get surpassed by a 1 loss PSU team who will not even play in the BIG10 championship and whose top win will be a Michigan team that will not be ranked by the end of the season.

There is clearly a bias against us this year. So you're probably right about that. That committee loves the SEC and Big 10 no matter what actually happens on the field.

Of course there is. People don't think we're as good as the teams above us. That's the bias. There is a bias against every team that isn't #1 .
 
So what? Do wins agains good teams erase losses to unranked teams? If so, you're going to have to explain to me why Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] [/URL] .


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You're asking why 6-2 Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ? You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you.

Don't dodge the question. If Clemson's win over at the time [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 7[/URL] Virginia Tech is enough to erase their loss to 3-3 Syracuse, why isn't Iowa State's win over #5 Oklahoma enough to erase their loss to Iowa? Why isn't their win over [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] TCU enough to erase their loss to Texas?

I'm simply asking that you apply the same standard, that a team with a loss to an unranked team can be ranked ahead of undefeated teams by having a quality win, across the board. And the reason it sounds insane when applied to Iowa State is because it is insane. You've just contorted your mind to accept it in the case of Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU.

When a team loses to an unranked team that is still struggling to get into a bowl game, their wins alone are not supposed to be enough to propel them ahead of P5 teams who have not yet lost. These rankings by the committee clearly indicate that we, nor Wisconsin, are being judged based on what we have done, but by what they expect to happen in the future. They expect Clemson and Ohio state to run the table while us and Wisconsin drop a few games.

That's the sham you are falling for. We're not being treated as an undefeated P5 team because the committee expects us to lose in the future, and there are plenty of porsters on this board who share that opinion.


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Who said anything about "erasing" losses? All of the teams ahead of us have looked better than us. Every objective person agrees with that.

The big question, though, is who the *&% cares? If we are 9-0 in 2.5 weeks, we will control our destiny. If we are 7-2 or 8-1, then the poll was correct. None of this matters.



No, this is where you are flat-out wrong.

The polls...and the CFP rankings...IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS...should be reflective of what has happened up to that point. No "projection". No arguments based on things that are outside the control of a team, such as "schedule" and "postponed games".

The issue that the people who actually SUPPORT UM have is very simple. The "criteria" are very subjective and they shift like the desert sands. I'll give you TWO examples.

The first is "who you played". Now, nobody can control when and where a team collapses and gives up on the season. When Alabama PLAYED F$U (or even better, when Alabama SCHEDULED F$U) they were given a ton of credit. Alabama can't control whether F$U collapses later in the season in a pile of ego and poor effort. Effectively, you are STEALING Alabama's accomplishment each week that F$U continues to lose. And, hey, let's even be more inconsistent...nobody points out that F$U's collapse began when their QB was injured...but suddenly, Clemson is being "forgiven" for its loss to Syracuse when...their QB was injured.

Heck, let's even take this in the other direction. RIGHT NOW, some porsters are sitting around patting themselves on their backs because we have the chance to beat two Top 15 teams over the next 10 days. But...let's say that after we beat VaTech (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), VaTech then loses to GaTech, Pitt, and UVa (entirely possible). That would make them 7-5. And let's say, that after we beat Notre Dame (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), they lose to Navy and Stanford (entirely possible). That would make them 8-4.

So here's the question...will we still get "credit" for beating those teams? We have already seen that Alabama has been stripped of their credit for beating a #3 F$U team, while Georgia is being given "extra credit" for beating Notre Dame (ND was unranked at the time). After all, nearly every single coach and writer who votes has consistently ranked Alabama ahead of Georgia, but now a committee of 13 pinheads led by the king pinhead Kirby Hocutt suddenly know more than everyone else who has been watching the whole season, and they give Georgia the edge because the ND win (in retrospect) looks soooo much better than the F$U win?

That is just nutty.

The second example of how ridiculous this system is (and cannot be rectified simply by "winning") is the selective way that the committee views "wins" and "losses" (you know, in a way separate than coaches, players, and fans do, which is that WINNING IS EVERYTHING). So, instead of giving credit to Miami for, you know, DOING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, WHICH IS WIN GAMES, we are now being told that our seven victories (five of which are conference victories) are not "good enough", while other schools are getting credit for the "quality" of their LOSSES. And even when you have the EASIEST and most OBVIOUS ability to compare (you know, how Clemson lost to Syracuse and then ONE WEEK LATER we beat Syracuse), that comparison is not even used.

So, instead, you have our current system. Where Kirby Hocutt goes into an interview and tells how SPIRITED the debate was. For WHAT? For the FIRST CFP ranking of the year? Are you ******* kidding me? Those guys spent TIME debating whether Georgia should be #1 over Alabama WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY EACH OTHER? This is beyond ridiculous.

So those CFP losers spent valuable time debating why they should put 2 undefeated teams at 9 and 10, and put SIX TEAMS that have actually LOST a game ahead of us?

I don't give a flying fvck whether Miami has had enough "impressive wins" or any other ridiculous variable. We have won. When we lose, knock us down to #25 if you want to. But FOR NOW, we have done what we have needed to do. WIN. F everything else.

Right now, the Top 4 should be Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Miami. Once you get a winner between Bama and Georgia, and Wisconsin and Miami play their championship games, THEN you can have a million "spirited arguments" over which 1 or 2 loss team is "more deserving".

But for now, we have played over half of our season (should be 2/3 if not for a hurricane) and we HAVE NOT LOST. We have earned Top 4 consideration, even if we lose it later.

F the AP voters, and F the CFP. THIRTEEN people (one of which is our FORMER AD, and one of which we routinely beat when he was coaching at VaTech, and THREE of which come from non-Power-Five institutions) are now telling us that we are #1 0, and that SIX teams that have lost would make the Final Four ahead of us?

I laugh at the dimwits who think that if we win the next two weeks, everything will be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But the one thing that I know for sure is that if VaTech and Notre Dame have collapses after they lose to Miami, we will be stripped of the credit for beating them. Just as we have been stripped of the credit for beating F$U.

Nobody is reading all of that over something that doesn't matter. We control our own destiny. We will either win out and be in the playoffs, or we will lose one or two games and not be in the playoffs. You should focus this energy and passion on something you can control.
 
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TCU has a better win than we do. They beat Ok. St. on the road by 13. We don't have a single win against a team currently ranked in the CFP Top 25. It's not that hard to see the difference.

Wisconsin, I have no idea. No explanation there as to why we're behind them.

THEY LOST! ****! You don't start comparing quality wins and strength of schedules between two teams when one is an undefeated P5 team and the other has a loss to an unranked perennial cellar dweller.

Dude. Calm down. It's the first week of rankings.

As I've said a bunch of times in this thread, the Committee values GOOD WINS more than they do bad losses. That's been something they consistently have said since Day 1 of the **** rankings; otherwise, teams would schedule cupcakes and we'd have the BCS rankings all over again. So to answer your question, quality wins and strength of schedule ABSOLUTELY MATTER BETWEEN TWO TEAMS WHEN ONE TEAM IS AN UNDEFEATED POWER 5 TEAM.

It's week one of the rankings. Team's ahead of us, even with one loss, have better resumes than we do; that's just a fact. There's no question. Will this be the same by the end of the season? NO.

Let's see how things shake out before losing our minds over where we stand right now. If we beat VT and ND, there's no doubt we leapfrog the one loss teams. Right now, we don't have a case to do that.

What team has better "good wins" than Iowa State? That's the bull**** I'm talking about. Go back and watch the Syracuse v. Clemson game. Listen to the announcers and the halftime analysts. They were ready to give Clemson a pass in the 2nd quarter. They were already pretending that game didn't matter. #2 Clemson lost to a 2-3 unranked Syracuse and only dropped 5 places to 7th. They should have ended up around 15-17.

#3 FSU lost to #1 Alabama and dropped to 11th.

You're comparing apples to oranges. Iowa State has two losses; I don't think anyone would argue with you if a 2-loss team somehow jumped an undefeated Miami squad.

It is not apples to oranges. It is subjective criteria being applied when there is ample objective data that should render it meaningless. So maybe a 2 loss team with really good wins won't jump an undefeated team, but certainly if a 1 loss team can jump a 0 loss team with good wins, then certainly you'd have no problem placing that 2 loss team with really good wins ahead of some 1 loss teams with not so impressive wins, especially the 2 one loss teams they beat head up.

There's where your logic breaks down. If quality wins can put Oklahoma ahead of Miami, then surely quality wins should put Iowa State ahead of Oklahoma.
 
Meaningless

not meaningless at all. The committee has pretty much just confirmed that a 1 loss ACC champion in Miami who will have wins over VT and Clemson (and whose only loss is to a top 3 ND team) will get surpassed by a 1 loss PSU team who will not even play in the BIG10 championship and whose top win will be a Michigan team that will not be ranked by the end of the season.

There is clearly a bias against us this year. So you're probably right about that. That committee loves the SEC and Big 10 no matter what actually happens on the field.

Disagree. We win out and win the ACC, no way we miss the playoffs. ****, we go 12-1 with our only loss to ND, we're in.

Have to win the ACC, though.

If that scenario plays out you will be sitting in front of your TV watching Alabama play Oklahoma and Georgia play Ohio State in the playoffs. If we drop a game we need 3 of the top 4 to lose 2. That's the reality.
 
So what? Do wins agains good teams erase losses to unranked teams? If so, you're going to have to explain to me why Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] .


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You're asking why 6-2 Iowa State isn't #1 ? You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you.

Don't dodge the question. If Clemson's win over at the time #17 Virginia Tech is enough to erase their loss to 3-3 Syracuse, why isn't Iowa State's win over #5 Oklahoma enough to erase their loss to Iowa? Why isn't their win over #3 TCU enough to erase their loss to Texas?

I'm simply asking that you apply the same standard, that a team with a loss to an unranked team can be ranked ahead of undefeated teams by having a quality win, across the board. And the reason it sounds insane when applied to Iowa State is because it is insane. You've just contorted your mind to accept it in the case of Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU.

When a team loses to an unranked team that is still struggling to get into a bowl game, their wins alone are not supposed to be enough to propel them ahead of P5 teams who have not yet lost. These rankings by the committee clearly indicate that we, nor Wisconsin, are being judged based on what we have done, but by what they expect to happen in the future. They expect Clemson and Ohio state to run the table while us and Wisconsin drop a few games.

That's the sham you are falling for. We're not being treated as an undefeated P5 team because the committee expects us to lose in the future, and there are plenty of porsters on this board who share that opinion.


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Who said anything about "erasing" losses? All of the teams ahead of us have looked better than us. Every objective person agrees with that.

The big question, though, is who the *&% cares? If we are 9-0 in 2.5 weeks, we will control our destiny. If we are 7-2 or 8-1, then the poll was correct. None of this matters.

The point is that the poll is not supposed to take into account what might happen later. Those teams ahead of us looked better? Did you not watch that Clemson v. Syracuse ****show? How about Iowa State pushing in Sooner **** in Norman? How the ****, EXACTLY, have those teams looked better than us?

They looked better except for WHEN THEY LOST. Because of bias, some teams can lose and get the "yeah, but have you seen them have slugfests with other mediocre teams that we have overrated because of our own biases?".
 
Your break down is terrible as usual... We broke FSUs spirit they quit after that game just like we usually do after losing to them. But it fits your narrative to act like you were born yesterday when it comes to talking cfb. You think they were a 2 win team before the season started? Do projected 2 win teams get national championship hype before the season??

We broke their spirit? We were their third loss.

A win like that could've turned their season around.... a potentual 10 win season would've still been a possibility I they beat us. The media would've got back on their nuts if they beat us.

Right. 2-5 FSU could have been right back in the mix if not fo' da U.

When we beat them, their shot at the ACC was out the window, you ******* moron. Had they beaten us, they controlled their destiny in the ACC. They still would have had a 1v1 against Clemson and NC State. When we beat them, they're season ended. All of their goals were rendered unattainable.

God **** they're's some dense fools on this board.

Some of these gentlemen would have you believe that emotion and mindset has no bearing on how a college football team plays. They believe that FSU played as hard against BC as they did against us.
 
They looked better except for WHEN THEY LOST. Because of bias, some teams can lose and get the "yeah, but have you seen them have slugfests with other mediocre teams that we have overrated because of our own biases?".

Yeah, poor Miami. No one ever gives us any credit.

December 8, 1992

1. Miami (61)
2. Alabama (1)
 
So what? Do wins agains good teams erase losses to unranked teams? If so, you're going to have to explain to me why Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1][URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] [/URL] .


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You're asking why 6-2 Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ? You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you.

Don't dodge the question. If Clemson's win over at the time [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 7[/URL] Virginia Tech is enough to erase their loss to 3-3 Syracuse, why isn't Iowa State's win over #5 Oklahoma enough to erase their loss to Iowa? Why isn't their win over [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] TCU enough to erase their loss to Texas?

I'm simply asking that you apply the same standard, that a team with a loss to an unranked team can be ranked ahead of undefeated teams by having a quality win, across the board. And the reason it sounds insane when applied to Iowa State is because it is insane. You've just contorted your mind to accept it in the case of Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU.

When a team loses to an unranked team that is still struggling to get into a bowl game, their wins alone are not supposed to be enough to propel them ahead of P5 teams who have not yet lost. These rankings by the committee clearly indicate that we, nor Wisconsin, are being judged based on what we have done, but by what they expect to happen in the future. They expect Clemson and Ohio state to run the table while us and Wisconsin drop a few games.

That's the sham you are falling for. We're not being treated as an undefeated P5 team because the committee expects us to lose in the future, and there are plenty of porsters on this board who share that opinion.


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Who said anything about "erasing" losses? All of the teams ahead of us have looked better than us. Every objective person agrees with that.

The big question, though, is who the *&% cares? If we are 9-0 in 2.5 weeks, we will control our destiny. If we are 7-2 or 8-1, then the poll was correct. None of this matters.



No, this is where you are flat-out wrong.

The polls...and the CFP rankings...IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS...should be reflective of what has happened up to that point. No "projection". No arguments based on things that are outside the control of a team, such as "schedule" and "postponed games".

The issue that the people who actually SUPPORT UM have is very simple. The "criteria" are very subjective and they shift like the desert sands. I'll give you TWO examples.

The first is "who you played". Now, nobody can control when and where a team collapses and gives up on the season. When Alabama PLAYED F$U (or even better, when Alabama SCHEDULED F$U) they were given a ton of credit. Alabama can't control whether F$U collapses later in the season in a pile of ego and poor effort. Effectively, you are STEALING Alabama's accomplishment each week that F$U continues to lose. And, hey, let's even be more inconsistent...nobody points out that F$U's collapse began when their QB was injured...but suddenly, Clemson is being "forgiven" for its loss to Syracuse when...their QB was injured.

Heck, let's even take this in the other direction. RIGHT NOW, some porsters are sitting around patting themselves on their backs because we have the chance to beat two Top 15 teams over the next 10 days. But...let's say that after we beat VaTech (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), VaTech then loses to GaTech, Pitt, and UVa (entirely possible). That would make them 7-5. And let's say, that after we beat Notre Dame (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), they lose to Navy and Stanford (entirely possible). That would make them 8-4.

So here's the question...will we still get "credit" for beating those teams? We have already seen that Alabama has been stripped of their credit for beating a #3 F$U team, while Georgia is being given "extra credit" for beating Notre Dame (ND was unranked at the time). After all, nearly every single coach and writer who votes has consistently ranked Alabama ahead of Georgia, but now a committee of 13 pinheads led by the king pinhead Kirby Hocutt suddenly know more than everyone else who has been watching the whole season, and they give Georgia the edge because the ND win (in retrospect) looks soooo much better than the F$U win?

That is just nutty.

The second example of how ridiculous this system is (and cannot be rectified simply by "winning") is the selective way that the committee views "wins" and "losses" (you know, in a way separate than coaches, players, and fans do, which is that WINNING IS EVERYTHING). So, instead of giving credit to Miami for, you know, DOING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, WHICH IS WIN GAMES, we are now being told that our seven victories (five of which are conference victories) are not "good enough", while other schools are getting credit for the "quality" of their LOSSES. And even when you have the EASIEST and most OBVIOUS ability to compare (you know, how Clemson lost to Syracuse and then ONE WEEK LATER we beat Syracuse), that comparison is not even used.

So, instead, you have our current system. Where Kirby Hocutt goes into an interview and tells how SPIRITED the debate was. For WHAT? For the FIRST CFP ranking of the year? Are you ******* kidding me? Those guys spent TIME debating whether Georgia should be #1 over Alabama WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY EACH OTHER? This is beyond ridiculous.

So those CFP losers spent valuable time debating why they should put 2 undefeated teams at 9 and 10, and put SIX TEAMS that have actually LOST a game ahead of us?

I don't give a flying fvck whether Miami has had enough "impressive wins" or any other ridiculous variable. We have won. When we lose, knock us down to #25 if you want to. But FOR NOW, we have done what we have needed to do. WIN. F everything else.

Right now, the Top 4 should be Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Miami. Once you get a winner between Bama and Georgia, and Wisconsin and Miami play their championship games, THEN you can have a million "spirited arguments" over which 1 or 2 loss team is "more deserving".

But for now, we have played over half of our season (should be 2/3 if not for a hurricane) and we HAVE NOT LOST. We have earned Top 4 consideration, even if we lose it later.

F the AP voters, and F the CFP. THIRTEEN people (one of which is our FORMER AD, and one of which we routinely beat when he was coaching at VaTech, and THREE of which come from non-Power-Five institutions) are now telling us that we are #1 0, and that SIX teams that have lost would make the Final Four ahead of us?

I laugh at the dimwits who think that if we win the next two weeks, everything will be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But the one thing that I know for sure is that if VaTech and Notre Dame have collapses after they lose to Miami, we will be stripped of the credit for beating them. Just as we have been stripped of the credit for beating F$U.

God **** it. I was on a long streak of consecutive disagreements with you.
 
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But we escaped. We found a way to win when Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU couldn't.

You don't even think that's slightly ****ing ridiculous, that Clemson or OU could walk in with losses to unranked teams, but if we lose to ND, we can kiss our chances goodbye? What the **** is wrong with you? What do you not understand about this game? I we had gotten our asses handed to us by a 3-3 team nobody in their right mind would be talking about us.


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Winning doesn’t matter. Losing to perceived good teams matters more.

And beating the ever-loving sht out of bad teams means even more.

Is that what Wisconsin and TCU have done? We've had 20 point margins of victory in a few games. Is that not good enough?

TCU has a better win than we do. They beat Ok. St. on the road by 13. We don't have a single win against a team currently ranked in the CFP Top 25. It's not that hard to see the difference.

Wisconsin, I have no idea. No explanation there as to why we're behind them.

Did TCU lose? No matter what you guys want to say, losing games HAS to matter. TCU has one good win. And then they lost to an average Iowa State team with a walk-on QB who couldn't throw the ball anywhere near any receivers in the 2nd half.
 
You're asking why 6-2 Iowa State isn't [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] ? You're seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren't you.

Don't dodge the question. If Clemson's win over at the time [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 7[/URL] Virginia Tech is enough to erase their loss to 3-3 Syracuse, why isn't Iowa State's win over #5 Oklahoma enough to erase their loss to Iowa? Why isn't their win over [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=3]#3 [/URL] TCU enough to erase their loss to Texas?

I'm simply asking that you apply the same standard, that a team with a loss to an unranked team can be ranked ahead of undefeated teams by having a quality win, across the board. And the reason it sounds insane when applied to Iowa State is because it is insane. You've just contorted your mind to accept it in the case of Clemson, Oklahoma, and TCU.

When a team loses to an unranked team that is still struggling to get into a bowl game, their wins alone are not supposed to be enough to propel them ahead of P5 teams who have not yet lost. These rankings by the committee clearly indicate that we, nor Wisconsin, are being judged based on what we have done, but by what they expect to happen in the future. They expect Clemson and Ohio state to run the table while us and Wisconsin drop a few games.

That's the sham you are falling for. We're not being treated as an undefeated P5 team because the committee expects us to lose in the future, and there are plenty of porsters on this board who share that opinion.


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Who said anything about "erasing" losses? All of the teams ahead of us have looked better than us. Every objective person agrees with that.

The big question, though, is who the *&% cares? If we are 9-0 in 2.5 weeks, we will control our destiny. If we are 7-2 or 8-1, then the poll was correct. None of this matters.



No, this is where you are flat-out wrong.

The polls...and the CFP rankings...IF YOU ARE GOING TO DO THEM ON A WEEKLY BASIS...should be reflective of what has happened up to that point. No "projection". No arguments based on things that are outside the control of a team, such as "schedule" and "postponed games".

The issue that the people who actually SUPPORT UM have is very simple. The "criteria" are very subjective and they shift like the desert sands. I'll give you TWO examples.

The first is "who you played". Now, nobody can control when and where a team collapses and gives up on the season. When Alabama PLAYED F$U (or even better, when Alabama SCHEDULED F$U) they were given a ton of credit. Alabama can't control whether F$U collapses later in the season in a pile of ego and poor effort. Effectively, you are STEALING Alabama's accomplishment each week that F$U continues to lose. And, hey, let's even be more inconsistent...nobody points out that F$U's collapse began when their QB was injured...but suddenly, Clemson is being "forgiven" for its loss to Syracuse when...their QB was injured.

Heck, let's even take this in the other direction. RIGHT NOW, some porsters are sitting around patting themselves on their backs because we have the chance to beat two Top 15 teams over the next 10 days. But...let's say that after we beat VaTech (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), VaTech then loses to GaTech, Pitt, and UVa (entirely possible). That would make them 7-5. And let's say, that after we beat Notre Dame (and maybe we injure THEIR QB), they lose to Navy and Stanford (entirely possible). That would make them 8-4.

So here's the question...will we still get "credit" for beating those teams? We have already seen that Alabama has been stripped of their credit for beating a #3 F$U team, while Georgia is being given "extra credit" for beating Notre Dame (ND was unranked at the time). After all, nearly every single coach and writer who votes has consistently ranked Alabama ahead of Georgia, but now a committee of 13 pinheads led by the king pinhead Kirby Hocutt suddenly know more than everyone else who has been watching the whole season, and they give Georgia the edge because the ND win (in retrospect) looks soooo much better than the F$U win?

That is just nutty.

The second example of how ridiculous this system is (and cannot be rectified simply by "winning") is the selective way that the committee views "wins" and "losses" (you know, in a way separate than coaches, players, and fans do, which is that WINNING IS EVERYTHING). So, instead of giving credit to Miami for, you know, DOING WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY THERE TO DO, WHICH IS WIN GAMES, we are now being told that our seven victories (five of which are conference victories) are not "good enough", while other schools are getting credit for the "quality" of their LOSSES. And even when you have the EASIEST and most OBVIOUS ability to compare (you know, how Clemson lost to Syracuse and then ONE WEEK LATER we beat Syracuse), that comparison is not even used.

So, instead, you have our current system. Where Kirby Hocutt goes into an interview and tells how SPIRITED the debate was. For WHAT? For the FIRST CFP ranking of the year? Are you ******* kidding me? Those guys spent TIME debating whether Georgia should be #1 over Alabama WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY EACH OTHER? This is beyond ridiculous.

So those CFP losers spent valuable time debating why they should put 2 undefeated teams at 9 and 10, and put SIX TEAMS that have actually LOST a game ahead of us?

I don't give a flying fvck whether Miami has had enough "impressive wins" or any other ridiculous variable. We have won. When we lose, knock us down to #25 if you want to. But FOR NOW, we have done what we have needed to do. WIN. F everything else.

Right now, the Top 4 should be Alabama, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Miami. Once you get a winner between Bama and Georgia, and Wisconsin and Miami play their championship games, THEN you can have a million "spirited arguments" over which 1 or 2 loss team is "more deserving".

But for now, we have played over half of our season (should be 2/3 if not for a hurricane) and we HAVE NOT LOST. We have earned Top 4 consideration, even if we lose it later.

F the AP voters, and F the CFP. THIRTEEN people (one of which is our FORMER AD, and one of which we routinely beat when he was coaching at VaTech, and THREE of which come from non-Power-Five institutions) are now telling us that we are #1 0, and that SIX teams that have lost would make the Final Four ahead of us?

I laugh at the dimwits who think that if we win the next two weeks, everything will be fine. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But the one thing that I know for sure is that if VaTech and Notre Dame have collapses after they lose to Miami, we will be stripped of the credit for beating them. Just as we have been stripped of the credit for beating F$U.

Nobody is reading all of that over something that doesn't matter. We control our own destiny. We will either win out and be in the playoffs, or we will lose one or two games and not be in the playoffs. You should focus this energy and passion on something you can control.

If you're not going to read an argument, then don't ******* respond to it, especially when you don't think it matters.
 
Simple. Clemson has beaten Auburn and VT, two top 15 teams, and are currently 4-0 against Top 30 teams. Our best win is Toledo.

The loss against Syracuse is meaningless until Clemson loses again, unfortunately. OSU won the national championship the year they lost to a 7-6 VT team. Good wins trump a bad loss in the committee's mind; you just need to get used to that.

Then how is PSU ranked ahead of Miami?

Because they're 3-1 against Top 30 teams and lost by 1 on the road to the team ranked #6 .

How do you figure they are 3-1 against teams in the top 30? From what i see, the only teams they've played in the top 30 are OSU and Mich and they split them. They also have a last second win over a pretty average Iowa team that everyone seems to forget. Miami is 1-0 against teams in the top 30.

I get my rankings from Sagarin, which the Committee says it uses in looking at strength of schedule.

PSU beat Michigan (#22 in Sagarin), Iowa (#27) and Northwestern (#30).

LOL at those Ped State wins. None of those teams would beat even Toledo. And they'd all lose to Syracuse by 21.
 
If you're not going to read an argument, then don't ****ing respond to it, especially when you don't think it matters.

I'm not interested enough to read some biased dissertation as to why Miami's ranking REALLY MATTERS on November 1st. If he can't make his point in a paragraph, then I know he's way too emotional over all of this.
 
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