CFB Playoff show

[CANEFAN83]

it was on espn.com reporting that Clemson may still get in the playoff even if they lose to Miami and having 2 losses compared to Miami's one. IF that happens, then throw the whole playoff system out the window, it is a joke. IF Miami wins, they should be in, and there should be no dispute.

 

[jerive31]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

When teams are on common standing (i.e. record), the committee’s own guidelines from the P5 commissioners is to consider conference championships first, then H2H. It’s not binding by any means, but that is the first “tiebreaker.”


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[jerive31]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

The media may be overplaying the OSU angle for dramatic effect (and knowing Delaney, B1G commish, is powerful) but that Iowa ugly loss is hanging around their neck and they can’t shake that. That 31-0 drubbing last year won’t help. I think AL gets the nod over OSU in any situation.

Interesting is the committee’s refusal to acknowledge Clemson losses. When Clemson loses this weekend they can still get in with two (ghost) “losses”? Over 1-loss AL and WI (assuming they failed to win conference like Clemson)? This would scream “We give special nods to past champions and cult of personality coaches!” (How come they’re not factoring in that UGA would have lost to the same team that some say is the best in the country twice? Why do UGA losses count?)

I don’t want UGA, AL, OSU or Clemson in the final 4. OK/Auburn, WI, Miami. Almost prefer Auburn to be #1 because they will choose New Orleans to play Miami. Don’t know what OK would do, they could choose Sugar or Rose. B1G fans are used to the Rose Bowl.

The 1 seed will be in the Sugar Bowl based on distance from site to school. This particular year, all of the contenders are closer to New Orleans than Pasadena. There is no choice involved.


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[jerive31]

it was on espn.com reporting that Clemson may still get in the playoff even if they lose to Miami and having 2 losses compared to Miami's one. IF that happens, then throw the whole playoff system out the window, it is a joke. IF Miami wins, they should be in, and there should be no dispute.

Clemson wouldn’t get in over Miami, but rather over (potentially) Alabama/Ohio State in addition to Miami depending on how other games play out.


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[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

When teams are on common standing (i.e. record), the committee’s own guidelines from the P5 commissioners is to consider conference championships first, then H2H. It’s not binding by any means, but that is the first “tiebreaker.”


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We get that. The issue is the committee isn’t terribly consistent.

Look at PSU in 2016. Close loss at Pitt (Pitt also beat Clemson) and murdered by a good Michigan team with 20+ starters who aren’t on the team this year. All early losses. They won seven straight, including OSU along the way, yet OSU still got the nod - even though they didn’t play in the conference championship.

Champion-PSU
head to head-PSU
Losses-OSU (2:1)

The equivalent would be putting Alabama in over Auburn this year (more or less; admittedly there are differences).

 

[ThomasM]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

When teams are on common standing (i.e. record), the committee’s own guidelines from the P5 commissioners is to consider conference championships first, then H2H. It’s not binding by any means, but that is the first “tiebreaker.”


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Seeing as how we'd own EVERY tie breaker over Clemson if we win, I can't imagine them leaving us out in favor of Clemson. My concern would be Alabama sliding in ahead of us, even though we'd be conference champs, and have two wins against top teams.

For the life of my I do not understand how Clemson's loss to Syracuse is so forgivable, while ours, without our star RB, hobbled WR, and basically a backup QB all year gets NO grace.

 

[swampcougar1]

How do other teams get so much sympathy because they had a player or 2 out for a game Our starting running back out for the season. As many as 4 other starters out for a game and 2 of 3 out for a few games.Herndon did not finish Pitt. game. Best wide receive playing hurt all year. Not once any sympathy shown for any Cane injuries by the talking heads

 

[jerive31]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

When teams are on common standing (i.e. record), the committee’s own guidelines from the P5 commissioners is to consider conference championships first, then H2H. It’s not binding by any means, but that is the first “tiebreaker.”


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We get that. The issue is the committee isn’t terribly consistent.

Look at PSU in 2016. Close loss at Pitt (Pitt also beat Clemson) and murdered by a good Michigan team with 20+ starters who aren’t on the team this year. All early losses. They won seven straight, including OSU along the way, yet OSU still got the nod - even though they didn’t play in the conference championship.

Champion-PSU
head to head-PSU
Losses-OSU (2:1)

The equivalent would be putting Alabama in over Auburn this year (more or less; admittedly there are differences).

Forget about past years. This year, they’ve been consistent with Clemson. To the committee, whether you, me, or others think is right or not, they’ve excused the Syracuse loss, so a loss to us, a playoff-bound team, would be a good loss, combined with all of their good wins (including Auburn), would present a case where they will likely, based on what they’ve done this year, slide Clemson into the 4.

It’s all based on a particular scenario that may not play out. Oklahoma and Wisconsin may win which renders this speculation moot. All I’m saying is don’t be surprised if there’s carnage and neither Ohio State/Alabama make it. Just my opinion.


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[jackbenimble71]

they say no one knows the rankings until they are posted on the tv show. even the announcers don't know hogwash. Herbstreit at the start of the show already arranged the helmets in the background shelf at his house of the top 6 before they were even announced.

 

[Tetragrammaton Cane]

Ohio State's path to the playoff requires them beating Wisconsin, Oklahoma losing to TCU, and a prayer.

We beat Clemson in a close game, Clemson's getting in if one of Wisconsin or Oklahoma loses. That means the final spot comes down to Alabama/Oklahoma/Ohio State.

The committee has shown all year they don't like Oklahoma's defense, so even though they beat Ohio State, I think the Sooners would be out. Ohio State has the conf championship and at least 1 Top 10 win against the Badgers, so they'd probably get in, even over mighty Alabama.

All that madness happens, it'd be 1-SEC champ, 2-Miami, 3-Ohio State, 4-Clemson (to avoid the ACC rematch).

Go Canes.

I could see one tram getting in over bama. No way two teams get over saban


Ohio state is dead in the water, Oklahoma owns the tiebreaker head to head over Ohio state and H2H matters more than conference championship I would imagine

When teams are on common standing (i.e. record), the committee’s own guidelines from the P5 commissioners is to consider conference championships first, then H2H. It’s not binding by any means, but that is the first “tiebreaker.”


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We get that. The issue is the committee isn’t terribly consistent.

Look at PSU in 2016. Close loss at Pitt (Pitt also beat Clemson) and murdered by a good Michigan team with 20+ starters who aren’t on the team this year. All early losses. They won seven straight, including OSU along the way, yet OSU still got the nod - even though they didn’t play in the conference championship.

Champion-PSU
head to head-PSU
Losses-OSU (2:1)

The equivalent would be putting Alabama in over Auburn this year (more or less; admittedly there are differences).

Forget about past years. This year, they’ve been consistent with Clemson. To the committee, whether you, me, or others think is right or not, they’ve excused the Syracuse loss, so a loss to us, a playoff-bound team, would be a good loss, combined with all of their good wins (including Auburn), would present a case where they will likely, based on what they’ve done this year, slide Clemson into the 4.

It’s all based on a particular scenario that may not play out. Oklahoma and Wisconsin may win which renders this speculation moot. All I’m saying is don’t be surprised if there’s carnage and neither Ohio State/Alabama make it. Just my opinion.


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Ok, we’re in agreement, completely. I mentioned earlier in the thread that all of Clemson loss(es) are being discounted.

 

[monkey1371]

For the life of my I do not understand how Clemson's loss to Syracuse is so forgivable, while ours, without our star RB, hobbled WR, and basically a backup QB all year gets NO grace.

What do you mean by "Backup QB all year"? Who was the starter that go injured?

Your mad that the committee seems to favor Clemson....OK....But

If one team is getting favored.....that means another is getting screwed......Who is getting screwed and why?

Can't say us.......5 teams ahead of us you can easily make a clear cut argument that they deserve to be ahead of us at this point....only #6 UGA is not clear cut.

 

[ThomasM]

For the life of my I do not understand how Clemson's loss to Syracuse is so forgivable, while ours, without our star RB, hobbled WR, and basically a backup QB all year gets NO grace.

What do you mean by "Backup QB all year"? Who was the starter that go injured?

Your mad that the committee seems to favor Clemson....OK....But

If one team is getting favored.....that means another is getting screwed......Who is getting screwed and why?

Can't say us.......5 teams ahead of us you can easily make a clear cut argument that they deserve to be ahead of us at this point....only #6 UGA is not clear cut.

I don't think Rosier was ever meant to be the starter here, do you? Kaaya left early, inexplicably, and SOMEONE had to be the starter.

As for who is getting screwed. Well, Clemson is #1 while we are #7 , with similar wins and losses. You don't think that's a ********?

 

[TheU1984]

7 is fair after that Friday game. If we beat Clemson, anything outside of the top 4 would be unfair. That easy.

 

[NJshoreCane]

They lost to a team that lost to Troy.

With an undefeated Big 10 and 1 loss Big 12 school behind them and Miami at 7 with a better loss than #1 .

Dude, UNC beat Pitt... that loss was pathetic, and not better than clemson losing to syracuse with their backup qb....

At this point, it doesnt matter! Win and we’re in!

LOL at excusing Clemson's loss because Kelly Bryant got hurt.

Dude isn't Baker Mayfield. No excuses to lose a game to a 4-8 team. None.

Pot meet kettle.

No one is excusing Miam's loss to Pitt. We're paying dearly for it. People are walking Clemson's loss off because Bryant was hurt.

Clemson was in trouble before Kelly got hurt. Their D was average that day.

 

[ThomasM]

7 is fair after that Friday game. If we beat Clemson, anything outside of the top 4 would be unfair. That easy.

Yet a loss to a team we beat is excused, because it happened.... in the same season? That's a head scratcher.

 

[monkey1371]

For the life of my I do not understand how Clemson's loss to Syracuse is so forgivable, while ours, without our star RB, hobbled WR, and basically a backup QB all year gets NO grace.

What do you mean by "Backup QB all year"? Who was the starter that go injured?

Your mad that the committee seems to favor Clemson....OK....But

If one team is getting favored.....that means another is getting screwed......Who is getting screwed and why?

Can't say us.......5 teams ahead of us you can easily make a clear cut argument that they deserve to be ahead of us at this point....only #6 UGA is not clear cut.

I don't think Rosier was ever meant to be the starter here, do you? Kaaya left early, inexplicably, and SOMEONE had to be the starter.

As for who is getting screwed. Well, Clemson is #1 while we are #7 , with similar wins and losses. You don't think that's a ********?

Kaaya left last year......So the committee should cut us slack because Rosier was the best QB we have on the roster starting the season? That is a weak argument.

It is not ********.....It is similar losses.....not wins.

Best Wins......
Clemson has a win over #2 Auburn. We have a win over #15 Notre Dame (Both at Home).....Advantage Clemson
Clemson beat VT at VT by 14. We beat VT at home by 18. Advantage Clemson (road win)

Also Road wins.
Clemson
9-3 VT by 14 points
8-4 Louisville by 26 points
8-4 NC State by 14 points
8-4 South Carolina by 24 points

Miami Road wins
5-6 FSU by 4 points
6-6 Duke by 25 points
3-9 UNC by 5 points

Are you going to still argue it is similar wins? Pretty obvious it is not.


It is not similar wins and losses.....It is similar losses.

 

[ThomasM]

For the life of my I do not understand how Clemson's loss to Syracuse is so forgivable, while ours, without our star RB, hobbled WR, and basically a backup QB all year gets NO grace.

What do you mean by "Backup QB all year"? Who was the starter that go injured?

Your mad that the committee seems to favor Clemson....OK....But

If one team is getting favored.....that means another is getting screwed......Who is getting screwed and why?

Can't say us.......5 teams ahead of us you can easily make a clear cut argument that they deserve to be ahead of us at this point....only #6 UGA is not clear cut.

I don't think Rosier was ever meant to be the starter here, do you? Kaaya left early, inexplicably, and SOMEONE had to be the starter.

As for who is getting screwed. Well, Clemson is #1 while we are #7 , with similar wins and losses. You don't think that's a ********?

Kaaya left last year......So the committee should cut us slack because Rosier was the best QB we have on the roster starting the season? That is a weak argument.

It is not ********.....It is similar losses.....not wins.

Best Wins......
Clemson has a win over #2 Auburn. We have a win over #15 Notre Dame (Both at Home).....Advantage Clemson
Clemson beat VT at VT by 14. We beat VT at home by 18. Advantage Clemson (road win)

Also Road wins.
Clemson
9-3 VT by 14 points
8-4 Louisville by 26 points
8-4 NC State by 14 points
8-4 South Carolina by 24 points

Miami Road wins
5-6 FSU by 4 points
6-6 Duke by 25 points
3-9 UNC by 5 points

Are you going to still argue it is similar wins? Pretty obvious it is not.


It is not similar wins and losses.....It is similar losses.

No schedule will EVER be perfectly even, and you know this. That's why you compare similar results. They lost to Syracuse, and we beat them. Even AFTER that, they were keeping Clemson ahead of us, even with our undefeated record at the time. Also... Auburn lost to LSU, who lost to TROY. Could it be, just maybe, that the SEC was vastly over rated? Troy beat LSU AT LSU, and LSU beat Auburn. That tells me something about Auburn. So, Auburn beat Georgia and Alabama. Who did Alabama beat? Who did Georgia beat? Georgia beat the same ND team by one that we beat by 33. So, how good is Georgia really? Seems to me the SEC is getting WAY too much credit for beating up on itself, while really proving NOTHING OOC. So really, Clemson beating Auburn means little to me. All it tells me is the SEC is over rated because they don't actually beat OOC teams.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Clemson lost to Syracuse without Bryant.

Miami beat Syracuse without Walton

Media are real good at finding excuses

Not excusing it but our win without Walton is irrelevant because he's out for the year.

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[ThomasM]

Clemson lost to Syracuse without Bryant.

Miami beat Syracuse without Walton

Media are real good at finding excuses

Not excusing it but our won without Walton is irrelevant because he's out for the year.

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So our best player being out for the year is less impactful than their QB being out one game?

 

[GenericYesMan]

I'd have no problems with 2 loss Clemson or 2 loss Ohio State going in over 1 loss Alabama.

2 loss Miami should go in over 1 loss Alabama too, but we wouldn't even be in the discussion because we're Miami.

Alabama got their doors blown off in their only tough game of the year, their resume is trash.