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Can Duke Johnson make Heisman move? (ESPN)

tru2c said:
Jassid82 said:
dycane said:
Pimp Tight said:
Duke is having great season. However, 90, 93 and 100 yards against our best opponents (all losses) thus far is not Heisman worthy.
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Our last running back who made it to New York sh*t the bed against the best opponent he faced that year; and he, unlike Duke, was surrounded with one of the greatest collection of skill players in CFB history and a Heisman finalist at quarterback. But for Willis's screen pass against FSU (which, by the way, he got run down on), his performance against FSU was pedestrian at best. Duke almost had more yards rushing against FSU last year in the first half than Willis had in the 2002 game against FSU. Willis boosted his stats against doormats like Rutgers, Syracuse, BC, and a ****ty V Tech team. Revisionist history is a common theme on this board. The comparison here is no slight on Willis and his amazing 2002 year. Rather, it serves to bring come context to Duke's performance this year. Comparatively speaking, this team, including the o line, is sh*t compared to Miami's 2002 squad. Every opponent on our schedule is keyed to stop Duke. No team in 2002 could afford to key on Willis because there were a few other players you might remember at tight end and WR receiving passes from another guy you might remember.
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I like the comparison and I get your point..but Willis (pound for pound) was the biggest freak we have ever seen at the RB position at UM and one of the top 3 freaks in UM history. (Sean Taylor and Warren Sapp are the other two)

I just had a slight problem with the direction of the post. Willis was a man child that year. No need to slight him to make the point that Duke is a monster.

But I get your point and I for one think that Duke is headed for NY if he keeps this pace up. And he will deserve it.
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didnt follow the canes nearly as closely then as i do now...why was it that willis struggled against fsu before that screen pass? was our OL weaker than the year before? was it the same issue that led to us not crushing ohio state in the national championship?
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Our OL was overrated that year. They were in the shadow of the great wall in 2001 but they just were not as good.

Also, FSU front 7 that year had some monsters on it. And OSU just man-handled our Oline all game. Kinda like how UL did us this year and Duke was rendered useless.

People here have short memories. All of a sudden Willis was overrated and was the product of the Oline! Lol. Like Portis wasnt running behind that 2001 group! Smh.
 
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what duke is doing on limited touches is amazing. like one poster stated, avg a 1st down per carry in fbs football???? outstanding. that along should merrit a heisman trip.
 
Abdullah was held to 40 something yards on like 25 carries against Michigan St, that doesn't seem to be stopping him in the Heisman race. So when Duke gets 90 yards rushing against UL, the #1 defense in the country, it's not good enough. Classic bias against Miami.
 
Duke gashed all those teams we lost to. Our defense inability to get off the field limited his touches. No fault of his
 
terdferguson said:
dycane said:
Pimp Tight said:
Duke is having great season. However, 90, 93 and 100 yards against our best opponents (all losses) thus far is not Heisman worthy.
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Our last running back who made it to New York sh*t the bed against the best opponent he faced that year; and he, unlike Duke, was surrounded with one of the greatest collection of skill players in CFB history and a Heisman finalist at quarterback. But for Willis's screen pass against FSU (which, by the way, he got run down on), his performance against FSU was pedestrian at best. Duke almost had more yards rushing against FSU last year in the first half than Willis had in the 2002 game against FSU. Willis boosted his stats against doormats like Rutgers, Syracuse, BC, and a ****ty V Tech team. Revisionist history is a common theme on this board. The comparison here is no slight on Willis and his amazing 2002 year. Rather, it serves to bring come context to Duke's performance this year. Comparatively speaking, this team, including the o line, is sh*t compared to Miami's 2002 squad. Every opponent on our schedule is keyed to stop Duke. No team in 2002 could afford to key on Willis because there were a few other players you might remember at tight end and WR receiving passes from another guy you might remember.
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Interesting post. Willis also sucked against Ohio State before he got injured. I've always thought that Willis was overrated by our fans.
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Yup...you just went too far
 
Jassid82 said:
tru2c said:
Jassid82 said:
dycane said:
Pimp Tight said:
Duke is having great season. However, 90, 93 and 100 yards against our best opponents (all losses) thus far is not Heisman worthy.
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Our last running back who made it to New York sh*t the bed against the best opponent he faced that year; and he, unlike Duke, was surrounded with one of the greatest collection of skill players in CFB history and a Heisman finalist at quarterback. But for Willis's screen pass against FSU (which, by the way, he got run down on), his performance against FSU was pedestrian at best. Duke almost had more yards rushing against FSU last year in the first half than Willis had in the 2002 game against FSU. Willis boosted his stats against doormats like Rutgers, Syracuse, BC, and a ****ty V Tech team. Revisionist history is a common theme on this board. The comparison here is no slight on Willis and his amazing 2002 year. Rather, it serves to bring come context to Duke's performance this year. Comparatively speaking, this team, including the o line, is sh*t compared to Miami's 2002 squad. Every opponent on our schedule is keyed to stop Duke. No team in 2002 could afford to key on Willis because there were a few other players you might remember at tight end and WR receiving passes from another guy you might remember.
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I like the comparison and I get your point..but Willis (pound for pound) was the biggest freak we have ever seen at the RB position at UM and one of the top 3 freaks in UM history. (Sean Taylor and Warren Sapp are the other two)

I just had a slight problem with the direction of the post. Willis was a man child that year. No need to slight him to make the point that Duke is a monster.

But I get your point and I for one think that Duke is headed for NY if he keeps this pace up. And he will deserve it.
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didnt follow the canes nearly as closely then as i do now...why was it that willis struggled against fsu before that screen pass? was our OL weaker than the year before? was it the same issue that led to us not crushing ohio state in the national championship?
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Our OL was overrated that year. They were in the shadow of the great wall in 2001 but they just were not as good.

Also, FSU front 7 that year had some monsters on it. And OSU just man-handled our Oline all game. Kinda like how UL did us this year and Duke was rendered useless.

People here have short memories. All of a sudden Willis was overrated and was the product of the Oline! Lol. Like Portis wasnt running behind that 2001 group! Smh.
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If you're referring to me, then the point of my post zipped by your head like a Snicker's out route. Btw, the FSU front seven last year also had some monsters -- in fact, better ones than FSU's 2002 team. Duke was well on his way to an all-time performance against those monsters until he was injured. Willis was a beast. And if Duke was on that team instead of Willis, he too would have been a beast and in New York.
 
I know it's a long shot (not necessarily impossible), but how great would it be for Duke to win the Heisman RIGHT before The U: Part 2 debuted?

I could deal with that.
 
TheU1988 said:
I know it's a long shot (not necessarily impossible), but how great would it be for Duke to win the Heisman RIGHT before The U: Part 2 debuted?

I could deal with that.
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3 hour Miami Hurricane infomercial.

Would be very easy for Al Golden to walk into a home and recruit.
 
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TheU1988 said:
jerzeycane said:
TheU1988 said:
I know it's a long shot (not necessarily impossible), but how great would it be for Duke to win the Heisman RIGHT before The U: Part 2 debuted?

I could deal with that.
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3 hour Miami Hurricane infomercial.

Would be very easy for Al Golden to walk into a home and recruit.
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Sounds like some **** good television.
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That would be very cool. If he big game against FSU with a win and then closing out the season like he has been. He should get the invite.

I think even a big game against FSU and a loss won't get it done the way it's been so hard for the voters to accept him as it is. They generally don't like RB's anymore. A real coaching staff would have won him the Heisman along the way to an ACC championship.
 
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Pimp Tight said:
Duke is having great season. However, 90, 93 and 100 yards against our best opponents (all losses) thus far is not Heisman worthy.
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When he played Louisville they played 9 guys in the box the entire night daring Kaaya to beat them and Coley/Golden refused to open it up!

Against Nebraska and Gt, Miami barely had the ball! Although he did have a big fumble in Nebraska game!
 
Just imagine had he not gotten hurt last season. We beat Duke and VT and play in the ACC champ game. His stats would have been off the charts entering this year putting him in the Heisman conversation earlier than he is now. Would have made a lot more preseason watch lists.
 
CaneAlmighty said:
Just imagine had he not gotten hurt last season. We beat Duke and VT and play in the ACC champ game. His stats would have been off the charts entering this year putting him in the Heisman conversation earlier than he is now. Would have made a lot more preseason watch lists.
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90 points prevented us from winning those games.
 
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