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Calling For Coach Richt To Be Fired

ncncanes said:
Couldnt agree more --- no one in the top 25 wants this job
--- that is how we ended up with AG

We have done a poor job on OL - get that fixed in the next few years and we can get to the playoffs
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Well when you’re offering 1.8-2.5 million people aren’t beating down your door. Especially when some coordinators make close to that.

Miami just recently started giving a crap about the program.
 
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Tony Perps said:
Richt is not an elite coach, but he is a good coach. My hope with him is that he compiles enough talent to get over the hump one year. I wouldn’t say it’s likely, but coaches have had success at Miami that they have not had anywhere else.
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Is he going to make any coaching changes?
 
boxtonenyc said:
so much fail in this post its beyond belief.

OSU hadnt won a title in decades and when they got the right coach it took 2 seasons. Same with USC and UF. Bama was 3 seasons.

This idea that bc we havent won a title since 2001 means it will take 5+ years to come back is just not true at all.

Get the right coach and by year two or three you will have a championship level team. Pretty simple.

Mark Richt in year 3 wont even win the ACC. And this is a guy who has an established ceiling as a coach. But some idiots think hes magically going to be better here?
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And some idiots think that over the last 15 years Miami was a program with full scholarships, in good standing with NCAA, could play in Bowl games, and were so competitive the great athletes were lining up and knocking down the doors to get in. Urban Myere couldn't have done it, Saban coukdn;t have done it under those conditions. Oh yeah, and that the rest of College football didn't recruit the area like trains through Grand Central Station.

That's the same logic that gave us Randy Shanon and Golden.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Under Richt - Total Rush Attempts Per Run Game

2018 - 34 - 101st in the nation
2017 - 31.85 - 115th in the nation
2016 - 33.5 - 112th in the nation
2015 - 37 - 78th in the nation
2014 - 42 - 40th in the nation
2013 - 37 - 76th in the nation
2012 - 37 - 67th in the nation
2011 - 41 - 29th in the nation
2010 - 35 - 75th in the nation
2009 - 34 - 77th in the nation
2008 - 32 - 93rd in the nation

Shall I go on? Over the past decade, he's had exactly TWO seasons with above national average rush attempts per game. TWO.

Another CIS bozo hero worshipper instead of supporting the University and the U on that helmet. Get lost.
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We can't convert 3rd & 1; why should Richt run the ball all day?
 
Cribby said:
Well when you’re offering 1.8-2.5 million people aren’t beating down your door. Especially when some coordinators make close to that.

Miami just recently started giving a crap about the program.
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Look at what Taggart and Mullen are making. Would you say they have better or worse resumes than Richt? If Miami is going to pay a good salary, you can expect a good track record to justify it.

People are acting like Richt's experience is a negative because he hasn't won the National Championship. Personally, I can be happy to have an alumnus who not only donated money to the program, but has a good winning percentage to boot in a competitive conference.

My point being, don't expect us to throw 4 million at Dana Holgersen just because some fan thinks he's worth it.
 
TheEye said:
Look at what Taggart and Mullen are making. Would you say they have better or worse resumes than Richt? If Miami is going to pay a good salary, you can expect a good track record to justify it.

People are acting like Richt's experience is a negative because he hasn't won the National Championship. Personally, I can be happy to have an alumnus who not only donated money to the program, but has a good winning percentage to boot in a competitive conference.

My point being, don't expect us to throw 4 million at Dana Holgersen just because some fan thinks he's worth it.
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My point is Miami wasn’t even throwing average money at anyone for years , hence why nobody wanted the job.
 
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Cribby said:
My point is Miami wasn’t even throwing average money at anyone for years , hence why nobody wanted the job.
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You're not wrong. Edsall, Golden and Trestman weren't the options because we were dumping money.
 
Mahoney-Pearson said:
We can't convert 3rd & 1; why should Richt run the ball all day?
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Understandable.

I'm feeling lazy to explain myself coherently here, but try and follow. tl;dr...I'm not saying Miami should run on 3rd down, its 1st and 2nd down Miami should be running more. A less than coherent explanation below...

We aren't often even in a position to convert 3rd and 1s.

When we are, our power success rate (run attempts of 3rd/4th and 1/2 that are stuffed) is of the lowest in the nation in 2017. It was bad. I don't have the raw data in front of me, but our raw total here is likely very low...our personnel, especially on the interior, has been particularly poor, if I were to dole out blame.

One of these days, I'll run a full analysis and acquire some data, but I'd hypothesize we far too often are in 3rd and 8, 3rd and 7, 3rd and 11. For example - against LSU, we averaged 3rd and 9 throughout the game. We'll run on first down, pick up 2-3, throw on second and long...and Rosier, being Rosier will throw something ridiculous incomplete...leaving us with 3rd and Rosier. I have a feeling that scenario happens far more than any of us would like to admit, but I don't have any data to back it up at the moment.

But you are right, when we are in 3rd and 4th and short, its stuffed pretty regularly last year. But that isn't what I care about.

Now, for some weird stats...because I suggest Miami should run more on 1st AND 2nd down.

Miami was pretty good (14th in the nation) in Opportunity Rate (a metric that measures a down of at least five yards where the RB gets at least five yards...an "offensive line does it job" metric). It tells me Miami should have run more on first and second down (and down and behind the sticks scenarios - ex: 2nd and 11) because they did very well. 43% of Miami's carries in a down and distance of five or more got at least five yards...thats very good. Alabama had 45%, Clemson 42%, Ohio State 46% for comparison. Miami is in good company. Miami should be running more on 1st and 2nd down...it'll set up Miami to avoid critical ****** 3rd down scenarios and it'll shorten the game in Miami's favor.

Miami doesn't string together a lot of long drives...only 163 total 3rd downs (T-111th in the nation)...TOP correlates this. I've been saying for a long time, Miami needs to run more to one...have more drives that eat up some clock. Miami is also near the bottom of the nation in 3 and outs. Somewhere around 25% in 2016 and 2017. I'd hyperbolize its because of what I stated above. Yeah, lack of 3rd and 1/2 run attempts and conversions is big here. There aren't many of them and the few we have had, are stuffed. But we also aren't putting our offense in a position to convert 3rd and short through the air either, and that, to me, is a big problem with the offense.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Understandable.

I'm feeling lazy to explain myself coherently here, but try and follow. tl;dr...I'm not saying Miami should run on 3rd down, its 1st and 2nd down Miami should be running more. A less than coherent explanation below...

We aren't often even in a position to convert 3rd and 1s.

When we are, our power success rate (run attempts of 3rd/4th and 1/2 that are stuffed) is of the lowest in the nation in 2017. It was bad. I don't have the raw data in front of me, but our raw total here is likely very low...our personnel, especially on the interior, has been particularly poor, if I were to dole out blame.

One of these days, I'll run a full analysis and acquire some data, but I'd hypothesize we far too often are in 3rd and 8, 3rd and 7, 3rd and 11. For example - against LSU, we averaged 3rd and 9 throughout the game. We'll run on first down, pick up 2-3, throw on second and long...and Rosier, being Rosier will throw something ridiculous incomplete...leaving us with 3rd and Rosier. I have a feeling that scenario happens far more than any of us would like to admit, but I don't have any data to back it up at the moment.

But you are right, when we are in 3rd and 4th and short, its stuffed pretty regularly last year. But that isn't what I care about.

Now, for some weird stats...because I suggest Miami should run more on 1st AND 2nd down.

Miami was pretty good (14th in the nation) in Opportunity Rate (a metric that measures a down of at least five yards where the RB gets at least five yards...an "offensive line does it job" metric). It tells me Miami should have run more on first and second down (and down and behind the sticks scenarios - ex: 2nd and 11) because they did very well. 43% of Miami's carries in a down and distance of five or more got at least five yards...thats very good. Alabama had 45%, Clemson 42%, Ohio State 46% for comparison. Miami is in good company. Miami should be running more on 1st and 2nd down...it'll set up Miami to avoid critical ****** 3rd down scenarios and it'll shorten the game in Miami's favor.

Miami doesn't string together a lot of long drives...only 163 total 3rd downs (T-111th in the nation)...TOP correlates this. I've been saying for a long time, Miami needs to run more to one...have more drives that eat up some clock. Miami is also near the bottom of the nation in 3 and outs. Somewhere around 25% in 2016 and 2017. I'd hyperbolize its because of what I stated above. Yeah, lack of 3rd and 1/2 run attempts and conversions is big here. There aren't many of them and the few we have had, are stuffed. But we also aren't putting our offense in a position to convert 3rd and short through the air either, and that, to me, is a big problem with the offense.
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Most D-cords are gonna play run 1st & 2nd. The reason for our success running is because Richt schemes it up with draws or on non-obvious running downs. Our o-line still isn't where it needs to be to push teams off the ball and to me we're still about a 1-2 years away from being able to do that. Hopefully some of the young guys we have develop and we can continue to land high-end plug and play recruits like Neal, who would go a long way toward solidifying our rotation.

As far as Rosier, he's too limited to compensate for the short-comings of the o-line and I hope we see a more fluid rotation at QB moving forward.

As much criticism as Richt takes I'm looking forward to what he does with the QBs over the next several games and look forward to seeing Jarren with the 1s.
 
simplycanes said:
So basically you have nothing to add. The usual. I presented you facts out of an attempt to engage you in a real conversation about what is actually going on with our fan base, the team and this board but as usual you deny yourself the opportunity.

I know you post out of an absurd need for self-importance and vanity so I don't expect any different. But, please stop trying to tell us, or merely imply that you have some level of personal success of the rest of us don't. I assure you, you do not.

Since you want to play that game, you're more than welcome to join me at any football game on our schedule, I'm sure you'll be more than impressed with where and among whom I'm able to sit. We are amongst the largest supporters of this University. Offer stands.
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So, you've taken my comments and turned them into a **** measuring contest. Your insecurities force you to be intimidated simply because I was making an analogy that I believe fit the occasion. There wasn't an ounce of self-adulation. Nowhere did I reference my net worth, roster of influential associates/friends or that at one point I was the holder of 18 season tickets. Yet, it was you that
TimeB0mb said:
I was going to ignore this thread since OP clearly wants the attention (there are literally a dozen other threads on this topic, no need to start another, but creating a million redundant threads is OP's M.O.). However, the hyperbole is over the top in this one. Very few people are calling for Rick to be fired. Many people are instead calling for Rick to fire dead weight on his staff and hire an OC and sp teams coach. Dead weight includes Jr, Diaz, and Searles. If he doesn't, Rick is going down the same road Al Golden did and letting loyalty take precedence over winning. He'll end up getting himself fired, and fans will have little to do with it other than making an empty stadium very noticeable on TV.
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I am impressed! Rarely do you find someone who can string together countless sentences without even coming close to making one salient point. Your effort to impersonate a sub-moron is spot on....truly the work of an all-pro moron. I would be remiss if I didn't point out that you have absolutely not one clue about the inner workings of college football, which I have very confidence is a common refrain in every aspect of your worthless life.
Consigliere said:
Is it "unrealistic" to expect to beat teams with inferior talent (e.g. Pitt) or coaching? How many years does that take? How come Pete Carroll didn't need 2.5 recruiting classes to win a championship?

Also, how many years of recruiting does it take to make an obvious coaching change?

Good coaches win. Good coaches make changes and correct obvious issues. Good coaches don't hire their atrocious family members as coaches.



Is this a "cloud" sighting? Wow.



1. Winning Percentage? Seriously. We're trying to win the conference, make the playoffs and win championships.
2. Richt last won the conference (SEC) in 2005. Why didn't he do it again after that?
3. The SEC fielded 9/12 NCs but none of them were Richt. It isn't an accomplishment to lose to the champions. It really isn't an accomplishment to lose consistently to those champions.
4. You can't coach players after you're fired. And when he was coaching them, he wasn't getting it done either. It doesn't matter who the coach is at UGA because it isn't Richt anymore.
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1. How long does it take to make obvious coaching changes?
2. How long does it take until we routinely beat inferior teams?
3. Aren't there obvious issues that you're concerned with?[/QUOTE]

The Canes just beat a team 77 to 0 and you are ripping the Coach Richt/program. Even one of the ESPN talking heads said... "Beat a team 77 to 0 and I don't care who you are playing you are doing a lot of things right." You can't take even a few days off spewing hate to just enjoy the moment. It is my view that people like you don't really love the program, but have found a vehicle that allows you to complain and *****, which makes you feel better about your life. Again, 77 to 0 and your response is the shred Coach Richt. Partner, Richt is not the loser in this scenario...YOU ARE!!
 
TimeB0mb said:
I was going to ignore this thread since OP clearly wants the attention (there are literally a dozen other threads on this topic, no need to start another, but creating a million redundant threads is OP's M.O.). However, the hyperbole is over the top in this one. Very few people are calling for Rick to be fired. Many people are instead calling for Rick to fire dead weight on his staff and hire an OC and sp teams coach. Dead weight includes Jr, Diaz, and Searles. If he doesn't, Rick is going down the same road Al Golden did and letting loyalty take precedence over winning. He'll end up getting himself fired, and fans will have little to do with it other than making an empty stadium very noticeable on TV.
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He’d have to fire Thomas Brown as well.
 
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tcgrad1014 said:
Unless my math is wrong, there are 4 active head coaches in cfb who have won a national championship. Saban won his first in year 9. Urb in year 2 with a major program. Jimbo in year 4. Dabo in year 8.

Richt is in his 18th year of being a head coach at a major program. If it hasn't happened by now it isn't happening.

Richt is a B/B+ coach. He'll win 9 to 10 games a year. Our previous 3 hires had no major program HC experience and they all sucked. Richt was the safe, stable choice. But what you see is what you get.
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Best post I’ve seen in months.
 
Gatorhater said:
Here is the thing. Regardless of wether you like or dislike Mark, his coaching experience come from two places, FSU and UGA. Both showed tolerance for long serving coaches to continue to fail in the cruicial games that cost them NCs. Bowden would neve have lasted all those years before he was finally basically given and piety NC(the second one was deserved). UGA didn’t even know what a title was so Mark got a very run with nothing to show. He cannot help but be tainted by that. He thinks he has time but he doesn’t. This year’s upcoming recruiting class shows that.

If he does not get he *** in gear and make whatever chances will get results, regardless of his own thinking, he will be gone in two or three years. He needs to be a different Mark, because the old Mark just does not cut it. Maybe all this heat from fans so quick will wake him up to the fact that he is not some great success story by Miami standards. JJ did not bring the wishbone with him to Miami. Mark did bring his offense and it sucks. Many did the same thing, although he talks running Miami defense, in truth it is his failed Manny defense.

It is not the fans complaining about Mark that threaten his success, it is the echo camber of supporters who continue to pat him on the back and tell him his is doing good. We were on the verge on it all happening last year including monster fan response that turned the Rock into the old OB for ND on prime time. Did he grab that and drive it home, no. Instead we sit here with four nasty beat downs in a row. There will be no repeat of last years excellent recruiting class. Heck the early signing period saved that one. Aside from one great DT and a lucky surprise DT, who did Mark close on in February? LSU was the biggest game of Mark life and he didn’t even notice. That is the problem.
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The LSU game wasn't even the biggest game of his life as Cane's coach (ND, ACC Championship) let alone when he was at UGA (2012 SEC Championship).
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
I like Brown. Hes my second favorite coach after Dugans, but what he could do is fire Jon Richt and hire a good QB coach who would co-OC with Brown dealing with the run game and the new guy dealing with the passing game. Washington has 2 OCs that work like that.
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No. You can’t half *** it. If you’re going in that direction, then you have to fire or demote Brown and hire a full time OC. You liking Brown is irrelevant. Brown IS the OC.
 
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