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I watched USC somewhat neutralize a Utah DL that is one of the best in the nation by using wide OL splits. Then I watched central Michigan - who had Zero sacks against Akron and 1 against Wisconsin - punish our OL all day long.

Both of our tackles are turnstiles. Zion is criminally slow getting out of his stance. He needs help and he isn’t getting it from chipping or scheme thus far.

Of course, wider splits won’t help if we insist on staying under center and being play-action centric. Ive commented on it several times in the pre season and since... with this OL, we have no business being play action centric. We need more quick hitting passes. It took Richt dropping 4 straight games before he let Kaaya start getting it out quickly from the gun. Enos is proving to be just as stubborn.

Jarren is completing 70% of his passes, and hits guys in stride on the slant better than most guys around the nation. This in spite of being constantly pressured. Dallas has great vision and lateral footwork and would do well against any additional pressure up the middle created by wider splits. We need to do something. It can’t hurt to try.



Some other thoughts before rewatching:

-Gurvan almost concussed someone. He is a better striker than FS. Or at least a better SS than FS. He should be battling for Carters minutes. They play the same way, only Gurv is more athletic. Please get Bolden out there immediately vs Va Tech.

-Our Lack of a pass rush is quizzical. Garvin lacks pass rush moves, but maybe that’s cause he spent the summer learning how to drop into coverage. GR15 creates havoc, even though we insist on playing him inside and basically giving up all his natural leverage. 94 looks like a player. I haven’t noticed our DTs make a single play all season.

-CBs need to hit the jugs machine and run a zillion gassers after that performance.

-Besides the one Hedley held too long and got blocked, he looks pretty good. Strong leg. Will only improve. Just hope that delay rollout right thing doesn’t get predictable. Beamer might be gone, but VT special teams are elite in my mind until I see with my own eyes that they aren’t.

-Our WR blocking was a significant advantage the past few years and has all but disappeared. Clearly this was more of an emphasis of the last staff, and one of the only things they did well. This OL needs all the help it can get, and the WRs aren’t contributing as much as they are capable of.

-The delayed blitzes don’t get home. It’s brought up every week. No need to say more.

-But I will say more: Blake Baker stinks and his defense looks just like D’No’s. The loss of JJ and company obviously hurts, but he ruined our aggressive, downhill defense. Manny needs to take playcalling duties back.

More after I rewatch.
 
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Coming into this game, Central Michigan was 107th in the nation in sack rate, and 115th in standard down sack rate (sacks on plays that down and distance would define as running downs). 115th is misleading, however - this tied for dead last in the nation because they had ZERO coming into this game.

That Jarren was sacked 4 times is a complete indictment on Enos. They couldn’t get to Akron but they got to us.

Jarren Williams (or his holding it a tick too long or his alleged lack of a deep ball) is not our problem. As I’ve been saying for about 4 years now, it’s the OL. And as I’ve been saying for the same 4 years, you can’t gimmick and scheme around it when you need tough yards, as evidenced by almost getting shut down again at the goal line. But you CAN help scheme against it between the 20s, and Enos isn’t doing that.
 
This post is from another thread, and somewhat on topic. Posting here to keep all my comments & thoughts in 1 place.

scrantoncane said:
Jarren has been over 10 ypa the past 2 weeks. That would be good for top 10 in the country if carried out over the first 4 games. He was 8 vs UNC, and 7 vs UF in his first start. We still rank 41st nationally.

Dinking and dunking is fine if you are moving the chains and converting in the redzone. We are efficient but not explosive. You’d like to be both, but efficient has its benefits. For one, it keeps our awful defense off the field.

Additionally, there’s no time for slow developing plays or deep balls. Yes, the occasional go route or deep fade should be incorporated to keep defenses honest. But our OL can’t hold blocks and Enos won’t pass unless it’s off play action. I’d love to see our standard down pass rate that isn’t off play action. I’m not sure that stat is tracked anywhere, but I’d guess we have one of the lowest percentages in the nation. That leads to predictability, which leads to putting up a measly 17 against CM.
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Cam Harris had an awful game. He reminds me of Travis Homer in a sense. I said last year coming into the season that Dallas was the better RB based on the way our OL was constructed. When guys get pushed into the backfield constantly, you need a shifty RB that can move laterally.

Homer and Harris are both one cut and go guys. If the hole is there, it looks like they were shot out of a cannon. If there is no hole, they run into their OLineman’s back.
 
Some forgetting that Manny got job in January and had to piece together a staff. I expect some changes at end of season although not much consolation right now. Enos needs to quit experimenting and start using what will work for this team. Baker needs to tear the D a new one...Rousseau should play more. They have 2 weeks to shore up this mess or lose to VT. Played like they didn’t give a ****.
 
scrantoncane said:
Coming into this game, Central Michigan was 107th in the nation in sack rate, and 115th in standard down sack rate (sacks on plays that down and distance would define as running downs). 115th is misleading, however - this tied for dead last in the nation because they had ZERO coming into this game.

That Jarren was sacked 4 times is a complete indictment on Enos. They couldn’t get to Akron but they got to us.

Jarren Williams (or his holding it a tick too long or his alleged lack of a deep ball) is not our problem. As I’ve been saying for about 4 years now, it’s the OL. And as I’ve been saying for the same 4 years, you can’t gimmick and scheme around it when you need tough yards, as evidenced by almost getting shut down again at the goal line. But you CAN help scheme against it between the 20s, and Enos isn’t doing that.
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Some more stats:

Coming into the game, CM ranked 121st in the nation in opponents first downs per game (26.2). We had 16.

Coming into the game, they were 39th in the nation in opponents yards per carry, at a respectable 3.4 (they are now 19th at 2.8). They had a respectable run defense entering the game, even after giving up 199 to Wisconsin (4.6 per). Despite this, Enos ran it 34 times for 51 yards (1.5 per), which included a Dallas 11 yard run on the first drive.

After this game, CM ranks 100th in the nation in opponents yards per passing attempt. Despite this and our 1.5 ypc, Enos ran it 34 times and passed it 24 times. He played right into their skill set and failed to adjust. Stubborn.

I did expect Jarren to have time, based on their lack of a pass rush the first 3 weeks. But again, when you go play action all night while averaging 1.5 ypc, you aren’t doing your OL or QB and favors.
 
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scrantoncane said:
I watched USC somewhat neutralize a Utah DL that is one of the best in the nation by using wide OL splits. Then I watched central Michigan - who had Zero sacks against Akron and 1 against Wisconsin - punish our OL all day long.

Both of our tackles are turnstiles. Zion is criminally slow getting out of his stance. He needs help and he isn’t getting it from chipping or scheme thus far.

Of course, wider splits won’t help if we insist on staying under center and being play-action centric. Ive commented on it several times in the pre season and since... with this OL, we have no business being play action centric. We need more quick hitting passes. It took Richt dropping 4 straight games before he let Kaaya start getting it out quickly from the gun. Enos is proving to be just as stubborn.

Jarren is completing 70% of his passes, and hits guys in stride on the slant better than most guys around the nation. This in spite of being constantly pressured. Dallas has great vision and lateral footwork and would do well against any additional pressure up the middle created by wider splits. We need to do something. It can’t hurt to try.



Some other thoughts before rewatching:

-Gurvan almost concussed someone. He is a better striker than FS. Or at least a better SS than FS. He should be battling for Carters minutes. They play the same way, only Gurv is more athletic. Please get Bolden out there immediately vs Va Tech.

-Our Lack of a pass rush is quizzical. Garvin lacks pass rush moves, but maybe that’s cause he spent the summer learning how to drop into coverage. GR15 creates havoc, even though we insist on playing him inside and basically giving up all his natural leverage. 94 looks like a player. I haven’t noticed our DTs make a single play all season.

-CBs need to hit the jugs machine and run a zillion gassers after that performance.

-Besides the one Hedley held too long and got blocked, he looks pretty good. Strong leg. Will only improve. Just hope that delay rollout right thing doesn’t get predictable. Beamer might be gone, but VT special teams are elite in my mind until I see with my own eyes that they aren’t.

-Our WR blocking was a significant advantage the past few years and has all but disappeared. Clearly this was more of an emphasis of the last staff, and one of the only things they did well. This OL needs all the help it can get, and the WRs aren’t contributing as much as they are capable of.

-The delayed blitzes don’t get home. It’s brought up every week. No need to say more.

-But I will say more: Blake Baker stinks and his defense looks just like D’No’s. The loss of JJ and company obviously hurts, but he ruined our aggressive, downhill defense. Manny needs to take playcalling duties back.

More after I rewatch.
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Manny needs to take over play calling duties and hire a different DC.
 
Manny blew smoke about wanting an OC that was "cutting edge, and played fast, and innovative, and modern!"

Well, USC hired a Leach disciple and Air RAID proponent in Graham Harrell, a guy many of us had high on our list.

Manny hired a journeyman coach who runs a slow boring pro style offense.

And here we are.
 
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scrantoncane said:
I watched USC somewhat neutralize a Utah DL that is one of the best in the nation by using wide OL splits. Then I watched central Michigan - who had Zero sacks against Akron and 1 against Wisconsin - punish our OL all day long.

Both of our tackles are turnstiles. Zion is criminally slow getting out of his stance. He needs help and he isn’t getting it from chipping or scheme thus far.

Of course, wider splits won’t help if we insist on staying under center and being play-action centric. Ive commented on it several times in the pre season and since... with this OL, we have no business being play action centric. We need more quick hitting passes. It took Richt dropping 4 straight games before he let Kaaya start getting it out quickly from the gun. Enos is proving to be just as stubborn.

Jarren is completing 70% of his passes, and hits guys in stride on the slant better than most guys around the nation. This in spite of being constantly pressured. Dallas has great vision and lateral footwork and would do well against any additional pressure up the middle created by wider splits. We need to do something. It can’t hurt to try.



Some other thoughts before rewatching:

-Gurvan almost concussed someone. He is a better striker than FS. Or at least a better SS than FS. He should be battling for Carters minutes. They play the same way, only Gurv is more athletic. Please get Bolden out there immediately vs Va Tech.

-Our Lack of a pass rush is quizzical. Garvin lacks pass rush moves, but maybe that’s cause he spent the summer learning how to drop into coverage. GR15 creates havoc, even though we insist on playing him inside and basically giving up all his natural leverage. 94 looks like a player. I haven’t noticed our DTs make a single play all season.

-CBs need to hit the jugs machine and run a zillion gassers after that performance.

-Besides the one Hedley held too long and got blocked, he looks pretty good. Strong leg. Will only improve. Just hope that delay rollout right thing doesn’t get predictable. Beamer might be gone, but VT special teams are elite in my mind until I see with my own eyes that they aren’t.

-Our WR blocking was a significant advantage the past few years and has all but disappeared. Clearly this was more of an emphasis of the last staff, and one of the only things they did well. This OL needs all the help it can get, and the WRs aren’t contributing as much as they are capable of.

-The delayed blitzes don’t get home. It’s brought up every week. No need to say more.

-But I will say more: Blake Baker stinks and his defense looks just like D’No’s. The loss of JJ and company obviously hurts, but he ruined our aggressive, downhill defense. Manny needs to take playcalling duties back.

More after I rewatch.
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We keep talking about spending money on our staff, I laugh at that, but it amazing me how we seem to just bring in not so smart coaches!!! It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to coach man.

Love your post tho...program is just seems to be cursed.
 
WhatTheHell said:
Manny blew smoke about wanting an OC that was "cutting edge, and played fast, and innovative, and modern!"

Well, USC hired a Leach disciple and Air RAID proponent in Graham Harrell, a guy many of us had high on our list.

Manny hired a journeyman coach who runs a slow boring pro style offense.

And here we are.
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Yep another hire, yet another wrong hire!!!
 
Agree, with that OL, the quick hitting plays are really the only ones that have a chance. Similar to what I said under Richt, if it looks like there's room for the bubble screen we need to throw it every **** time.
 
RANDOM THOUGHT: am I the only one who loves when jimmy Johnson says “ THIS IS WHY YOU CAME TO MIAMI” every time he says that I just wanna run through a wall for him. NOW I DIGRESS 😆😆
 
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It's one of the few things i like about the air raid offense, the wide OL splits. I would do that if i were us make that distance to the QB just a bit bigger.
 
scrantoncane said:
I watched USC somewhat neutralize a Utah DL that is one of the best in the nation by using wide OL splits. Then I watched central Michigan - who had Zero sacks against Akron and 1 against Wisconsin - punish our OL all day long.

Both of our tackles are turnstiles. Zion is criminally slow getting out of his stance. He needs help and he isn’t getting it from chipping or scheme thus far.

Of course, wider splits won’t help if we insist on staying under center and being play-action centric. Ive commented on it several times in the pre season and since... with this OL, we have no business being play action centric. We need more quick hitting passes. It took Richt dropping 4 straight games before he let Kaaya start getting it out quickly from the gun. Enos is proving to be just as stubborn.

Jarren is completing 70% of his passes, and hits guys in stride on the slant better than most guys around the nation. This in spite of being constantly pressured. Dallas has great vision and lateral footwork and would do well against any additional pressure up the middle created by wider splits. We need to do something. It can’t hurt to try.



Some other thoughts before rewatching:

-Gurvan almost concussed someone. He is a better striker than FS. Or at least a better SS than FS. He should be battling for Carters minutes. They play the same way, only Gurv is more athletic. Please get Bolden out there immediately vs Va Tech.

-Our Lack of a pass rush is quizzical. Garvin lacks pass rush moves, but maybe that’s cause he spent the summer learning how to drop into coverage. GR15 creates havoc, even though we insist on playing him inside and basically giving up all his natural leverage. 94 looks like a player. I haven’t noticed our DTs make a single play all season.

-CBs need to hit the jugs machine and run a zillion gassers after that performance.

-Besides the one Hedley held too long and got blocked, he looks pretty good. Strong leg. Will only improve. Just hope that delay rollout right thing doesn’t get predictable. Beamer might be gone, but VT special teams are elite in my mind until I see with my own eyes that they aren’t.

-Our WR blocking was a significant advantage the past few years and has all but disappeared. Clearly this was more of an emphasis of the last staff, and one of the only things they did well. This OL needs all the help it can get, and the WRs aren’t contributing as much as they are capable of.

-The delayed blitzes don’t get home. It’s brought up every week. No need to say more.

-But I will say more: Blake Baker stinks and his defense looks just like D’No’s. The loss of JJ and company obviously hurts, but he ruined our aggressive, downhill defense. Manny needs to take playcalling duties back.

More after I rewatch.
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I *love* wider splits. It creates wider fishing lanes for RB’s and a wider edge when pass blocking. I think our current OL is athletic enough too, for the most part. Our past couple years’ OL were way to heavy and slow.
 
The source of the problem is the scheme.

You guys are going to drive yourselves insane trying to come up with a quick fix band-aid for this offense.

We are a Spread team with Spread personnel running a system that doesn't fit & doesn't work for us.
 
Mnhurricane said:
Right on every account. We are scratching our heads at every corches calls and somehow nobody on the team ever seems to improve. Only at Miami do we get this type of corching
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Yep... as always we get stuck with the most stubborn corches.... the whole stadium sees what is wrong except our mor0n assistants ....
. .. we are cursed with corches who are blind, stupid or both..
 
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