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Samson Doyo said:
I’ve said before and I’ll say it again...OP caught his wife enjoying being sodomized by Butch Davis.

Go Canes!
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FarArcher will be furious somebody other than him is being sodomized by Butch.

I kid , I kid Archer
 
who said:
He gets credit for 2001, idc. We would have double digit championships if the admin didn't ***** him over
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last i checked, butch was in cleveland in 2001. coker may have bumbled his way to a natty that year, but he still made decisions on the field (which isn't exactly butch's strength).

double digit championships? yeah, ok. he doesn't belong in the same conversation as saban, and that ******* has 5 in 12 years at bama. no way in **** davis gets 6 rings as head coach here.
 
db305 said:
last i checked, butch was in cleveland in 2001. double digit championships? yeah, ok. he doesn't belong in the same conversation as saban, and that ******* has 5 in 12 years at bama. no way in **** davis gets 6 rings as head coach here.
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There would be no Saban if Butch stayed.
 
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There would be no Saban if Butch stayed.
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nice way to ignore the point. this isn't about saban. this is about butch davis being a great recruiter/developer and a mediocre gameday coach whose career high point is a sugar bowl win against the gators almost 20 years ago, and you insinuating that somehow he would've won at least 6 titles between 2001 and now.
 
Empirical Cane said:
How many of Butch's recruited talent won a natty?

How many MSU players from the Saban era?

My point was, in my opinion, "elite HC coach" = right time + right place + right staff
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serious question. what about butch davis says "elite head coach" to you? elite talent evaluation and development, sure. but his actual coaching on game day leaves a lot to be desired. you're not an elite coach unless you can do both. elite head coaches don't go to unc after the nfl. elite head coaches don't go to fiu. now that meyer is out, the only two "elite" guys in college right now are at clemson and bama. the only other guy in that category between our last championship and now is pete carroll.
 
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db305 said:
nice way to ignore the point. this isn't about saban. this is about butch davis being a great recruiter/developer and a mediocre gameday coach whose career high point is a sugar bowl win against the gators almost 20 years ago, and you insinuating that somehow he would've won at least 6 titles between 2001 and now.
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Yes. You're just underestimating him. Do you not believe he would have improved as a game day coach? You think coker coaching genius won us that title in 01? It was Butch players and he would have sustained that dynasty for decade+
Plus Saban is not running anything complicated there. He stacks chips and they execute.
 
TheEye said:
Wrong. Alabama would still have plucked Saban from the Dolphins. The best NCAA jobs Butch has had this millenium was UNC followed by FIU.
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Saban would still be at Miami if that doctor cleared Drew Brees.
 
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Yes. You're just underestimating him. Do you not believe he would have improved as a game day coach? You think coker coaching genius won us that title in 01? It was Butch players and he would have sustained that dynasty for decade+
Plus Saban is not running anything complicated there. He stacks chips and they execute.
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he hasn't really improved as a game day coach after his years in cleveland and unc, so at this point i don't think he really has it in him. talent can only go so far, and butch's strength was finding players that were overlooked and developing them. modern recruiting and the camp circuit brings more exposure to the hidden players that he used to be able to snag (ed reed being the most notable). so that advantage is off the table.

i never said coker was a coaching genius, but i don't think butch's on-field coaching was better than him by leaps and bounds. there's no question that davis would have won in 2001, and probably would have repeated in 2002 on talent alone, but you can't project that he would've sustained that with all of the other factors that go into winning titles in college ball.

also, if you honestly think that saban just gets great players and that's the only reason they win, you have no idea what you're talking about. if all you had to do is gather talent, coker would've won at least 2 more.
 
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Saban would still be at Miami if that doctor cleared Drew Brees.
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you keep moving the goalposts for your asinine point. saban would still be at bama because saban didn't have the level of control that he wanted in the league. he wanted belichick gm power and left when he realized it would never happen.
 
db305 said:
you keep moving the goalposts for your asinine point. saban would still be at bama because saban didn't have the level of control that he wanted in the league. he wanted belichick gm power and left when he realized it would never happen.
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None of it would matter if rich didn't turn down the job.
We can disagree about Butch sustaining it but there's no doubt in my mind he would have. The disrespect and hatred I see here is sickening. What he did to bring this program back and bring a natty is legendary. Talk to me when the next coach brings #7* here.
 
FAU, Marshall, North Texas, Southern Miss, UAB, Midd Tenn St & LA Tech all had better classes than FIU.

UAB won the C-USA last year vs Midd Tenn St & that's after UAB was out of Football for 2 seasons.

Lane Kiffin won the C-USA in his first season at FAU, yall Tamiami Panthers got some catching up to do.
 
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None of it would matter if rich didn't turn down the job.
We can disagree about Butch sustaining it but there's no doubt in my mind he would have. The disrespect and hatred I see here is sickening. What he did to bring this program back and bring a natty is legendary. Talk to me when the next coach brings #7* here.
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there it is again. another "if." "if's" don't count for **** in real life.

i don't hate butch. he did great things for us. it's not disrespectful to decline getting on my knees for him and to acknowledge that he has never been an elite coach.
 
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db305 said:
he hasn't really improved as a game day coach after his years in cleveland and unc, so at this point i don't think he really has it in him. talent can only go so far, and butch's strength was finding players that were overlooked and developing them. modern recruiting and the camp circuit brings more exposure to the hidden players that he used to be able to snag (ed reed being the most notable). so that advantage is off the table.

i never said coker was a coaching genius, but i don't think butch's on-field coaching was better than him by leaps and bounds. there's no question that davis would have won in 2001, and probably would have repeated in 2002 on talent alone, but you can't project that he would've sustained that with all of the other factors that go into winning titles in college ball.

also, if you honestly think that saban just gets great players and that's the only reason they win, you have no idea what you're talking about. if all you had to do is gather talent, coker would've won at least 2 more.
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No, Coker did not know how to evaluate and develop. Butch does, Saban does and Dabo does. Coker recruited and then did nothing with them. Butch would have absolutely sustained and built an elite dynasty from 2000 on for many, many years.

For my man @CaneDynasty I'm invoking Butch's Law, post #1.

Oh and BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *******!!
 
duke4heisman said:
No, Coker did not know how to evaluate and develop. Butch does, Saban does and Dabo does. Coker recruited and then did nothing with them. Butch would have absolutely sustained and built an elite dynasty from 2000 on for many, many years.

For my man @CaneDynasty I'm invoking Butch's Law, post #1.

Oh and BUTCH MUTHA****IN DAVIS *******!!
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i never said that coker was an elite recruiter, but he was hauling in talent on the coattails of 01 and 02 for a few years (and subsequently failed to develop it). i'm countering the point that all there is to winning is gathering talent because coker had the talent there during his stint.
 
db305 said:
i never said that coker was an elite recruiter, but he was hauling in talent on the coattails of 01 and 02 for a few years (and subsequently failed to develop it). i'm countering the point that all there is to winning is gathering talent because coker had the talent there during his stint.
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I agree and I'm adding that elite coaches can do all 3. Those all outweigh a few decisions on game day, that still don't change what that properly evaluated and developed talent does on particular plays. They win championships.
 
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