Butch Davis was the Right Choice

[Cane Dynasty]

Why aren't other universities throwing themselves at Butch Davis?


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According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

 

[INCaneFan]

Why aren't other universities throwing themselves at Butch Davis?


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According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

 

[CoCaneHead]

Butch was not my number one choice. But when it came out that the final four were Butch, Richt, Mullen and Schiano, I wanted Butch.

The decision to go with Richt is looking worse by the day.

bruh he only been here for 6 games... chill your ****

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Why aren't other universities throwing themselves at Butch Davis?


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According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

No links. Private email. Thanks for asking though.

 

[INCaneFan]

Why aren't other universities throwing themselves at Butch Davis?


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According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

No links. Private email. Thanks for asking though.

Yup, very credible. Even were it credible, what else would you expect the man's son to say? Final thing, how did you start up what I'm sure is an enlightening conversation and how f'ing creepy is that?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Why aren't other universities throwing themselves at Butch Davis?


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According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

No links. Private email. Thanks for asking though.

Yup, very credible. Even were it credible, what else would you expect the man's son to say? Final thing, how did you start up what I'm sure is an enlightening conversation and how f'ing creepy is that?

There is a thread about it on here. It details the whole story including how his son published his email for fans to contact him.

I am not your pre-school teacher. Go educate yourself.

The "soccer mom" moniker that you have earned is a good fit for you.

 

[Green5]

Butch inherited a team that won a NC 4 years earlier and had never been worse than 9-3 since 1984. The program had gone 63-9 under predecessor Erickson. He started his first year 1-3 with a loss to ECU. (A team he lost to again in 1999.) The sanctions did not take effect until his 2nd year so they had nothing to do with the 1-3 start to his career.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Question:
Butch Davis took over a 10-2, sixth ranked team that had an outside shot at winning the National Championship going into the Bowl games the previous year.
What was his record through 7 games in his first year of coaching?

Nevermind, I got it right here:
UCLA L (finished 7-5, unranked)
Florida A&M W
Virginia Tech L (finished #10 )
FSU L (finished #4 )
Rutgers W (finished 4-7)
Pitt W (finished 2-9)
Temple W (finished 1-10)

Record: 4-3 with wins vs FL A&M and 3 teams that finished the season with a total of 7 wins.

Yes, Butch built one of the most talented teams ever, but fans were calling for his head as late as the second game of his 6th and final year here.

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

Ok Genirus.

Name me ANYONE who has built a better college football team. Just throw a name out there.

/LULZ

The answer to your question is ....NO ONE.
I never said he didn't. Show me where I stated anything negative about Butch.

You missed my point.
Richt's first 7 games here he goes 4-3 and fans are second guessing the hire.
Believe me, fans were second guessing Butches hire after he went 4-3 in his first 7.
(Yes, I'm aware of most of the reasons why he started out slow which someone mentioned up top. Add to that the offensive philosophy change from Erickson)
Good thing we stuck with Butch.

 

[NJshoreCane]

After being dessemated with sanctions. After that second loss in 2000, I believe that team was better than 2001. That's coaching.

I knew someone would suggest that.
My comment was specific to Butch's first 7 games.
Let me help you out with time frames and the sequence of events:

During the summer of 1993, Tony Russell was arrested for the illegal Pell Grant distributions.
NCAA starts their investigation immediately after.
December 1, 1995- after the 1995 season- the sanctions were announced.
The only impact on that team was that they were banned from post-season that year.

So no, they were not "dessemated by sanctions" in Butches first year.

You're 100% wrong.

The entire Miami athletic program knew they were going to get hammered with sanctions in '94. Miami therefore voluntarily surrendered 7 scholarships for the '95 season before official sanctions hit. So yes, Miami was dealing with scholarship restrictions in Butch's first year.

And the sanctions weren't the only reason why Erickson jumped ship to the Hawks. The other was Erickson knew with the '94 seniors graduating, Sapp going pro, and his lack of recruiting, the team was going to take a serious talent hit in talent. To this day, many Hurricane fans don't realize how poor of a recruiter Erickson was and how much he benefited from inheriting JJ's recruits. Erickson's last two recruiting classes were just abysmal. And his '93 class (considered to be his best) turned out to be overrated. Erickson alienating a good portion of South Florida HS didn't end up paying dividends for the program as many Miami HS studs went on to star at other programs, especially FSU during their glory years.

And no, Davis didn't inherit a top 10 roster in '95. Far from it. The team had 5 seniors. The DT postion in '95 was atrocious and much worse than what the Canes have today. The '95 team was weak at CB and OL. Collins and Clement weren't NFL caliber QBs. The team had poor depth with major drop off in talent after the 1st string

Even if Miami had never been put on probation, Miami was heading toward a downward spiral due to a lack of talent. If Dennis coached the team in '95, they still would have been reamed by FSU and UCLA. And Erickson knew it.

I did some player by player breakdowns of Erickson's recruiting classes for Grassy way back when and yeah, those classes were filled with lot of guys like Omar Andres, Jesse Mitchell, Willie Phillips and Aaron Jones that simply didn't contribute and not nearly enough guys like Ray Lewis(obviously). Butch took over a depleted program. It was during this era that FSU really made their move into South Florida.

Butch with some real handcuffs did a great job in rebuilding UM( starting with guys like Nate Webster in his first class)

Don't let facts get in the way of a great tranny circle jerk.

Interesting the way discussions go here as opposed to at games or out there somewhere.

k9's reponse has little to do with my point, which you missed.

Later.

 

[NZ Cane]

Herman, Petrino, Butch, and even Saban himsef would be 4-3 with this roster.

The stupidity mistaken for logic never ceases to amaze me.

[MENTION=7491]NZ Cane[/MENTION] if you dont believe this you dont know football.

Yea OK...Nothing to do with Football. Someone failed maths, probability of them all going 4-3 incredibly low (someone could be worse who knows). Whats next do they all have an XP blocked to lose to FSU, yep that makes sense.

 

[INCaneFan]

According to Butch's son he did get inquires from other schools but slammed the door on them because he only want's to coach at Miami.

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

No links. Private email. Thanks for asking though.

Yup, very credible. Even were it credible, what else would you expect the man's son to say? Final thing, how did you start up what I'm sure is an enlightening conversation and how f'ing creepy is that?

There is a thread about it on here. It details the whole story including how his son published his email for fans to contact him.

I am not your pre-school teacher. Go educate yourself.

The "soccer mom" moniker that you have earned is a good fit for you.

Oh no, name calling. I'm shook or whatever the cute catchphrase is these days.

So please explain how the son of a sports broadcaster (that's all he is anymore as nobody wants a part of him as a coach) is fair and impartial.

How in the world do you explain Fedora doing what Butch couldn't at UNC? Seeing as how he has already surpassed Botch on the field as his successor, shouldn't you be singing his praises?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

That's an impartial, credible, and fair source of information. Happen to have a link to this?

What is the obsession with this guy? It's been discussed endlessly and proven why he isn't an option here, but not a priority for anyone else.

He's known as Botch for a reason. Fedora has already shown to be his superior at a basketball school.

No links. Private email. Thanks for asking though.

Yup, very credible. Even were it credible, what else would you expect the man's son to say? Final thing, how did you start up what I'm sure is an enlightening conversation and how f'ing creepy is that?

There is a thread about it on here. It details the whole story including how his son published his email for fans to contact him.

I am not your pre-school teacher. Go educate yourself.

The "soccer mom" moniker that you have earned is a good fit for you.

Oh no, name calling. I'm shook or whatever the cute catchphrase is these days.

So please explain how the son of a sports broadcaster (that's all he is anymore as nobody wants a part of him as a coach) is fair and impartial.

How in the world do you explain Fedora doing what Butch couldn't at UNC? Seeing as how he has already surpassed Botch on the field as his successor, shouldn't you be singing his praises?

blah blah blah blah blah

Who has put together a better team than Butch did in 2001?

I'll hang up and listen.

 

[nycane]

Butch had growing pains as a head coach but he inherited a horrific situation and learned on the job. if he stayed here, we probably have what Bama currently has and USC never has their run. my friend played under both butch and coker. he said players were scared of butch. he said coker had no control over hte team. he was legit walk around practice talking with guys on sidelines. he said they just had great assistants who saved him.

 

[niner]

Look, if it doesn't work out with Richt after a few years, we'll kick the tires with Butch again. Maybe this time he'll be more prepared to interview.

It's not like he is going anywhere, he will be waiting patiently in Bristol for the call.

 

[nycane]

Look, if it doesn't work out with Richt after a few years, we'll kick the tires with Butch again. Maybe this time he'll be more prepared to interview.

It's not like he is going anywhere, he will be waiting patiently in Bristol for the call.

UNC scared the daylights out of UM. Also, old time BOT and donors are still butt hurt over the way he left.
i hate the argument, "its a different game now" Butch was an AMAZING evaluator of talent and won on every level. he would figure it out.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Look, if it doesn't work out with Richt after a few years, we'll kick the tires with Butch again. Maybe this time he'll be more prepared to interview.

It's not like he is going anywhere, he will be waiting patiently in Bristol for the call.

UNC scared the daylights out of UM. Also, old time BOT and donors are still butt hurt over the way he left.
i hate the argument, "its a different game now" Butch was an AMAZING evaluator of talent and won on every level. he would figure it out.

College programs are scared that Butch will make their teams so dominant no one will want to play them. That's why no team has wanted to hire Davis in the six years after he was fired from UNC, right? Interesting how teams will hire other scandalized coaches like Petrino or Kiffen in a heartbeat, but not a single one has knocked on Davis door since he's such an amazing coach.

 

[nycane]

Look, if it doesn't work out with Richt after a few years, we'll kick the tires with Butch again. Maybe this time he'll be more prepared to interview.

It's not like he is going anywhere, he will be waiting patiently in Bristol for the call.

UNC scared the daylights out of UM. Also, old time BOT and donors are still butt hurt over the way he left.
i hate the argument, "its a different game now" Butch was an AMAZING evaluator of talent and won on every level. he would figure it out.

College programs are scared that Butch will make their teams so dominant no one will want to play them. That's why no team has wanted to hire Davis in the six years after he was fired from UNC, right?

my point was that the whole situation at UNC scared UM. the scandal.

 

[deleted3746]

Butch was not my number one choice. But when it came out that the final four were Butch, Richt, Mullen and Schiano, I wanted Butch.

The decision to go with Richt is looking worse by the day.

 

[deleted4697]

Not sure why anyone would want to torture themselves about who the coach should have been. Richt will be here for a long time no matter how upset you are.

You are talking in hypotheticals when you speculate how another coach would have done thus far this year with
1. The most immobile QB in the NCAA and a bench so bad no one can take his starting spot
2. An Oline that doesnt have the skill set to perform vs good P5 teams
3. Below avr RBs
4. The 2 best D players getting tossed along with a proven backup
5. A secondary with one standout player and pretty much that's it

Richt has won before on a consistent basis and is a proven recruiter which is the life blood of this game.

Way too early for this kind of talk 7 games into Richt's 1st year.

I liked this post when u first posted it lol..... Funny how much difference a year makes with the right coaching staff

 

[nystateofmind]

Butch was not my number one choice. But when it came out that the final four were Butch, Richt, Mullen and Schiano, I wanted Butch.

The decision to go with Richt is looking worse by the day.

At the time it was looking like a bad decision.

Obviously that has changed.