Butch Davis question

[MiamiVice7]

I'm sure this has been covered at some point, so be gentle. But I'm not that familiar with the real history...

What was the deal last time around that led to flying the "Fire Butch Davis" banner?

I'm trying to understand what the fan sentiment was like, as well as the country/media's perspective. And curious how that situation compares to the recent "Fire Al Golden" movement. Did it seem like a small crowd didn't want him or was it overwhelming like with Al?

Really, I'm looking for some in-depth thoughts from peeps who followed closely back at that time (I was a mere young'n). Just curious. I don't have a good point of reference for that stuff, except for surface-level commentary. It's certainly an interesting and relatively rare circumstance, I think, to want a guy back so badly who was at one point apparently being run out of town.

And for the record, I'm good with Butch coming back if that's the decision.

 

[Dwinstitles]

his play calling but he was recruiting savages from the word go, people think some blind people think we recruit savages now which is not true. u will see real savages in the coming years.

 

[jkaz1]

Miami had been on a massive winning streak and had clearly been the top team in the country for awhile.

This is what Miami fans were used to (even though we had lost the past 3 bowl games under Erickson).

Butch inherited a team that wasn't terribly talented, but most fans may not have been aware of the holes that existed.

The Pell Grant scandal created a massive issue and a loss of a lot of scholarships.

However, Miami fans wanted the job to get done regardless of these rather large obstacles.

The Canes didn't do well the first few years under Butch and in.....maybe 1997 had a losing season, 5-6. This was the first losing season since the 70s, I think....

That was a major shock to what Canes fans were used to.

That has a lot to do with the early negative sentiment with Butch.

By the end of his tenure, it was obvious that he knew what he was doing....A couple years after that, everyone understand that Butch was really, really good at evaluation and development of players...

From what I recall, that was the long and short of it....

I'm sure this has been covered at some point, so be gentle. But I'm not that familiar with the real history...

What was the deal last time around that led to flying the "Fire Butch Davis" banner?

I'm trying to understand what the fan sentiment was like, as well as the country/media's perspective. And curious how that situation compares to the recent "Fire Al Golden" movement. Did it seem like a small crowd didn't want him or was it overwhelming like with Al?

Really, I'm looking for some in-depth thoughts from peeps who followed closely back at that time (I was a mere young'n). Just curious. I don't have a good point of reference for that stuff, except for surface-level commentary. It's certainly an interesting and relatively rare circumstance, I think, to want a guy back so badly who was at one point apparently being run out of town.

And for the record, I'm good with Butch coming back if that's the decision.

 

[canes1996]

Some will say play calling, and they may be right, but I think the biggest issue was the fact that we were coming off an unprecedented run of success and the fans weren't willing to see how bad the sanctions had affected us. I remember talking about how at Miami "we reload; we don't rebuild." And, to be fair to the anti-Butch crowd, he did lose some head scratchers up through the 1999 season.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Technically, it wasn't a 'fire butch davis' banner per se. The banner read, "From National Champs to national chumps. Thanks Butch" I know it's semantics and all but that's the way I look at it. Unless other banners were flown as well.

 

[Dwinstitles]

play callers look like scientist when u give them the right players, u can run anything on offense if u recruit sfla elite players.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

I'm sure this has been covered at some point, so be gentle. But I'm not that familiar with the real history...

What was the deal last time around that led to flying the "Fire Butch Davis" banner?

I'm trying to understand what the fan sentiment was like, as well as the country/media's perspective. And curious how that situation compares to the recent "Fire Al Golden" movement. Did it seem like a small crowd didn't want him or was it overwhelming like with Al?

Really, I'm looking for some in-depth thoughts from peeps who followed closely back at that time (I was a mere young'n). Just curious. I don't have a good point of reference for that stuff, except for surface-level commentary. It's certainly an interesting and relatively rare circumstance, I think, to want a guy back so badly who was at one point apparently being run out of town.

And for the record, I'm good with Butch coming back if that's the decision.

Good post!

Butch was criticized for his game day coaching.

However, most people forget that we had almost Death Penalty like sanctions. We had no depth at all. I remember watching big games where we were really competitive at the half and then our guys would get gassed by the second half, especially on the D-line.

Miami was always known for rotating guys in and out of the D-line and keeping them fresh. He didn't have that luxury the first 3 years that he was HC.

He still managed to find guys that were very talented and developed them into savages.

Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed, etc., were not highly sought after when he got them to sign with us. Santana Moss came in on a track scholarship.

The man just has an uncanny gift for identifying talent and then developing it.

 

[edge]

I am trying to recall exactly why he got the label of being a bad game day coach. Was it clock management? Failure to adjust at halftime? Lacked aggression on the offensive side of the ball? Someone enlighten me.

 

[caneinpsl]

Miami had been on a massive winning streak and had clearly been the top team in the country for awhile.

This is what Miami fans were used to (even though we had lost the past 3 bowl games under Erickson).

Butch inherited a team that wasn't terribly talented, but most fans may not have been aware of the holes that existed.

The Pell Grant scandal created a massive issue and a loss of a lot of scholarships.

However, Miami fans wanted the job to get done regardless of these rather large obstacles.

The Canes didn't do well the first few years under Butch and in.....maybe 1997 had a losing season, 5-6. This was the first losing season since the 70s, I think....

That was a major shock to what Canes fans were used to.

That has a lot to do with the early negative sentiment with Butch.

By the end of his tenure, it was obvious that he knew what he was doing....A couple years after that, everyone understand that Butch was really, really good at evaluation and development of players...

From what I recall, that was the long and short of it....

I'm sure this has been covered at some point, so be gentle. But I'm not that familiar with the real history...

What was the deal last time around that led to flying the "Fire Butch Davis" banner?

I'm trying to understand what the fan sentiment was like, as well as the country/media's perspective. And curious how that situation compares to the recent "Fire Al Golden" movement. Did it seem like a small crowd didn't want him or was it overwhelming like with Al?

Really, I'm looking for some in-depth thoughts from peeps who followed closely back at that time (I was a mere young'n). Just curious. I don't have a good point of reference for that stuff, except for surface-level commentary. It's certainly an interesting and relatively rare circumstance, I think, to want a guy back so badly who was at one point apparently being run out of town.

And for the record, I'm good with Butch coming back if that's the decision.

This is a fair assessment. When he left for the NFL, nobody wanted him to go. And IMHO his gameday coaching had improved by that point. If we get that Butch we can't lose hiring him. But it's been 15 years since he was here, and who knows if we get the same effort. We might get better if he has an axe to grind, but it's an unknown.

 

[The Franchise]

UM fan expectations were much higher back then. Now, UM fans are so starved for crumbs they just want to produce draft picks and line up excuses as to why Butch shouldn't be expected to win the crappy Coastal.

Been a very dramatic change in UM fans over the years. It's gone from "we expect to compete for NCs every year" to "hey, he's better than Mario".

 

[caneworld]

I'm sure this has been covered at some point, so be gentle. But I'm not that familiar with the real history...

What was the deal last time around that led to flying the "Fire Butch Davis" banner?

I'm trying to understand what the fan sentiment was like, as well as the country/media's perspective. And curious how that situation compares to the recent "Fire Al Golden" movement. Did it seem like a small crowd didn't want him or was it overwhelming like with Al?

Really, I'm looking for some in-depth thoughts from peeps who followed closely back at that time (I was a mere young'n). Just curious. I don't have a good point of reference for that stuff, except for surface-level commentary. It's certainly an interesting and relatively rare circumstance, I think, to want a guy back so badly who was at one point apparently being run out of town.

And for the record, I'm good with Butch coming back if that's the decision.

Good post!

Butch was criticized for his game day coaching.

However, most people forget that we had almost Death Penalty like sanctions. We had no depth at all. I remember watching big games where we were really competitive at the half and then our guys would get gassed by the second half, especially on the D-line.

Miami was always known for rotating guys in and out of the D-line and keeping them fresh. He didn't have that luxury the first 3 years that he was HC.

He still managed to find guys that were very talented and developed them into savages.

Reggie Wayne, Ed Reed, etc., were not highly sought after when he got them to sign with us. Santana Moss came in on a track scholarship.

The man just has an uncanny gift for identifying talent and then developing it.

He also got rid of Bill Miller ...

 

[Al Foil]

Florida State loses 5 games this year without Dalvin Cook.

Jimbo did not become a better or worse play caller.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

UM fan expectations were much higher back then. Now, UM fans are so starved for crumbs they just want to produce draft picks and line up excuses as to why Butch shouldn't be expected to win the crappy Coastal.

Been a very dramatic change in UM fans over the years. It's gone from "we expect to compete for NCs every year" to "hey, he's better than Mario".

Expectations should always be National Championship.

However, that being said, not even Saban or Meyer won it all their first year.

And wether you accept it or not, Butch had to deal with a huge **** salad when he came in as HC the first time. The scholarship losses were huge.

Please tell me how many coaches have had to deal with the type of scholarship losses that a Butch did and still won instantly. I'll wait.

You ain't gonna find any.

How old are you? If you saw the Butch Davis Canes teams, you know that they played hard, fast and were nasty. They had no depth the first thee years that he was HC, and still he won the Big East title.

By the time he left, he should have had one ship in 2000. He was 11-1 that year. We were robbed of the chance to play for it.

The U went downhill not long after his departure.

 

[AUcane]

The team's play was subpar. Playcalling, scheme, game/roster management was all over the place

 

[Angry Ibis]

The question now is if it is Butch what the **** is taking so long?

Second question - there is no question - **** Schiano and Mario.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

The team's play was subpar. Playcalling, scheme, game/roster management was all over the place

Yeah, I'm sure you could have done a better job with all of the scholarship losses that he had to deal with. He had to nvent ways of getting talented, unheralded guys on the roster, like Santana.

Plus, he improved as he went along and the players never quit on him.

I guess Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick suck too because they once had losing NFL teams and made several coaching blunders. Including Carroll in last year's Super Bowl.

 

[section9]

The only question we need to ask is who the OC and, more importantly, the DC, will be.

If Butch is going to coach for Al's salary, then he's obviously freeing up Blake to give him the room to hire savages for Assistants and Position Coaches.

That will tell the tale.

 

[AUcane]

The team's play was subpar. Playcalling, scheme, game/roster management was all over the place

Yeah, I'm sure you could have done a better job with all of the scholarship losses that he had to deal with. He had to nvent ways of getting talented, unheralded guys on the roster, like Santana.

Plus, he improved as he went along and the players never quit on him.

I guess Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick suck too because they once had losing NFL teams and made several coaching blunders. Including Carroll in last year's Super Bowl.

Is that you, Tammy?

Someone asked why Butch was not well liked at one point in time and I answered.

His team's were plagued with these issues before the sanctions took effect all the way through even the beginning of the 2000 season. If you don't remember this, then you have amnesia or were too young to remember.

 

[Ibis Wingz]

UM fan expectations were much higher back then. Now, UM fans are so starved for crumbs they just want to produce draft picks and line up excuses as to why Butch shouldn't be expected to win the crappy Coastal.

Been a very dramatic change in UM fans over the years. It's gone from "we expect to compete for NCs every year" to "hey, he's better than Mario".

The fans' expectations were out of kilter back then. The fans' expectations are now in kilter.

 

[CaneTheGaytors]

The team's play was subpar. Playcalling, scheme, game/roster management was all over the place

Yeah, I'm sure you could have done a better job with all of the scholarship losses that he had to deal with. He had to nvent ways of getting talented, unheralded guys on the roster, like Santana.

Plus, he improved as he went along and the players never quit on him.

I guess Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick suck too because they once had losing NFL teams and made several coaching blunders. Including Carroll in last year's Super Bowl.

Is that you, Tammy?

Someone asked why Butch was not well liked at one point in time and I answered.

His team's were plagued with these issues before the sanctions took effect all the way through even the beginning of the 2000 season. If you don't remember this, then you have amnesia or were too young to remember.

**** are you talking about?

Washington was our only loss in 2000, with a redshirt freshman QB making his first road start. Washington was highly ranked and had a very good dual-threat QB.

After that, we cleaned house.

Also, in 1999, we ended the season by upsetting 3rd ranked and heavily favored UCLA at the Orange Bowl. Edge ran for over 300 yards and Scott Covington had a big game as well.

I've been watching the Canes since before you were probably born, young buck.

I'm just not gonna bash a guy that had to face the **** that he did without being realistic about it.