Butch Davis- Miami Coached First Rounders (28)

[niner]

SHEEED, Cutcliff wins at a basketball school, he even won the Coastal. Does that mean Cutcliff > Butch?

What DC has done at Duke is amazing...consistently winning football games at (arguably) the country's biggest basketball powerhouse school is amazing. No doubt. I don't know who would be better here, DC or Butch. If someone says they know, they're lying. But I do know we'd be very lucky to have either instead of Goldy.

For the most part, big time NCAA schools are either football strong or b-ball strong. Not both. It makes what guys like JL and Donavan (in basketball have done) and guys like what Butch and Cutcliff (in football) even more impressive. To win consistently in the 'other sport'...Duke football, or put many 1st round picks in the NFL like UNC football did, win big time champ. games (Billy while he was at uf basketball) is a testament to the coaches.

Explain why you think it is so difficult to win in multiple sports at the same time?

We won in Baseball & Football, Michigan State is constantly good in basketball & Football, Ohio State was good in basketball & Football, Notre Dame, Arizona, UCLA, Florida, Louisville, and the list goes on and on.

I'm a big baseball fan...but take that sport out of the equation. It's relavence to big time NCAA sports is nil. (MiLB dominates the semi-pro baseball scene)

But to your question, ND/AZ/UCLA/uf/UL are good in both sports? Like consistatly winning and putting many many 1st rounders (in NFL or NBA) in their sports? Really? How good is Louisville in football? I mean really? (and beating Miami doesn't count). They're good, not great. UCLA. Are they great at either sport these days? Decent...mid to upper level in the PAC 12, but not dominating. Are they? ND? Are they churning out 1st rounders (in either sport) and dominating. (Again, beating UM doesn't count.)

MSU and O$U are good examples to your point. Coaching all around those schools is elite...no doubt.

But, I still maintain, schools that dominate (In football I guess I would mean winning and/or playing for your conference's champ. game 1 out of 2 yrs. on average and winning 10-11 +- games per season & Regularly put players in NFL via 1st/2nd rd. In basketball I would clarify by meaning 25 -26 reg. season wins/regular Elite 8 + tourney trips, Conf. Champ. Tourney appearances and wins and regularly putting players in the NBA in the 1st. rd...not 2nd) are far fewer than those that do.

Putting 1st rounders in the NFL is not really a measurement to a successful program on it's own. No good putting players in the NFL if you are not winning, see last year.

To answer the question, and not necessarily about this year: But to your question, ND/AZ/UCLA/uf/UL are good in both sports?

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Regarding UNC:

"The 2007 draft, if you remember, was the one that came not long after John Bunting’s final season as UNC’s head coach. The Tar Heels finished the 2006 season 3-9, Bunting was fired and the draft illustrated one of the program’s primary problems: a clear lack of talent, at least among draft-eligible players.

Davis fixed that in a hurry. From 2008 to 2014 – Davis was the head coach from 2007 through 2010 – no school in the ACC had more players selected in the first round than UNC."

Read more here: UNC?s NFL draft pipeline runs dry, years after Butch Davis firing | News & Observer

Can that paragraph fit on a banner??

And ol boy couldnt even win the Coastal, with all that talent?

Dam shame!

and your mom couldnt deep throat a 2 liter bottle

 

[dudenate]

SHEEED, Cutcliff wins at a basketball school, he even won the Coastal. Does that mean Cutcliff > Butch?

What DC has done at Duke is amazing...consistently winning football games at (arguably) the country's biggest basketball powerhouse school is amazing. No doubt. I don't know who would be better here, DC or Butch. If someone says they know, they're lying. But I do know we'd be very lucky to have either instead of Goldy.

For the most part, big time NCAA schools are either football strong or b-ball strong. Not both. It makes what guys like JL and Donavan (in basketball have done) and guys like what Butch and Cutcliff (in football) even more impressive. To win consistently in the 'other sport'...Duke football, or put many 1st round picks in the NFL like UNC football did, win big time champ. games (Billy while he was at uf basketball) is a testament to the coaches.

Explain why you think it is so difficult to win in multiple sports at the same time?

We won in Baseball & Football, Michigan State is constantly good in basketball & Football, Ohio State was good in basketball & Football, Notre Dame, Arizona, UCLA, Florida, Louisville, and the list goes on and on.

I'm a big baseball fan...but take that sport out of the equation. It's relavence to big time NCAA sports is nil. (MiLB dominates the semi-pro baseball scene)

But to your question, ND/AZ/UCLA/uf/UL are good in both sports? Like consistatly winning and putting many many 1st rounders (in NFL or NBA) in their sports? Really? How good is Louisville in football? I mean really? (and beating Miami doesn't count). They're good, not great. UCLA. Are they great at either sport these days? Decent...mid to upper level in the PAC 12, but not dominating. Are they? ND? Are they churning out 1st rounders (in either sport) and dominating. (Again, beating UM doesn't count.)

MSU and O$U are good examples to your point. Coaching all around those schools is elite...no doubt.

But, I still maintain, schools that dominate (In football I guess I would mean winning and/or playing for your conference's champ. game 1 out of 2 yrs. on average and winning 10-11 +- games per season & Regularly put players in NFL via 1st/2nd rd. In basketball I would clarify by meaning 25 -26 reg. season wins/regular Elite 8 + tourney trips, Conf. Champ. Tourney appearances and wins and regularly putting players in the NBA in the 1st. rd...not 2nd) are far fewer than those that do.

Putting 1st rounders in the NFL is not really a measurement to a successful program on it's own. No good putting players in the NFL if you are not winning, see last year.

To answer the question, and not necessarily about this year: But to your question, ND/AZ/UCLA/uf/UL are good in both sports?

Totally agree in that putting 1st rounders in a pro league is not, by itself, indicative of a great program. However, coupled with consistent winning (how I described that in each sport is my own crude criteria...feel free to disagree) is how I would measure a great program. I guess we'll disagree that AZ/UL/UCLA are great CFB schools...good, but not great. UL and UCLA (UNC) sports are measured by basketball...always will be. I guess thats where we disagree. If a coach (even for a short period or time) can win there (not dominate, but win decently) and crank out some 1st rd. picks, he's pretty good.

 

[Torocane]

I like Butch, but I've yet to see a good argument why he couldn't win the Coastal with all that talent at UNC.

That's a fair question.
IMO There are legitimate questions when it comes to Butch.
But he is way better than Golden and given the people who would be conducting the HC interviews at UM he may be the only one willing to take it.

 

[MovingZen]

Regarding UNC:

"The 2007 draft, if you remember, was the one that came not long after John Bunting’s final season as UNC’s head coach. The Tar Heels finished the 2006 season 3-9, Bunting was fired and the draft illustrated one of the program’s primary problems: a clear lack of talent, at least among draft-eligible players.

Davis fixed that in a hurry. From 2008 to 2014 – Davis was the head coach from 2007 through 2010 – no school in the ACC had more players selected in the first round than UNC."

Read more here: UNC?s NFL draft pipeline runs dry, years after Butch Davis firing | News & Observer

Can that paragraph fit on a banner??

And ol boy couldnt even win the Coastal, with all that talent?

Dam shame!

Davis was there 4 seasons, three of them had wining records. His fourth year the team started the year with 13 players suspended. He still won 8 games. Prior to him getting there UNC hadn't had a wining season since 2001. Butch posted three straight. It's one thing to turn a program around, it's another to have 6 guys drafted and still have a losing season.

Who cares about winning 8 games a season 4 straight years. Wasnt he in the Coastal? Shouldnt the "greatest" coach of all time atleast win the Coastal? ATLEAST!?!

You keep bringing up Al like that is some validation of anything. He sucked with NFL players as well, why the f&ck would we want another guys who did the same AND got his players in trouble by his own staff member?

I answered your question in my post and I'm comparing him to Al to show that he's an improvement. UNC was a **** show when he got there and he built a winning team quick like. Had a bunch of his players not gotten suspended in his fourth year I bet he wins the Corstal. Then he went to the Browns. That alone should say enough but at least he got them to the playoffs.

 

[niner]

Can that paragraph fit on a banner??

And ol boy couldnt even win the Coastal, with all that talent?

Dam shame!

Davis was there 4 seasons, three of them had wining records. His fourth year the team started the year with 13 players suspended. He still won 8 games. Prior to him getting there UNC hadn't had a wining season since 2001. Butch posted three straight. It's one thing to turn a program around, it's another to have 6 guys drafted and still have a losing season.

Who cares about winning 8 games a season 4 straight years. Wasnt he in the Coastal? Shouldnt the "greatest" coach of all time atleast win the Coastal? ATLEAST!?!

You keep bringing up Al like that is some validation of anything. He sucked with NFL players as well, why the f&ck would we want another guys who did the same AND got his players in trouble by his own staff member?

I answered your question in my post and I'm comparing him to Al to show that he's an improvement. UNC was a **** show when he got there and he built a winning team quick like. Had a bunch of his players not gotten suspended in his fourth year I bet he wins the Corstal. Then he went to the Browns. That alone should say enough but at least he got them to the playoffs.

 

[MovingZen]

And ol boy couldnt even win the Coastal, with all that talent?

Dam shame!

Davis was there 4 seasons, three of them had wining records. His fourth year the team started the year with 13 players suspended. He still won 8 games. Prior to him getting there UNC hadn't had a wining season since 2001. Butch posted three straight. It's one thing to turn a program around, it's another to have 6 guys drafted and still have a losing season.

Who cares about winning 8 games a season 4 straight years. Wasnt he in the Coastal? Shouldnt the "greatest" coach of all time atleast win the Coastal? ATLEAST!?!

You keep bringing up Al like that is some validation of anything. He sucked with NFL players as well, why the f&ck would we want another guys who did the same AND got his players in trouble by his own staff member?

I answered your question in my post and I'm comparing him to Al to show that he's an improvement. UNC was a **** show when he got there and he built a winning team quick like. Had a bunch of his players not gotten suspended in his fourth year I bet he wins the Corstal. Then he went to the Browns. That alone should say enough but at least he got them to the playoffs.

Even Bill Bellichick had a losing record with the Browns.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

You'll have to forgive niner....he's special.