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OriginalGatorHater said:
No it is not the troll go to move. I am just pointing out that you are the one of the biggest Manny defenders on the board.

Manny should thank god he doesn't have to play UF every year. He would end up with a longer losing streak than Stoops.

No need to guess. Just look at his defense. He has plenty of upper classment that he has recruited and they are not doing nearly as well as No Ds guys. The fact that No D recruited better than Manny is absolutely pathetic.

Its not my fault you are so blind you can't see a train wreck when it is right infront of your face.

All of them besides Tenn and USCe would run through the coastal and all of them would get blown out by Clemson.

There is nothing contrarian about calling out a god awful corch. You just can't make any half way decent points so you are going to bow out and take your L as you usually do, just like your boy Manny does.

Yes, go on R/CFB or pretty much any other football forum. Manny is the new Willie Taggart.
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Posted this on another thread before getting into this ridiculous back and forth with a dude who made his mind up a game into a coaches tenure.

I'm not Manny's biggest defender, I'm just not an assclown who thinks he knows everything there is to know 1/3 into season one and that people "Take L's".



Today at 5:20 AM
Manny doesn't deserve three years here. He's got no resume to justify that and he's already been responsible for basically half of this roster. In my opinion he's done a great job with that side of the ball and that's why he's here.

But he's got way too much talent on the other side for it to take three seasons to get this ship righted.

That being said, he deserves a lot more than the four or even one game some of the experts here have given him, for whatever their motives may be.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Posted this on another thread before getting into this ridiculous back and forth with a dude who made his mind up a game into a coaches tenure.

I'm not Manny's biggest defender, I'm just not an assclown who thinks he knows everything there is to know 1/3 into season one and that people "Take L's".



Today at 5:20 AM
Manny doesn't deserve three years here. He's got no resume to justify that and he's already been responsible for basically half of this roster. In my opinion he's done a great job with that side of the ball and that's why he's here.

But he's got way too much talent on the other side for it to take three seasons to get this ship righted.

That being said, he deserves a lot more than the four or even one game some of the experts here have given him, for whatever their motives may be.
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The bold part is why you clearly don't know schit about football. Actions speak louder than words, you are a blind homer and you get into arguments with anyone that calls out your corch. You just say that to cover your *** for when Manny gets canned and you can say "I wasn't a Manny fan, I just think he deserved more time".
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Pastor went 7-6 because he is a terrible coach and trotted out the worst QB in Miami history.

They played in the citrus bowl. Manny couldn't even close on guys when we played in a NY6 bowl, with the turn over chain hype, and FSU and UF having down years.

Midst of a rebuild. LMFAO, more like midst of a demolition. The guy is single handedly destroying our roster with his god awful recruiting.

I can't believe you are still trying to die on this hill. That doesn't reinforce schit. Just because you pick some random outliers of teams with elite talent schitting the bed, that doesn't mean the rankings are not useful. The best teams in the nation all have elite Blue Chip ratios.

So let me get you on record.
Do you think that Manny is a good coach?
Do you think he will get us as far as Richt did (Winning the Coastal and keeping it within 10 in a NY6 bowl)?
Do you think any team with mainly 3 stars will make the playoffs anytime soon?
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You're insane, and suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. You're the one who brought up Pastor's pos blue chip ratio-not me. Singlehandedly destroying a roster that was 7-6?? GTFOH. And then you reinforce my pt by admitting the importance of coaching. The best teams in the country possess a lot of things besides just elite BC ratios. You choose to focus on BC ratios, because you're a casual fan/observer that possesses a very limited understanding of CFB. In order for you to wrap your small mind around WHY teams win or lose you are forced to employ reductionist thinking that frames the game as a recruiting rankings contest.

I've already given you NUMEROUS examples of teams that weren't the most talented, but still ended up winning and having successful seasons. The only examples that you could provide of talented teams that won despite being led by corches were Clappy & Chizik-both 1 in a million type situations. So who's the one focusing on outliers-me or you?

You're so delusional & out of touch with reality that you don't even understand that Manny was hired by a pos, bankrupt university that refuses/is incapable of spending money on it's football program. Instead of placing the blame where it rightfully belongs you choose to scrutinize a 1st yr/time head coach and hold him to unrealistic expectations 4 games into his tenure. Do you even realize that spreading this sort of negative energy is not beneficial to recruiting, because many recruits & their parents read this forum? But that's just you though not settling for mediocrity or pumping sunshine..right? I'm not suggesting that everything is going perfectly, all I am saying is if you harbor these type of feelings, it would probably be best if you kept those to yourself until at least the season is over.

I'm not stupid enough to reach broad conclusions about Manny's coaching ability or his career 4 games into his tenure like you are. Having a fanbase that regularly succumbs to knee-jerk reactions at a moment's notice is one of the reasons why MIA has been a dumpster fire program for the MAJORITY of it's existence.
 
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You don't hire someone for a $3+MM a year job with a 6 hour job search!!!!!!!!!!!! Whoever did that is a failure at their job, and these folks on the Board of Trustees have been failing this University for over 20 years, they actually let Butch Davis go, so they can't admit that and that is why Butch is never given a chance again, that is just stubborn stupidity. I am not saying that Butch is the answer but ***** is a better answer than this group of knuckleheads on the BOT has come up with in the last 20 years.

You don't spend $3+MM a year on a guy that has to learn how to be a head coach! You hire someone that knows how to do it already. Manny Diaz learning on the job is like watching Butch Davis learn on the job, those were some rough early years. The difference is Butch had less talent, less scholarships but the players improved. Manny has two guys at OT that look like they still don't even understand the concept of their positions. He is going to get the best QB we have had since Dorsey killed before we ever have a chance to use his tools. And we don't adjust, we can't even roll Jarren out because neither tackle knows how to block consistently, so you might roll Jarren into a wall of defenders, who knows!

I am disappointed, but not surprised, anyone that hires like this deserves what they get. We are getting punished for the incompetence at the BOT level, I don't fault Manny, he just does not have the coaching experience to succeed at this point, us destroying our program for him to get that experience is the price we have to pay, wow! Who came up with that cost/benefit analysis???
 
craval85 said:
You're insane, and suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. You're the one who brought up Pastor's pos blue chip ratio-not me. Single handedly destroying a roster that was 7-6?? GTFOH. And then you reinforce my pt by admitting the importance of coaching. The best teams in the country possess a lot of things besides just elite BC ratios. You choose to focus on BC ratios, because you're a casual fan/observer that possesses a very limited understanding of CFB. In order for you to wrap your small mind around WHY teams win & lose you are forced to employ reductionist thinking that transforms the game into a recruiting ranking contest.

I've already given you NUMEROUS examples of teams that weren't the most talented, but still ended up winning and having successful seasons. The only examples that you could provide of talented teams that won despite being led by corches were Clappy & Chizik-both 1 in a million type situations. So who's the one focusing on outliers-me or you?

You're so delusional & out of touch with reality that you don't even understand that Manny was hired by a pos, bankrupt university that refuses/is incapable of spending money on it's football program. Instead of targeting the blame where it rightfully belongs you choose to scrutinize a 1st yr/time head coach and hold him to unrealistic expectations 4 games into his tenure. Do you even realize that spreading this sort of negative energy is not beneficial to recruiting, because many recruits & their parents read this forum? But that's just you though not settling for mediocrity or pumping sunshine..right? I'm not suggesting that everything is going perfectly, all I am saying is if you harbor these type of feelings, it would probably be best if you kept those to yourself until at least the season is over.

I'm not stupid enough to reach broad conclusions about Manny's coaching ability or his career 4 games into his tenure like you are. Having a fanbase that regularly succumbs to knee-jerk reactions at a moment's notice is one of the reasons why MIA has been a dumpster fire program for the MAJORITY of it's existence.
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I brought it up because he actually recruited well when he was here. The team has a ton of talent thanks to pastor. Manny is destroying it. I never said coaching is not important, just that it is not as important as talent. You are the one that think Saban would beat FSU with Miami Northwestern high school.

LOL casual fan. The best coaches in the nation recruit the rankings. Only delusional fans try to knock the rankings.

You provided a handful of outliers. I provided you with way more talented teams that beat less talented teams.

No, I understand that fully. I blame the AD all the time, however, that doesn't mean Manny isn't terrible. Even with our cheap university, he shouldn't be recruiting at such a pathetic level.

I never say we should be landing tons of 5 stars or even only 4 stars, but when you are recruiting at this POS level you are never going to win schit. That is just a fact.

I am not basing it off 4 games. I am basing it off his entire career. The guy never was able to recruit and recruiting is 75% of CFB. If you can't recruit you are never going to win big.

So let me ask you again. Do you think a team with a poor BC ratio are going to make the playoffs anytime soon? Of course you won't say it because deep down you now the BC ratio is important, but you want to make excuses for Manny for some bizarre reason.
 
craval85 said:
You're insane, and suffering from a severe case of cognitive dissonance. You're the one who brought up Pastor's pos blue chip ratio-not me. Single handedly destroying a roster that was 7-6?? GTFOH. And then you reinforce my pt by admitting the importance of coaching. The best teams in the country possess a lot of things besides just elite BC ratios. You choose to focus on BC ratios, because you're a casual fan/observer that possesses a very limited understanding of CFB. In order for you to wrap your small mind around WHY teams win & lose you are forced to employ reductionist thinking that transforms the game into a recruiting ranking contest.

I've already given you NUMEROUS examples of teams that weren't the most talented, but still ended up winning and having successful seasons. The only examples that you could provide of talented teams that won despite being led by corches were Clappy & Chizik-both 1 in a million type situations. So who's the one focusing on outliers-me or you?

You're so delusional & out of touch with reality that you don't even understand that Manny was hired by a pos, bankrupt university that refuses/is incapable of spending money on it's football program. Instead of targeting the blame where it rightfully belongs you choose to scrutinize a 1st yr/time head coach and hold him to unrealistic expectations 4 games into his tenure. Do you even realize that spreading this sort of negative energy is not beneficial to recruiting, because many recruits & their parents read this forum? But that's just you though not settling for mediocrity or pumping sunshine..right? I'm not suggesting that everything is going perfectly, all I am saying is if you harbor these type of feelings, it would probably be best if you kept those to yourself until at least the season is over.

I'm not stupid enough to reach broad conclusions about Manny's coaching ability or his career 4 games into his tenure like you are. Having a fanbase that regularly succumbs to knee-jerk reactions at a moment's notice is one of the reasons why MIA has been a dumpster fire program for the MAJORITY of it's existence.
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Unfortunately, our fanbase is comprised mainly of these morons
 
TheEye said:
It doesn't matter. JJ talked to him and every other coach. Butch could advise Manny and you would see the same thing. Fact is, Miami is no longer the recruiting advantage it once was. If it were, Richt would not have missed a beat landing in Coral Gables. He would have been landing Georgia level talent every recruiting cycle while still missing out on some good ones. People gripe about Richt but his last season at UGA had 9 wins. How often do we get a 9 win season in the last 15 years?
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we made a mistake pushing him out the door. We arent willing to pay for real coaches only got richt because he was on discount
 
blushrts said:
It's never as good the second time
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Are you sure it will not be as good the second time??

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