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ItsAUThing.com said:
... Oklahoma was in tremendous shape for Riley; like what Miami would've been had Butch never left and turned the keys over to a guy like Diaz.

Is Lincoln Riley really some next-level up-and-comer? Doubt it. Put that kid at a lower tier Big XII school and what is he really doing.

All that Matt Campbell and Iowa State hype a few years back; 8-5 last year, 2-1 to start this season—falling to rival Iowa with some sloppy play and needing triple overtime to beat Northern Iowa.

Riley's success is less about anything he's done and more about what type of program Stoops built and maintained at Oklahoma. Compare his resume to Manny's; not much different—two years as OU's offensive coordinator before getting the gig. East Carolina OC for four years before that and Texas Tech's wide receiver's coach prior-to.

Give Manny the OU gig with those resources and state of that program and stick Lincoln in Miami and I doubt you'll see much difference between the two.
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Lincoln Riley was considered a top level assistant coach when Stoops retired. He was bound to get a head coaching job within a few years, and at a higher level program than Temple.

You were one of the biggest defenders of Shannon and Golden for their whole tenures. Seriously- look at the archives on your website- you blame Coker for Shannon’s problems, talk about 5-7-9, talk about players not executing. Then you blame Shannon (and the cloud) for Golden’s problems, talk about 6-7-9, and talk more about players not executing. I find it amazing that you haven’t deleted those posts.
 
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JD08 said:
Hire Butch as co-head coach. Let Manny learn from him and do the tasks that Butch doesn't want to. Then, once we have developed, Butch can ride off in the sunset a success and Manny's decade of dominance can begin.
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I never have heard of a co-head coach before, and Manny Diaz will suck as a head coach even if he spends some time learning from Butch. (Or even if he spends time learning under Saban or Swiney or Meyer, for that matter.)
 
It doesn't matter. JJ talked to him and every other coach. Butch could advise Manny and you would see the same thing. Fact is, Miami is no longer the recruiting advantage it once was. If it were, Richt would not have missed a beat landing in Coral Gables. He would have been landing Georgia level talent every recruiting cycle while still missing out on some good ones. People gripe about Richt but his last season at UGA had 9 wins. How often do we get a 9 win season in the last 15 years?
 
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RightSaidFred said:
Manny doesn’t have it.

You seen how undisciplined this team is. Most penalized in America, don’t know the **** playbook, etc.

The players clearly don’t respect this staff. Recruits don’t either, judging by our ranking.

Manny is too much of a nice guy. He has the temperament of someone who should be running a bank, not a football team. He’s a pushover.

Honestly, UM needs someone like Greg Schiano running this team. Someone who will not allow himself to be disrespected.

They walking all over Manny. Reminds me of Larry Coker before the FIU brawl.
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Greg Schiano? My God, he is bad even as a defensive coordinator. Go on any Ohio State fan website and see how they all hated him. They were all thrilled when Ryan Day fired him.

He basically failed his way upward to the Patriots because Belichick has always had some inexplicable respect for Schiano. (And he had an opening with Flores taking the Dolphins HC job.) But then Schiano mysteriously “resigned” before even coaching a preseason game. Something tells me that Belichick realized what garbage Schiano was after seeing him up close, and told him to GTFO.
 
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Gatorhater said:
I can't disagree with most of what OP says, I will, however, state that Butch is worthy of another shot. He is older for sure, but Butch at Miami was magic both time and maybe he can pull it off again. Even taking off my Butch blinders, fact is that the Miami administrator has proven that it will never hire another coach good enough to bring back our glory -- they want to avoid that very thing at any cost. Since we will be stuck with never ending procession of easy choice losers, why not get Butch. If you can convince the administration he is a loser, then they might just make a mistake and hire the man.
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If you hired Butch & a dream team staff, at least you know it will be locked and loaded for the next guy.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
... Oklahoma was in tremendous shape for Riley; like what Miami would've been had Butch never left and turned the keys over to a guy like Diaz.

Is Lincoln Riley really some next-level up-and-comer? Doubt it. Put that kid at a lower tier Big XII school and what is he really doing.

All that Matt Campbell and Iowa State hype a few years back; 8-5 last year, 2-1 to start this season—falling to rival Iowa with some sloppy play and needing triple overtime to beat Northern Iowa.

Riley's success is less about anything he's done and more about what type of program Stoops built and maintained at Oklahoma. Compare his resume to Manny's; not much different—two years as OU's offensive coordinator before getting the gig. East Carolina OC for four years before that and Texas Tech's wide receiver's coach prior-to.

Give Manny the OU gig with those resources and state of that program and stick Lincoln in Miami and I doubt you'll see much difference between the two.
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Campbell‘s beaten OU, TCU, and WVU when all three were ranked Top 6. Some programs have a ceiling that is nearly impossible to break through. You’re not getting the total number of high-level recruits year after year in Ames, IA. To win 10/11 games you’d have to luck into a generational talent at QB and have an off season for the conference heavyweights like OU.

Does he have a pattern of corching games he should won based on his team’s talent?

And yes, Riley was a star OC Stoops hired away. I’d wager Stoops was ’retired’ when the Administration realized Riley was a bright innovative young coach and soon-to-be hired away if he wasn’t promoted. Stoops wasn’t going to win another NC any time soon.
 
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JD08 said:
Hire Butch as co-head coach. Let Manny learn from him and do the tasks that Butch doesn't want to. Then, once we have developed, Butch can ride off in the sunset a success and Manny's decade of dominance can begin.
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Manny already is ‘head-coach-in-waiting’.

And we’re doing the waiting.
 
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TemplarCane said:
Manny already is ‘head-coach-in-waiting’.

And we’re doing the waiting.
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Go Canes!! said:
Who's fault is that? He's been the HC there for six seasons.
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And Manny was lucky enough to be handed a team with a great blue chip ratio thanks to Richt. Kentucky's class is only .5 average recruiting rankings behind us this years. Manny is going to soon have similar talent to Kentucky.

So since neither coach can recruit, I will take the guy that can actually coach any day of the week.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
And Manny was lucky enough to be handed a team with a great blue chip ratio thanks to Richt. Kentucky's class is only .5 average recruiting rankings behind us this years. Manny is going to soon have similar talent to Kentucky.

So since neither coach can recruit, I will take the guy that can actually coach any day of the week.
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Man you love to argue just to argue, facts be damned. So no guys wanted to play on this defense thanks to Manny? He wasn't handed anything on that side of the ball. It's the only side that's been consistently great here in years.

And under what metric has Stoops proven he can actually "coach" as the top guy. In six seasons he's under .500 and is 17-33 in the trash SEC East.

Yet you know with absolute certainty already, after four games, that he's better despite a six YEAR sample size of losing.

Go away dude.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
And Manny was lucky enough to be handed a team with a great blue chip ratio thanks to Richt. Kentucky's class is only .5 average recruiting rankings behind us this years. Manny is going to soon have similar talent to Kentucky.

So since neither coach can recruit, I will take the guy that can actually coach any day of the week.
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If pastor's blue chip ratio was so great, why'd the team go 7-6 last yr? Was that Manny's fault? Kentucky's recruiting class is a product of them winning a new year's bowl last yr. Manny is in the midst of a rebuild job, and that is in spite of pastor's pos blue chip ratio. Which again only reinforces the pt, that hoe *** recruiting rankings don't mean ****.
 
Candycane2 said:
I never have heard of a co-head coach before, and Manny Diaz will suck as a head coach even if he spends some time learning from Butch. (Or even if he spends time learning under Saban or Swiney or Meyer, for that matter.)
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We all know how this is going to go and it doesn't involve Butch or even Manny in a few years, so if people can suggest Meyer, I can also put forward a non-serious suggestion that will never happen too.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
Man you love to argue just to argue, facts be damned. So no guys wanted to play on this defense thanks to Manny? He wasn't handed anything on that side of the ball. It's the only side that's been consistently great here in years.

And under what metric has Stoops proven he can actually "coach" as the top guy. In six seasons he's under .500 and is 17-33 in the trash SEC East.

Yet you know with absolute certainty already, after four games, that he's better despite a six YEAR sample size of losing.

Go away dude.
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And you love to argue just to defend your favorite corch. I have no idea why top recruits never wanted to play for Manny, but the offensive recruiting schit on the defensive recruiting under Richt and last years class as a whole was awful under Manny.

His best defensive players where guys No D recruited. Now that he has "his guys" on that side of the ball our defense is nowhere near as good.

LOL at trash SEC east. 75% of that conference would win the Coastal year after year after year.

Yes, I do know because I am not a moron. Literally the entire CFB world is laughing at Miami and we still have porsters defending him.

I never said stoops was great, but the guy did better than us against UF with way less talent. He is clearly a much better coach than Manny.
 
craval85 said:
If pastor's blue chip ratio was so great, why'd the team go 7-6 last yr? Was that Manny's fault? Kentucky's recruiting class is a product of them winning a new year's bowl last yr. Manny is in the midst of a rebuild job, and that is in spite of pastor's pos blue chip ratio. Which again only reinforces the pt, that hoe *** recruiting rankings don't mean ****.
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Pastor went 7-6 because he is a terrible coach and trotted out the worst QB in Miami history.

They played in the citrus bowl. Manny couldn't even close on guys when we played in a NY6 bowl, with the turn over chain hype, and FSU and UF having down years.

Midst of a rebuild. LMFAO, more like midst of a demolition. The guy is single handedly destroying our roster with his god awful recruiting.

I can't believe you are still trying to die on this hill. That doesn't reinforce schit. Just because you pick some random outliers of teams with elite talent schitting the bed, that doesn't mean the rankings are not useful. The best teams in the nation all have elite Blue Chip ratios.

So let me get you on record.
Do you think that Manny is a good coach?
Do you think he will get us as far as Richt did (Winning the Coastal and keeping it within 10 in a NY6 bowl)?
Do you think any team with mainly 3 stars will make the playoffs anytime soon?
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
And you love to argue just to defend your favorite corch. I have no idea why top recruits never wanted to play for Manny, but the offensive recruiting schit on the defensive recruiting under Richt and last years class as a whole was awful under Manny.

His best defensive players where guys No D recruited. Now that he has "his guys" on that side of the ball our defense is nowhere near as good.

LOL at trash SEC east. 75% of that conference would win the Coastal year after year after year.

Yes, I do know because I am not a moron. Literally the entire CFB world is laughing at Miami and we still have porsters defending him.

I never said stoops was great, but the guy did better than us against UF with way less talent. He is clearly a much better coach than Manny.
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Pointing to the fact Stoops sucks is not defending anyone. It's the troll go to move whenever anyone disagrees with them about anything.

Stoops is 1-5 against UF and just gave up 30 in a loss to the Turds two weeks ago. After SIX YEARS of bringing in his own guys. Yeah, he did "better".

You have no idea how good or bad Manny's young guys will end up. That like the rest of your nonsense is soley made up in your head. Most of them are just now getting serious playing time. I also wonder if I look back if I'll find you clamoring for Brooks and Miller.

Everyone in college football laughing at us is nothing more than your massive inferiority complex, nothing else. Every other college football fan outside of about ten programs have their own **** to worry about.

Missouri
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky

Yeah they'd run right through the Coastal. Probably beat Clemson too. Your *** kissing of the SEC is pathetic.

Done with you. Your'e a contrarian who can't keep a consistent thought in your head.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Pointing to the fact Stoops sucks is not defending anyone. It's the troll go to move whenever anyone disagrees with them about anything.

Stoops is 1-5 against UF and just gave up 30 in a loss to the Turds two weeks ago. After SIX YEARS of bringing in his own guys. Yeah, he did "better".

You have no idea how good or bad Manny's young guys will end up. That like the rest of your nonsense is soley made up in your head. Most of them are just now getting serious playing time. I also wonder if I look back if I'll find you clamoring for Brooks and Miller.

Everyone in college football laughing at us is nothing more than your massive inferiority complex, nothing else. Every other college football fan outside of about ten programs have their own **** to worry about.

Missouri
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky

Yeah they'd run right through the Coastal. Probably beat Clemson too. Your *** kissing of the SEC is pathetic.

Done with you. Your'e a contrarian who can't keep a consistent thought in your head.
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No it is not the troll go to move. I am just pointing out that you are the one of the biggest Manny defenders on the board.

Manny should thank god he doesn't have to play UF every year. He would end up with a longer losing streak than Stoops.

No need to guess. Just look at his defense. He has plenty of upper classment that he has recruited and they are not doing nearly as well as No Ds guys. The fact that No D recruited better than Manny is absolutely pathetic.

Its not my fault you are so blind you can't see a train wreck when it is right infront of your face.

All of them besides Tenn and USCe would run through the coastal and all of them would get blown out by Clemson.

There is nothing contrarian about calling out a god awful corch. You just can't make any half way decent points so you are going to bow out and take your L as you usually do, just like your boy Manny does.

Yes, go on R/CFB or pretty much any other football forum. Manny is the new Willie Taggart.
 
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