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Yoyo423 said:
I'm still having a hard time finding any credible college football media people(besides NBC people) have had made a case for ND to stay ahead... hopefully i'm not in an echo chamber/bias bubble of just getting fed to me..

have you seen any?
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Figures. NBC/Peacock, which owns the rights to air ND games. This is the angle I've been pushing. It's NBC
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
I said it a few times in a couple different threads- the downstream effects will be immense and costly to the tv networks if committee ignores H2H. ESPN has to know this and be telling Yurachek he has to flip Miami and ND.

No AD with a brain cell will schedule big OOC games. Just focus on conference games early and win streaks before the first playoff rankings are released. Two years in a row Miami screwed itself by losing just before the first playoff rankings. That initial rank is by far the most critical. That’s the snapshot the committee seems to use to say whether passing the eyeball test, and if you start too far behind you will never catch up. It’s funny- people keep saying we can’t ever get into the playoffs going 10-2. Wrong. Committee has firmly established that when you lose is more important than if you lose. If we had lost to GT and Syracuse in game 1-2 last year , then reeled off 6 wins in a row against 3 more conference opponents and 3 cupcakes by 30+ pts, I guarantee we would have been ranked higher in the initial playoff rankings and would have got in as an at large.
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hope to god you are right, my brother...

fingers crossed
(having said that I do feel like we have half a chance if Bama WINS and we get the BYU loss)
 
Yoyo423 said:
I'm still having a hard time finding any credible college football media people(besides NBC people) have had made a case for ND to stay ahead... hopefully i'm not in an echo chamber/bias bubble of just getting fed to me..

have you seen any?
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Most prominent talking football heads seem to be dodging the situation. “Both teams are good” or maybe even a “Miami lost to two unranked teams”. Yawn.
 
If the P2 was smart, they would leverage their pull with the committee to tell them to put Miami ahead of ND for two reasons
1. We beat them H2H
2. You want to incentivize ND to join a conference. This does it. Let them know P4 conferences will always have preference over ND unless it’s beyond obvious (and this year it is NOT). The B10 or SEC would love to have ND, this is their way to nudge them towards that.

That said, I don’t count on the committee for any favors. Not like we are dealing with true football fans that can talk the talk, instead hiding behind generalities like “we had great debates” and “long conversations”. What the f ever.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
I wish I could write a comment to the idiot ND fans in the comment section that refer to the Louisville and SMU losses as reasons ND should be ahead of Miami.

Have they ever heard of a football organization called the National Football League (NFL for short in case they are only familiar with the abbreviated version)? It happens to be a professional football league where players play football as their primary occupation. In that league, teams have a 16 game schedule- sometimes they play a 1 win team , sometimes they might play an undefeated team. And you know what happens if two teams are competing for a playoff spot and one team has two losses to the two worst teams in the league but a win over the other potential playoff team, and the other team has only two early season losses- one to the other potential playoff team and the other a close loss to an undefeated opponent, and then won 14 in a row? Absolutely no one gives a **** about the winning streak or if one team lost to bad teams during the season. The tiebreaker is always head to head wins- as it is in literally every other sport.

Yet apparently Notre Dame fans think the college football should be the one sport where there is no objective standard and teams should be picked for the post season based on an arbitrary and capricious “eyeball test.” Well that is interesting. You see- they base their argument for getting in over Miami on the Canes losing to two 8 win teams. Those are “bad losses” in their justification. And bad losses means teams should be penalized. And yet there was a cfb team last year that had the worst loss of any playoff contender. They lost at home to Northern Illinois. That single loss is far more embarrassing and disqualifying than two losses to 8-4 teams. But that team still ended up being seeded higher than other teams with far less embarrassing losses. Surely, these Notre Dame fans would agree that the team with the home loss to Northern Illinois should have put them at the back of the line for making the playoffs. They have to admit that team had the luck of the Irish - and a highly biased playoff committee - to have ignored such an ignominious loss.
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Best rant I’ve seen on the topic yet kudos too you
 
LeanMeanOrangeGreen said:
Most prominent talking football heads seem to be dodging the situation. “Both teams are good” or maybe even a “Miami lost to two unranked teams”. Yawn.
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I swear, if I hear “lost to two unranked teams” one more time…

It’s the laziest bull**** ever, and reeks of ignorance. It’s just the retort of a bunch of bobble heads with zero critical thinking skills.
 
rascon said:
If the P2 was smart, they would leverage their pull with the committee to tell them to put Miami ahead of ND for two reasons
1. We beat them H2H
2. You want to incentivize ND to join a conference. This does it. Let them know P4 conferences will always have preference over ND unless it’s beyond obvious (and this year it is NOT). The B10 or SEC would love to have ND, this is their way to nudge them towards that.

That said, I don’t count on the committee for any favors. Not like we are dealing with true football fans that can talk the talk, instead hiding behind generalities like “we had great debates” and “long conversations”. What the f ever.
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the NCAA should even want ND to join a conference... what better way than to kick them to the curb and point at the lack of conference gauntlet they play......
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
I wish I could write a comment to the idiot ND fans in the comment section that refer to the Louisville and SMU losses as reasons ND should be ahead of Miami.

Have they ever heard of a football organization called the National Football League (NFL for short in case they are only familiar with the abbreviated version)? It happens to be a professional football league where players play football as their primary occupation. In that league, teams have a 16 game schedule- sometimes they play a 1 win team , sometimes they might play an undefeated team. And you know what happens if two teams are competing for a playoff spot and one team has two losses to the two worst teams in the league but a win over the other potential playoff team, and the other team has only two early season losses- one to the other potential playoff team and the other a close loss to an undefeated opponent, and then won 14 in a row? Absolutely no one gives a **** about the winning streak or if one team lost to bad teams during the season. The tiebreaker is always head to head wins- as it is in literally every other sport.

Yet apparently Notre Dame fans think the college football should be the one sport where there is no objective standard and teams should be picked for the post season based on an arbitrary and capricious “eyeball test.” Well that is interesting. You see- they base their argument for getting in over Miami on the Canes losing to two 8 win teams. Those are “bad losses” in their justification. And bad losses means teams should be penalized. And yet there was a cfb team last year that had the worst loss of any playoff contender. They lost at home to Northern Illinois. That single loss is far more embarrassing and disqualifying than two losses to 8-4 teams. But that team still ended up being seeded higher than other teams with far less embarrassing losses. Surely, these Notre Dame fans would agree that the team with the home loss to Northern Illinois should have put them at the back of the line for making the playoffs. They have to admit that team had the luck of the Irish - and a highly biased playoff committee - to have ignored such an ignominious loss.
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But but but losses at the beginning of the season don’t count!
 
caneingville said:
I swear, if I hear “lost to two unranked teams” one more time…

It’s the laziest bull**** ever, and reeks of ignorance. It’s just the retort of a bunch of bobble heads with zero critical thinking skills.
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BS Excuses.. not lazy.... Why are we looking at analytics past the 3 top bullet points on their own rule sheet..
1) H2H (Miami)
2) Shared opponents (Miami)
3) SOS (wash)

but nooo.. they wanna go to bullet point 95 and be like "well, Miami did fumble on the goal-line in 1988"
 
caneingville said:
I swear, if I hear “lost to two unranked teams” one more time…

It’s the laziest bull**** ever, and reeks of ignorance. It’s just the retort of a bunch of bobble heads with zero critical thinking skills.
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And how true is it? SMU was ranked in the preseason. Dropped out, came back in. We lost to them at the time they were unranked. Cool. Doesn’t really matter. No one anywhere seriously thinks SMU is this God awful program. They were a CFP team last year. We lost in OT on the road. Got ****ed royally by officials but I won’t go there.

Louisville. They were 4-1 coming into the game with that single loss being an OT loss to Virginia who’s one win away from winning the ACC and making the CFP. Louisville hadn’t received a single vote in the AP Top 25 the week prior which I found surprising considering they were on a lot of preseason “way too early” top 25 projections in the Spring and summer. They were ranked after beating us and stayed ranked a little while longer. Just beat big bad SEC Kentucky 41-0 and did hand James Madison, a potential G5 team CFP team, their lone single loss. We lost to Louisville by 3. Like SMU, no one considers Louisville a bad program. Notre Dame is 1-1 against them (2023-2024), losing by 2 scores in 2023 and 1 score in 2024. Just stop it already.

These are not bad losses. If any dip**** saying otherwise is just as you said, a lazy ****, and a dumb one too. There is no argument for choosing ND over Miami. It was decided on the field. The fact we’re debating this is insane.
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
I wish I could write a comment to the idiot ND fans in the comment section that refer to the Louisville and SMU losses as reasons ND should be ahead of Miami.

Have they ever heard of a football organization called the National Football League (NFL for short in case they are only familiar with the abbreviated version)? It happens to be a professional football league where players play football as their primary occupation. In that league, teams have a 16 game schedule- sometimes they play a 1 win team , sometimes they might play an undefeated team. And you know what happens if two teams are competing for a playoff spot and one team has two losses to the two worst teams in the league but a win over the other potential playoff team, and the other team has only two early season losses- one to the other potential playoff team and the other a close loss to an undefeated opponent, and then won 14 in a row? Absolutely no one gives a **** about the winning streak or if one team lost to bad teams during the season. The tiebreaker is always head to head wins- as it is in literally every other sport.

Yet apparently Notre Dame fans think the college football should be the one sport where there is no objective standard and teams should be picked for the post season based on an arbitrary and capricious “eyeball test.” Well that is interesting. You see- they base their argument for getting in over Miami on the Canes losing to two 8 win teams. Those are “bad losses” in their justification. And bad losses means teams should be penalized. And yet there was a cfb team last year that had the worst loss of any playoff contender. They lost at home to Northern Illinois. That single loss is far more embarrassing and disqualifying than two losses to 8-4 teams. But that team still ended up being seeded higher than other teams with far less embarrassing losses. Surely, these Notre Dame fans would agree that the team with the home loss to Northern Illinois should have put them at the back of the line for making the playoffs. They have to admit that team had the luck of the Irish - and a highly biased playoff committee - to have ignored such an ignominious loss.
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I can't believe I'm going to be LESS wordy than someone, but this is correct.

There should not be "special weighting of games" in college football. We don't have much control of the schedule anyhow.

Win games. That's all that really matters.
 
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BoludoCane21 said:
legitimately - no

EVERYONE from On3 (some whom I think are clowns but besides the point)
Josh Pate
Joel Klatt
Greg Mcelroy
Crain & Co
lead Sports Illustrated writers
Bruce F ^
"most" major TV people (from what I've seen online)


all of the above are legitimate football people (particularly in comparison to the ret@rds on the committee.

I don't wanna set myself up for disappointment but... the above *seems* on the undeniable Miami IN trajectory (provided BYU loss).


I personally think if BYU and Bama loses, they drop each team one place - ND up to #9 and Bama in at #10 and we're left out

Miami in? BIWISI
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I think there’s enough pressure if BYU loses and Bama just doesn’t get blown out, we will jump ND. I don’t see a scenario where they jump ND over Bama short of Bama being thoroughly outclassed.

If the committee was going to keep Bama between us and ND, they wouldn’t have been gushing about the Auburn win the way they did.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
I said it a few times in a couple different threads- the downstream effects will be immense and costly to the tv networks if committee ignores H2H. ESPN has to know this and be telling Yurachek he has to flip Miami and ND.

No AD with a brain cell will schedule big OOC games. Just focus on conference games early and win streaks before the first playoff rankings are released. Two years in a row Miami screwed itself by losing just before the first playoff rankings. That initial rank is by far the most critical. That’s the snapshot the committee seems to use to say whether passing the eyeball test, and if you start too far behind you will never catch up. It’s funny- people keep saying we can’t ever get into the playoffs going 10-2. Wrong. Committee has firmly established that when you lose is more important than if you lose. If we had lost to GT and Syracuse in game 1-2 last year , then reeled off 6 wins in a row against 3 more conference opponents and 3 cupcakes by 30+ pts, I guarantee we would have been ranked higher in the initial playoff rankings and would have got in as an at large.
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I agree. Personally I think they’ll realize this would kill OOC games. What is the benefit? If winning H2H and playing largely the same schedule as ND, which is a farce within itself, doesn’t equate to an at large what else can you do? They penalized TCU way back for a lackluster OOC and no conference championship. They’ve basically begged for these big games. Now, they are saying BFD.

But on a deeper level comparing resumes. I’m sick of hearing about ND having the same SOS as us. Their SOS is severely inflated by the two teams they lost to weeks 1 & 2. So what if you rolled Syracuse, Pitt and freaking Navy. You lost the games vs the best opponents on your schedule. At some point these morons in that room need to turn their brains on and release that.

The eye test is bull **** too. I want someone to prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt ND would beat us. Idgaf if we played there, here or Mars with no space suits. I’d bet my 401k, we’d beat them worse. This version of the Miami Hurricanes is better than the one we saw the first four games.
 
MedleyCane said:
Probably an unpopular opinion amongst fellow Cane fans and alums, but I have no problem with ND being one of the 12 playoff teams as long we are part of the dance. If anything, what I find galling is the number of SEC teams in the playoffs and the manipulation done all year to ensure they get so many of their teams in this contest. This, I find disgusting.
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You’re not wrong. If the committee wants spew this eye test bull **** they need to turn their eyes on and watch the **** show that is Oklahoma right now.
 
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