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If we're not going to get a championship grade coach we may as well let the one we have grow into the position. Changing coaches every 4 years hoping to luck into a championship coach hasn't worked for us in 20 years.
 
HurikaneMarc said:
Every coach wants to compete for a championship. Almost no chance you get enough talent at Kentucky to do that.
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Marc

Hmmmm Louisville almost did it.

They ( UL) even recruit very well here. With some efforts so can UK

ALSO do you really think that after only winning the Coastal 1 or 2 years after being in the ACC for decades......that Miami is the place to come to IF you want to win championships??

I WISH....but that clearly has NOT been the case for decades. Just saying..that's ancient history now.
 
HurikaneMarc said:
If we're not going to get a championship grade coach we may as well let the one we have grow into the position. Changing coaches every 4 years hoping to luck into a championship coach hasn't worked for us in 20 years.
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Marc, yes mistakes were made and may be made again.

I seriously doubt we're going to get a championship grade HC. I KNOW that hoping Manny grows into the job is futile and completely nuts.

There are lots of good growing coaches out there. We just have to select better and until we do we're stuck
 
Poopscoop said:
C'mon bruh. He's been a head coach at Arizona in a time when pac 10 was on point & coaching at Kentucky in the sec... Even being competitive is impressive. On top of everything else what people fail to realize is what we need out of a coach has zero to do with his record & EVERYTHING to do with his approach. His philosophies & accountability. He literally just showed y'all everything y'all should want out of any coach...
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That was Mike that was at Arizona. But everything else you said, is on point, in my opinion.
 
This guy reminds me of Mullen when he was at Miss St. everyone finding reasons why not to like a guy when he is at one of the worst P5 football programs and winning at levels they’ve never seen.

He’ll go on to another job and win 9-11 games a year and we’ll continue to say he’s not great while we continue to win 6 games.
 
I like Stoops as a defensive coach. But I’m not really sure his accomplishments at Kentucky translate to winning at Miami. He’s at a school where he can go 7-6 every year and they’re happy and that’s pretty much what he does. Yes, they play in the SEC but if you break down their annual schedule, it’s not some daunting gauntlet. First off, they play in the East so they get games against Vandy, USCe, Tenn, and Missouri every year. Georgia has been generally a powerhouse for a bit but even Florida has been pretty up and down for the last decade. So that’s four conference games against the four weakest conference opponents every year. Add to that their four game non conference schedule is Louisville (an average ACC team) and three cupcakes every year. Stoops has generally won 3 of the 4 games against the weaker conference opponents, defeated the 3 cupcakes, and split the tally of games against UL and lower tier bowls. He’s done a good job by Kentucky standards and they seem content to be a 7-6 program so I think it’s in his best interest to stay there.
 
EmilioEstevez said:
I don't understand why we're crowning this guy. He's 54-50 for his career. Has only surpassed 8 wins once in his career. And sure he beat UF, but his QB only threw for 87 yards in that game.

How is this coach going to take us out of mediocrity when he has lived in mediocrity his entire career? If he was as good as people are touting him to be, he would've been poached by another SEC school already.


Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Kentucky Wildcats (Southeastern Conference) (2013–present)
2013 Kentucky 2–10 0–8 7th (Eastern)
2014 Kentucky 5–7 2–6 6th (Eastern)
2015 Kentucky 5–7 2–6 T–4th (Eastern)
2016 Kentucky 7–6 4–4 T–2nd (Eastern) L TaxSlayer
2017 Kentucky 7–6 4–4 T–3rd (Eastern) L Music City
2018 Kentucky 10–3 5–3 T–2nd (Eastern) W Citrus 11 12
2019 Kentucky 8–5 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) W Belk
2020 Kentucky 5–6 4–6 4th (Eastern) W Gator
2021 Kentucky 5–0 3–0 (Eastern)
Kentucky: 54–50 27–42
Total: 54–50
#Rankings from final Coaches Poll.
°Rankings from final AP Poll.
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Normally I would say 54-50 doesn't impress me at all, but 54-50, in the SEC, with a team that forever was a doormat, is freaking impressive as ****. He took them from being a practice/warm up game for their league, to a team that competes well with everyone, and pulls off victories no one expects. All of this with FAR LESS talent than those he is playing against. Imagine what he could do with more talent......
 
Genghis Cane said:
He does more with less, which is a strange concept for us because we’ve had the exact opposite for 2 decades.

His job is the equivalent of Rutgers in the B1G, where every team he plays has a talent advantage.

For once in his career, give him a roster more talented than his opponents and let’s see what happens.
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I don’t want us to be the let’s see what happens program anymore
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
Normally I would say 54-50 doesn't impress me at all, but 54-50, in the SEC, with a team that forever was a doormat, is freaking impressive as ****. He took them from being a practice/warm up game for their league, to a team that competes well with everyone, and pulls off victories no one expects. All of this with FAR LESS talent than those he is playing against. Imagine what he could do with more talent......
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I agree that what he’s done at KY is impressive. My question is could he do it at Miami? Completely different animal to tame.
 
MainLineCane said:
Marc, yes mistakes were made and may be made again.

I seriously doubt we're going to get a championship grade HC. I KNOW that hoping Manny grows into the job is futile and completely nuts.

There are lots of good growing coaches out there. We just have to select better and until we do we're stuck
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I'm sure that you remember back at grassy how harsh the board was on people who suggested that Mario was a good candidate fresh after being fired from FIU. He labored for 6 years before he figured it out. Yes I know that FIU was a new program but even in year 6 Mario was 3-9.

Not saying that we should give Manny 6 years but 3 may not be enough. Anybody who has the fore sight to predict careers should have told us to stick with Mario when we had the chance.
 
DTP said:
I like Stoops as a defensive coach. But I’m not really sure his accomplishments at Kentucky translate to winning at Miami. He’s at a school where he can go 7-6 every year and they’re happy and that’s pretty much what he does. Yes, they play in the SEC but if you break down their annual schedule, it’s not some daunting gauntlet. First off, they play in the East so they get games against Vandy, USCe, Tenn, and Missouri every year. Georgia has been generally a powerhouse for a bit but even Florida has been pretty up and down for the last decade. So that’s four conference games against the four weakest conference opponents every year. Add to that their four game non conference schedule is Louisville (an average ACC team) and three cupcakes every year. Stoops has generally won 3 of the 4 games against the weaker conference opponents, defeated the 3 cupcakes, and split the tally of games against UL and lower tier bowls. He’s done a good job by Kentucky standards and they seem content to be a 7-6 program so I think it’s in his best interest to stay there.
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Exactly. Everyone clowns the gaytors for claiming $ec schedule when they play in the East, but now it's murderer's row for Stoops. And they play absolutely nobody ever worth a **** out of conference. Half the schedule is a joke and that's the half he wins by and large. Compared to Manny that's great, but so what
 
HurikaneMarc said:
I'm sure that you remember back at grassy how harsh the board was on people who suggested that Mario was a good candidate fresh after being fired from FIU. He labored for 6 years before he figured it out. Yes I know that FIU was a new program but even in year 6 Mario was 3-9.

Not saying that we should give Manny 6 years but 3 may not be enough. Anybody who has the fore sight to predict careers should have told us to stick with Mario when we had the chance.
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I understand what you're trying to say.....BUT It doesn't take a genius to know when someone is completely out of their element.

Three is MORE than enough to see ineptitude. Going beyond this year, year 3, risks doing permanent damage to this program.
 
Genghis Cane said:
He does more with less, which is a strange concept for us because we’ve had the exact opposite for 2 decades.

His job is the equivalent of Rutgers in the B1G, where every team he plays has a talent advantage.

For once in his career, give him a roster more talented than his opponents and let’s see what happens.
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You make him sound like Al Golden .

Anyhow I'll wait to see how he does the rest of this season. If he can get to 10 wins again I'll be impressed.
 
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MainLineCane said:
I understand what you're trying to say.....BUT It doesn't take a genius to know when someone is completely out of their element.

Three is MORE than enough to see ineptitude. Going beyond this year, year 3, risks doing permanent damage to this program.
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All coaches who lose and get fired display lots of ineptitude. That's why they lose.

Question is are you ready to say that Manny's career is toast right now after his first 3 years ever as a head coach.
 
HurikaneMarc said:
Think about it. If any great coach like Urban, Saban or even Dabo had been at Kentucky 8 years wouldn't they have made Kentucky into a power by now? They'd have at least been in contention for an SEC crown once.

Stoops doesn't have the super powers necessary to push us over the edge. Yes we will average about 9 - 10 wins but we're still going to be coming up short against the big guns and eventually the fans will demand a championship. I don't think Stoops will ever deliver that.
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The answer is a resounding **** no those guys would not make Kentucky a super power if they didn’t already have championship pedigree. It’s like when Phil Jackson was winning championships he had the best players in the game. When he didn’t he didn’t win it’s that simple. You need a good coach and amazing talent anything less doesn’t get you there.
 
HurikaneMarc said:
If we're not going to get a championship grade coach we may as well let the one we have grow into the position. Changing coaches every 4 years hoping to luck into a championship coach hasn't worked for us in 20 years.
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This is true as well.
 
MainLineCane said:
Marc, yes mistakes were made and may be made again.

I seriously doubt we're going to get a championship grade HC. I KNOW that hoping Manny grows into the job is futile and completely nuts.

There are lots of good growing coaches out there. We just have to select better and until we do we're stuck
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The coaching pool is not very good honestly. It’s like tennis was and is. You got 3-4 guys that rule the roost and everyone else fights for the leftovers hoping to get a bite. There is not a coach out there that you can point to and say I am confident this guy can make us a power again. I hate to agree with Dwins but you need the Jimmy’s and Joe’s.
 
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