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Brethren: Some discussion on the offense?

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I know it's early but 25% of the season is over. The offense seems to be in fairly bad shape, but we've seen some big plays that have helped put points on the board.

I thought Fisch got too cute at times but he did install his own offensive philosophy. He also had proven position coaches to help him along the way. I know folks are split on Kehoe, but it's a burden shared by both offensive coordinators.

It seems Coley likes to roll out the QB to get the TE's involved, in addition to splitting them out wide.A vast majority of his route trees seem to involve pick plays with whoever is lined up in the slot. I know this is nothing new, but Fisch relied more on bunching and it was pretty **** effective for Morris with that kind of route tree and progression.

The Oline gaps seem to be a tad wider and the stretch plays aren't working. I think it's clear the Oline isn't nimble enough to run the stretch effectively. I don't think they're nimble enough to tighten the splits and run counters but it doesn't look like it's going to be attempted much.

There also seems to be some type of addiction to losing yardage on the ground. So, I looked up the first three games from 2012 for comparison.

I hope it's fair to say @BC @KSU and BCC versus FAU, UF and SSU with 2012s first 3 games being a tougher slate to open with. Anyway, without digging too much I wanted to see how many rushing attempts resulted in negative yardage. I also wanted to see how poorly the 2012 team performed in the 4th qtr, only because of how poor this offense has performed in the same.

Rushing attempts for negative yardage (strictly rushing, no sacks or passing attempts)

2012 = 5

2013 = 24

Rushing attempts for no gain or 1 yrd (same as above and not resulting in score or end of half/game)

2012 = 10

2013 = 10

Curious about 4th qtr production and I know SSU sucks.
4th qtr TOP Yrds Points

2012: 14:57 183 31

2013: 19:13 81 7
4 yrd TD drive...TY Tyriq



I know folks have been harping on it, but are most folks confident they right the offensive ship? They've needed 4th qtr success just to become bowl eligible the past 2 yrs, they'll need it this yr to move beyond that.
 
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We need a QB who's a thinker; who can take what's given to him by the D. Morris believes the hype about his arm strength being the end all be all.
 
canedoit said:
I know it's early but 25% of the season is over. The offense seems to be in fairly bad shape, but we've seen some big plays that have helped put points on the board.
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MODS its really time to just put an end to all of these repetitive troll threads
 
The offense is doing just fine. I don't think they've really shown anything yet. Haven't had to.
 
You will most likely get slammed for starting this thread but I'll play because I think it's a valid topic to discuss.

I'm glad you mentioned the route tree. To me I think that it's the biggest difference between Coley's offense and coach Fisch's offense. I think coach Fisch's offense suited Morris better and played to his strengths more than the current offense does. I also agree with what you said about bunching I think Morris does a better job the reading that type of progression and that he struggles more reading the field from one side to the other. Of course this is all to my untrained eye so I could be full of crap but that's what it seems like to me so far. I think the offense will be just fine and that Morris will make the adjustment.

I fully understand that SSU is absolutely terrible, but I do believe that Ryan Williams does a better job of executing the entire offense in terms of utilizing all areas of the field in the short and intermediate passing game. While I am by no means suggesting that Williams should supplant Morris based on 1 quarter against a terrible opponent, I can definitely see the progression that he has made in the last year in terms of executing the offense. With Morris we have a talented yet streaky quarterback with a Cannon for an arm that struggles with his timing, rhythm, and accuracy in the short to intermediate passing game unless he is in that groove.

Morris is our guy no question but I would like to see him settled down and show more consistency. It almost seems as though he is pressing. He needs to calm down, let the game come to him and trust his weapons and the design of the offense.
 
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FrancisSaywer said:
You will most likely get slammed for starting this thread but I'll play because I think it's a valid topic to discuss. I'm glad you mentioned the route tree. To me I think that it's the biggest difference between Coley's offense and coach Fische's offense. I think coach Fische's offense suited Morris better and played to his strengths more than the current offense does. I also agree with what you said about bunching I think Morris does a better job the reading that type of progression and that he struggles more reading the field from one side to the other. Of course this is all to my untrained eye so I could be full of crap but that's what it seems like to me so far. I think the offense will be just fine and that Morris will make the adjustment.

while I fully understand that SSU is absolutely terrible, I do believe that Ryan Williams does a better job of executing the entire offense in terms of utilizing all areas of the field in the short and intermediate passing game. While I am by no means suggesting that Williams should supplant Morris based on 1 quarter against a terrible opponent, I can definitely see the progression that he has made in the last year in terms of executing the offense. With Morris we have a talented yet streaky quarterback with a Canon for an arm that struggles with his timing, rhythm, and accuracy in the short to intermediate passing game unless he is in that groove.

Morris is our guy no question but I would like to see him settled down and show more consistency. It almost seems as though he is pressing. He needs to calm down, let the game come to him and trust his weapons and the design of the offense.
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Wow, that's one culturally significant arm
 
More power blocking in the run game with Hagens as a blocker, less single back stuff with zone blocking.

Art Kehoe needs to start earning his keep.

Morris has disappointed.

We need to work the middle of the field more.
 
I don't consider the OP 's post to be a troll post. While I might not agree that the offense is in bad shape, he raises some interesting and highly technical questions about things we're doing. I don't know if he's right, but I think, overall, it's a valid post and worth thinking about.
 
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I don't think we know what we have on offense yet.

We obviously have playmakers, but we haven't seen the cohesion and explosiveness we saw at the end of last season. I think it's only a matter of time before it clicks (hopefully).

If the offense sputters against USF, then I might start to worry about Coley because he's the only variable.
 
fairly bad shape? lol
my biggest criticism of morris is he looks dowfield for the big play every time. there was one play in uf game late in the 3rd or beginning of the 4th quarter when he had walford wide open and went incomplete out to hurns I think. it was 3rd down and would have given us a 1st down and run more time off the clock. I think our te's are open in the 7-15 yard range all day and he's not looking at them.
 
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I don't think we know what we have on offense yet.

We obviously have playmakers, but we haven't seen the cohesion and explosiveness we saw at the end of last season. I think it's only a matter of time before it clicks (hopefully).

If the offense sputters against USF, then I might start to worry about Coley because he's the only variable.
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Exactly..... we have seen plays here and there, but consistency has been the issue, and nothing else. Which if i was a thinking man, i would say well the OC, the QB, and the offensive players, just need a couple games to get adjusted to the flow of the new offense.

and this is why i called this bs another repetitive troll post. How many of these threads are going to be created where the OP is taking a slight dig about an aspect of the team that has already been discussed ad nauseum?

If this offense was in "bad shape"....... then last year's offense was just a dream, it didnt happen. ???? It's all the same pieces w/ a few very talented additional pieces.... so how is this offense in "bad shape"?... only a ****** or a troll would continually say slick **** like that.

and its fair to say that you still arent sold on James Coley b/c he's the new guy..... that comes w/ the territory, all Miami fans have done since Al Golden has got here is criticize every coordinator that has worked or still works under Golden.

Coley will shut everyone up soon enough but to act like this offense is in "bad shape" when we are putting up points, just makes it seem like, Miami fans have to reach for something to ***** about since they cant complain about Coach D'onofrio and the defense anymore. smh
 
CanesAreAble said:
I don't think we know what we have on offense yet.

We obviously have playmakers, but we haven't seen the cohesion and explosiveness we saw at the end of last season. I think it's only a matter of time before it clicks (hopefully).

If the offense sputters against USF, then I might start to worry about Coley because he's the only variable.
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^Agree with this. FAU was the first game of the season and if Coley catches those 2 passes our offense and Morris would have been considered to be much better. The UF game was more about surviving and not making mistakes than trying to spread the ball around. The Don wasn't going to get too cute with their dbs. The SSU game Morris only threw the ball 4 times before getting injured so can't say the offense didn't look good with him in there.

The USF game is really going to show us where this offense is at. The team has had plenty of live action reps and USF's defense looked better in their last 2 games. If we still don't use the middle of the field, or can't get a consistent running game going, then we know we have serious problems. With this schedule though, we can still win every game except for FSU without looking "great" on offense.


GO CANES!!
 
Offensive line needs to run block better. Our only success running the ball so far has come from RBs bouncing it outside.
 
I agree with others that its too soon to tell. Both FAU and SSU were games we focused more on getting guys 'reps' and substituted a lot and therefore kept the Offense very vanilla. In the UF game the Offense looked good in the 1st quarter and then we went ultra conservative to avoid turnovers with the lead as that Florida team looked like it wouldnt be able to score on us without help in the turnover department. We likewise wont get a solid read on the offense until after GT at least as USF will be like another FAU/SSU game.

I also have been in favor of experimenting with decreasing the Oline splits as the OP suggests as it seems to me like the pressure is coming from the line not getting its hands on defenders rather than being overpowered at all. But **** it feels good to be talking about improvement here on a 3-0 team compared to the last 6-8 years and the things that drove us fans crazy over those years.
 
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Morris is gonna ball out on USF. They gonna be so worried about stopping Duke we will see some good stuff from the passing game. Hope Coach Coley unleashes the playbook on em.
 
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The SSU game tells us nothing about our offense. I'm pretty sure Central would beat SSU. We'll know more when ACC play begins.
 
Heck yeah, it feels pretty good to see the team @ 3-0. In a couple of weeks, it'll strictly be conference play. I agree with everyone that believes all of the fans questions will be answered by the time VT rolls around. For me, the team is either good enough to win the division or it isn't, and I rarely critique any other aspect.

They've got what could be the best Oline since 01-02, the best QB in a decade, the best RB since Gore, quality TEs and WRs and a pretty kick *** FB. Maybe I was expecting too much and all the negative plays and route mishaps shine a little brighter than they normally should.

The second the clock hit zero on 9/7, I had tears for that team, staff and players..for putting up with yrs of this NCAA BS and their commitment to the University. When the joy subsided, I couldn't shake the offensive impression that game left on me, knowing they'll be up against other Defenses with a pulse.
 
We're averaging 225 yards passing

We're averaging 225 yards rushing
 
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