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Brenden Sorsby- The Gambling Addiction

dolemite79 said:
What a clowna$$ fanbase

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I wanted to hit the "wow" reaction, but as I dragged my mouse, I thought, "this isn't really a surprise, so why click wow?" For as much as I want to say that our fanbase would be different, I'm not so sure it would be. Maybe we would? Who knows and I don't want to find out. Those Texas Tech fans have put up some commentary that is just straight lunacy, but the angle I really despise is when they go victim-mode. Fucccccc that. This dude was no victim. Like not even 1%. As others have said, **** Sorsby.
 
AtlAtty said:
@RozayCane brings up an interesting point and maybe someone on CIS who knows the NFL CBA can help.
If Sorsby isn’t drafted, is he not then a free agent who can sign with any team?

At this point what makes him any different from some guy on the street?

Please understand @hoops156 I agree with your position. I’m more asking from a hypothetical standpoint. Let’s say he was like the guy who played for the Eagles in the 70’s when Vermeil was their coach and the Eagles literally held an open free agent tryout. There was a movie about him in which Mark Wahlberg played the guy.
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I believe you have to go through the draft first, and have UDFA status before you can become a free agent.
 
caneingville said:
Correct! You must first have to have been drafted by an NFL team OR be actively negotiating with an NFL team as a UDFA in order to be eligible for union representation and Active Player status under the NFLPA’s CBA.
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Again, that is for union REPRESENTATION. But there are still collectively-bargained terms that cover "job applicants", i.e., players BEFORE they get drafted. These rules involve eligibility, "applying for" the draft, the combines and pro days, etc.

EVEN THOUGH Sorsby is not yet an NFL player, his lawyer is saying that the collectively-bargained terms regulating how to apply for a job playing in the NFL are being violated. Although I do not completely agree on the facts (i.e., Sorsby presented no documentary support to prove his eligibility for the Supplemental). But Sorsby's attorney has got a moderately decent legal argument to make.
 
caneingville said:
I believe you have to go through the draft first, and have UDFA status before you can become a free agent.
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This is true. The NFL always wins on this point because the purpose of entry drafts and supplemental drafts is to give every team a chance to acquire talent, rather than every "skipped college/became a free agent" player running straight to the LA Rams or something.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Again, that is for union REPRESENTATION. But there are still collectively-bargained terms that cover "job applicants", i.e., players BEFORE they get drafted. These rules involve eligibility, "applying for" the draft, the combines and pro days, etc.

EVEN THOUGH Sorsby is not yet an NFL player, his lawyer is saying that the collectively-bargained terms regulating how to apply for a job playing in the NFL are being violated. Although I do not completely agree on the facts (i.e., Sorsby presented no documentary support to prove his eligibility for the Supplemental). But Sorsby's attorney has got a moderately decent legal argument to make.
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But would they apply for this year, considering that he wasn’t in this year’s draft, combine, pro day, etc.?
 
AtlAtty said:
That is my understanding as well from some recent articles. So he’s not in the NFL until 2027 at the earliest.
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So then how does that impact TOC’s post above to me, regarding Sorsby’s job-applicant status?

One interpretation is that he will not be participating in the combine, pro day, draft, etc., until 2027, so the CBA terms will not apply to him yet.

Another is that since he applied to the supplemental draft, it does apply to him this year.

I don’t know the answer, and I don’t know if it’s available. It’s an interesting question, however, and one that I am not sure we’ve ever seen before.
 
caneingville said:
But would they apply for this year, considering that he wasn’t in this year’s draft, combine, pro day, etc.?
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The Supplemental is held for the players who apply BECAUSE they lost college eligibility in between the deadline to register for the REGULAR draft and the deadline to register for the SUPPLEMENTAL draft.

What Sorsby's lawyer is saying is that the NFL is unreasonably (and against the collectively-bargained guidelines) withholding permission to enter the Supplemental.

In Sorsby's favor:

1. The application was timely
2. The eligibility reason is accurate

In the NFL's favor:

1. Apparently Sorsby did not provide any supporting documentation that explained his eligible reason
2. The NFL has no obligation to keep pushing back the deadline, just because one guy and his attorney couldn't get their **** together

To sum it up in some terms that the lawyers will understand, the NFL needs some time to examine the supporting documentation, particularly the issue that the NFL raised, which is that the lawsuit against the NCAA was "recently dismissed". As many of us know, a lawsuit can sometimes be voluntarily withdrawn in order for the plaintiff to amend and refile. However, if the lawsuit was dismissed or withdrawn with prejudice, it is nearly impossible to refile. What the NFL is trying to avoid is that if they let Sorsby into the Supplemental, and then he goes out and refiles his TRO and finds the same-old corrupt judge who grants his TRO, and now you have a guy "in the draft" AND ALSO with remaining college eligibility.

The NFL doesn't want another NBA "Charles Bediako" situation.
 
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AtlAtty said:
That is my understanding as well from some recent articles. So he’s not in the NFL until 2027 at the earliest.
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Yes.

Which his attorney is going to say is a "de facto" one-year suspension.

Regardless of whether someone agrees or disagrees, the NFL still needs to have supporting paperwork if they are going to allow him to enter the 2026 Supplemental (and it seems like that time has passed anyhow). Otherwise, he is free to enter the 2027 "regular" draft.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
The Supplemental is held for the players who apply BECAUSE they lost college eligibility in between the deadline to register for the REGULAR draft and the deadline to register for the SUPPLEMENTAL draft.

What Sorsby's lawyer is saying is that the NFL is unreasonably (and against the collectively-bargained guidelines) withholding permission to enter the Supplemental.

In Sorsby's favor:

1. The application was timely
2. The eligibility reason is accurate

In the NFL's favor:

1. Apparently Sorsby did not provide any supporting documentation that explained his eligible reason
2. The NFL has no obligation to keep pushing back the deadline, just because one guy and his attorney couldn't get their **** together

To sum it up in some terms that the lawyers will understand, the NFL needs some time to examine the supporting documentation, particularly the issue that the NFL raised, which is that the lawsuit against the NCAA was "recently dismissed". As many of us know, a lawsuit can sometimes be voluntarily withdrawn in order for the plaintiff to amend and refile. However, if the lawsuit was dismissed or withdrawn with prejudice, it is nearly impossible to refile. What the NFL is "trying to avoid" is that they let Sorsby into the Supplemental, then he refiles his TRO and finds that same-old same-old corrupt judge who grants his TRO, and now you have a guy "in the draft" AND ALSO with remaining college eligibility.

The NFL doesn't want another NBA "Charles Bediako" situation.
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Ahhhh….okay, I didn’t realize that was the sole qualification for the supplemental draft. That obviously makes sense then.
 
caneingville said:
Ahhhh….okay, I didn’t realize that was the sole qualification for the supplemental draft. That obviously makes sense then.
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For everyone who thinks Sorsby is just going to sue the NFL/CFL, please remember that those leagues have CBA’s in place that have been negotiated between owners and players. The NCAA not operating with a CBA is what makes it more susceptible to lawsuits because the players never “agreed” to the rules that are being enforced.

Sorsby will likely have to sue the NFLin NYC. A decidedly different venue than west Texas
 
AtlAtty said:
For everyone who thinks Sorsby is just going to sue the NFL/CFL, please remember that those leagues have CBA’s in place that have been negotiated between owners and players. The NCAA not operating with a CBA is what makes it more susceptible to lawsuits because the players never “agreed” to the rules that are being enforced.

Sorsby will likely have to sue the NFLin NYC. A decidedly different venue than west Texas
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His argument is, “I followed the rules the CBA and NFL/CFL agreed to.”
 
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