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Breaking - Mark Emmert stepping down in 2023

He won't even be thought of again ( outside of the SEC).....let alone missed by anyone
 
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TUSKtimes said:
From what? Some players are millionaires and others are all getting paid with signed checks.
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Fortunately for you guys what Bama has been doing under the table in bags for years is no legal. No doubt Saban is a great coach, but you guys have had an unfair advantage over lot of schools for a while with the NCAA turning a blind eye. I believe that is what the poster was referring too.
 
kccanefan said:
Fortunately for you guys what Bama has been doing under the table in bags for years is no legal. No doubt Saban is a great coach, but you guys have had an unfair advantage over lot of schools for a while with the NCAA turning a blind eye. I believe that is what the poster was referring too.
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Mario Cristobal was one of the best recruiters for his years at the Capstone. He was also one of the best recruiters at Oregon as he did it the BAMA way in his own words. Now he's one of the best recruiters at Miami.

Our unfair advantage has been Nick Saban for over a decade and a half.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Mario Cristobal was one of the best recruiters for his years at the Capstone. He was also one of the best recruiters at Oregon as he did it the BAMA way in his own words. Now he's one of the best recruiters at Miami.

Our unfair advantage has been Nick Saban for over a decade and a half.
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Cristobal is a great recruiter and I wasn't just talking about him. Saban is a great recruiter as well. However, there's been coaches that were mediocre to average that have recruited above their normal level while there. Stop bullsh*tting around and acting like the program itself with your boosters getting kids suits, cars, parents houses, and money under the table hasn't also played a huge role in the success.
 
dirtyred786 said:
His only job was to keep status quo and enforce the rules against the non blue bloods of college football. NIL is the great equalizer. Now that everyone can play the bag game above the table, he's useless to the blue bloods.
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Can you name a period in college football where bluebloods didn't exist? A true blueblood has been relevant for decades, some for over 100 years. Some organizations are just better than others. Some will always care more about sports than others. Better organization, better coaching, better facilities, Just better. Nothing smoke and mirrors about winning college football games for over a century and counting.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Can you name a period in college football where bluebloods didn't exist? A true blueblood has been relevant for decades, some for over 100 years. Some organizations are just better than others. Some will always care more about sports than others. Better organization, better coaching, better facilities, Just better. Nothing smoke and mirrors about winning college football games for over a century and counting.
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The gap between bluebloods and the midtier programs exploded around the beginning of the BCS era. The game was much more competitive before then. Outrageous money started pooring in and the SEC was the quickest to capitalize on the change with investments into their programs and organizations. I believe the biggest issue most fans have with Emmert is the rules enforcement and it being fair across the board. It wasn't and he seemed to favor one conference. There lies the problem.
 
kccanefan said:
Cristobal is a great recruiter and I wasn't just talking about him. Saban is a great recruiter as well. However, there's been coaches that were mediocre to average that have recruited above their normal level while there. Stop bullsh*tting around and acting like the program itself with your boosters getting kids suits, cars, parents houses, and money under the table hasn't also played a huge role in the success.
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Only if you stop believing Miami had a different recipe during the time of all those talented Hurricane teams.

Coach Saban has spoken louder than most about the mess the NILs have put us all in. That has always been a personal indictment of Mark Emmert and the NCAA. Now, the NIL backlash and lack of game plan going forward is the most probable reason he just decided to retire. Turns out, begging the federal government to do your job for you isn't much of a blueprint for success.
 
kccanefan said:
The gap between bluebloods and the midtier programs exploded around the beginning of the BCS era. The game was much more competitive before then. Outrageous money started pooring in and the SEC was the quickest to capitalize on the change with investments into their programs and organizations. I believe the biggest issue most fans have with Emmert is the rules enforcement and it being fair across the board. It wasn't and he seemed to favor one conference. There lies the problem.
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The biggest change between blueblood and the rest of humanity has been the format. Now, instead of smoky backrooms with head coaches and ADs picking their opponents for bowl games and letting a biased media pick the NC they have to prove it on the field. And when that happens a funny thing happens, the best coaches and most talented team tends to win. The SEC happens to be surrounded by the absolute best talent in America and has for decades.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Mario Cristobal was one of the best recruiters for his years at the Capstone. He was also one of the best recruiters at Oregon as he did it the BAMA way in his own words. Now he's one of the best recruiters at Miami.

Our unfair advantage has been Nick Saban for over a decade and a half.
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Look, I understand that you are going to favor Alabama, but you are firmly in self-delusional territory here.

I don't give a **** if Mario wants to name drop "the BAMA way" to try to make a modern-day reference. But his entire personality, his competitiveness, his motivation, his ability to talk to people and relate to people, was forged when he lived and played in South Florida.

Yes, Saban may have showed Mario the merits of having a huge support staff. Got it. Fair point, as Miami in the 80s and 90s did not have such a numerical advantage.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Mario Cristobal was created out of whole cloth between 2013 and 2016.

But nice try, just ignoring all of the great recruiting and coaching that Mario did at Miami and Rutgers and FIU before he ever arrived in Tuscaloosa.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Can you name a period in college football where bluebloods didn't exist? A true blueblood has been relevant for decades, some for over 100 years. Some organizations are just better than others. Some will always care more about sports than others. Better organization, better coaching, better facilities, Just better. Nothing smoke and mirrors about winning college football games for over a century and counting.
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Nobody is saying that bluebloods haven't existed.

But there was also a period of time when bluebloods didn't have a stranglehold on the National Championship. When teams like Pitt and BYU and Colorado and Georgia Tech (and even pre-blueblood Miami) could win a National Championship.

Sure, bluebloods have always existed. Doesn't mean that we have to hand one of them the trophy every year.
 
The rise of conferences in the 90's led to the BCS/CFP and the current situation. The path to success was through a comparatively easier conference schedule. You didn't have to have an AD who could schedule tough opponents to show your ability.

Saban is a good college coach who set up a program that could have repeatable results. He did that with money, pure and simple. He could not have done nearly as well at Vanderbilt or UCF or any college without deep pockets.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I understand that you are going to favor Alabama, but you are firmly in self-delusional territory here.

I don't give a **** if Mario wants to name drop "the BAMA way" to try to make a modern-day reference. But his entire personality, his competitiveness, his motivation, his ability to talk to people and relate to people, was forged when he lived and played in South Florida.

Yes, Saban may have showed Mario the merits of having a huge support staff. Got it. Fair point, as Miami in the 80s and 90s did not have such a numerical advantage.

Let's not delude ourselves into thinking that Mario Cristobal was created out of whole cloth between 2013 and 2016.

But nice try, just ignoring all of the great recruiting and coaching that Mario did at Miami and Rutgers and FIU before he ever arrived in Tuscaloosa.
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Did your organization want any part of Mario Cristabol as a head coach after he was fired from FIU? Not hardly. Mario took the BAMA job for the same reason a lot of ex-head coaches take the BAMA job. To figure it out. You and I know Miami was carefully watching the Oregon situation to see if Mario learned anything. Then, and only then, did Mario become this hot commodity in South Beach.

Now the narrative and history seem to be needing, even more, tweaking by the orange and green masses as the "4th quarter program" and the BAMA way starts taking shape. At this rate, I figure in a year or two Mario spending even a little time in Tuscaloosa should pretty much just be ancient mythology and hearsay.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Only if you stop believing Miami had a different recipe during the time of all those talented Hurricane teams.

Coach Saban has spoken louder than most about the mess the NILs have put us all in. That has always been a personal indictment of Mark Emmert and the NCAA. Now, the NIL backlash and lack of game plan going forward is the most probable reason he just decided to retire. Turns out, begging the federal government to do your job for you isn't much of a blueprint for success.
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So your saying that Miami's talented teams where bought like Bama's teams. That's simply untrue my friend and you know it. Miami has had the luxury of just being located in the best area for football talent. They started emphasizing speed and getting athletes they could bulk up and develop. Butch just had a wonderful eye for talent and was also a great developer. Saban came down to see what he was doing. Bama has no naturally recruiting advantage. They hadn't been relevant in over 20 years before Saban started his run. Bama's recruiting model was also more regional. That changed once Saban arrived. In addition, they upped that bag game. More under the table deals for talent, buying houses and getting parents jobs (Tua family, Rueben Foster), cars, etc as I mentioned previously. That's not the way Miami did things at all.

Saban is just as responsible as Emmert for creating this NIL mess we're in. How long did he think dumping all this money into the organization wasn't going to result in everyone getting greedy and wanting a bigger slice of the pie.
 
TUSKtimes said:
Did your organization want any part of Mario Cristabol as a head coach after he was fired from FIU? Not hardly. Mario took the BAMA job for the same reason a lot of ex-head coaches take the BAMA job. To figure it out. You and I know Miami was carefully watching the Oregon situation to see if Mario learned anything. Then, and only then, did Mario become this hot commodity in South Beach.

Now the narrative and history seem to be needing, even more, tweaking by the orange and green masses as the "4th quarter program" and the BAMA way starts taking shape. At this rate, I figure in a year or two Mario spending even a little time in Tuscaloosa should pretty much just be ancient mythology and hearsay.
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I'm just going to ask an un-PC question. Are you ******* retarded?

Did I say that Mario was offered the HEAD coaching job at Miami after he was fired from FIU? No.

BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY OFFERED (AND ACCEPTED) AN ASSISTANT COACHING JOB AT MIAMI AFTER FIU. Please don't tell me you are this stupid. You do realize that you hired Mario away from MIAMI and not FIU, right?

As for what you think Miami was doing "carefully watching the Oregon situation", you are again deluded. There were plenty of people (and many in powerful positions) who wanted to hire Mario when Richt stepped down, but our ratfvck weasel of an Athletic Director and his buddy on the Board of Trustees rushed the hire of Manny because Beta Blake James was terrified of having an alpha like Mario working for him. It had NOTHING to do with Mario "learning anything" or "winning Pac 12 titles". Most everyone at Miami knew what Mario is and wanted Mario 3 years earlier, we just got screwed over by our incompetent AD who has since been FIRED.

Nobody is erasing Mario's time at Tuscaloosa, you just can't seem to handle proper attribution and analysis. Nobody denies that Mario learned a tremendous amount from Saban about the modern-day approach to resources and staffing and organization. But YOU are the one who acts like Mario didn't learn anything from playing for and/or working under Jimmy Johnson or Dennis Erickson or Butch Davis. YOU are the one acting as if Mario's ability to recruit and Mario's ability to coach was just invented in 2013.

Yes, Alabama can be a great finishing school. Some do very well afterwards (Mario). Some do not (Dan Enos). But to act as if every single coach with an Alabama-under-Nick-Saban resume line should attribute every single subsequent accomplishment to Nick Saban is just a joke.

Particularly for a guy who has played for and/or coached under Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, Butch Davis, and Greg Schiano, not to mention working with some of the great ASSISTANT coaches who have been at Miami and Rutgers prior to Mario becoming a head coach for the first time.

Look, man, you did a good job (for a while) impersonating a calm, balanced, insightful, and fair Alabama fan. But the strain has been too much. You are cracking. You are leaking "Saban is the best and only one true God" robot fluid.

I fear your time and contributions on this board are coming to an end.
 
kccanefan said:
So your saying that Miami's talented teams where bought like Bama's teams.
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TheOriginalCane said:
I'm just going to ask an un-PC question. Are you ******* retarded?

Did I say that Mario was offered the HEAD coaching job at Miami after he was fired from FIU? No.

BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY OFFERED (AND ACCEPTED) AN ASSISTANT COACHING JOB AT MIAMI AFTER FIU. Please don't tell me you are this stupid. You do realize that you hired Mario away from MIAMI and not FIU, right?

As for what you think Miami was doing "carefully watching the Oregon situation", you are again deluded. There were plenty of people (and many in powerful positions) who wanted to hire Mario when Richt stepped down, but our ratfvck weasel of an Athletic Director and his buddy on the Board of Trustees rushed the hire of Manny because Beta Blake James was terrified of having an alpha like Mario working for him. It had NOTHING to do with Mario "learning anything" or "winning Pac 12 titles". Most everyone at Miami knew what Mario is and wanted Mario 3 years earlier, we just got screwed over by our incompetent AD who has since been FIRED.

Nobody is erasing Mario's time at Tuscaloosa, you just can't seem to handle proper attribution and analysis. Nobody denies that Mario learned a tremendous amount from Saban about the modern-day approach to resources and staffing and organization. But YOU are the one who acts like Mario didn't learn anything from playing for and/or working under Jimmy Johnson or Dennis Erickson or Butch Davis. YOU are the one acting as if Mario's ability to recruit and Mario's ability to coach was just invented in 2013.

Yes, Alabama can be a great finishing school. Some do very well afterwards (Mario). Some do not (Dan Enos). But to act as if every single coach with an Alabama-under-Nick-Saban resume line should attribute every single subsequent accomplishment to Nick Saban is just a joke.

Particularly for a guy who has played for and/or coached under Jimmy Johnson, Dennis Erickson, Butch Davis, and Greg Schiano, not to mention working with some of the great ASSISTANT coaches who have been at Miami and Rutgers prior to Mario becoming a head coach for the first time.

Look, man, you did a good job (for a while) impersonating a calm, balanced, insightful, and fair Alabama fan. But the strain has been too much. You are cracking. You are leaking "Saban is the best and only one true God" robot fluid.

I fear your time and contributions on this board are coming to an end.
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Dude, you can fear anything you want about my time over here. Why would I try to put myself in a position to tell you what Mairo learned from Jimmy Johnson or during his playing career with the Hurricanes? Nothing that I've noted about his time with Alabama and beyond that hasn't been noted by other Hurricane fans on this forum. Do you equally fear their time is over as well?
 
MainLineCane said:
He won't even be thought of again ( outside of the SEC).....let alone missed by anyone
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You got that right, especially us. His personal vendetta, and yes, I still believe it was his personal vendetta, not NCAA "enforcement", in breaking their own rules to drill us in the Shapiro investigation via bankruptcy testimony was abhorrent and I pray his sins in Baton Rouge come back to haunt him one day, though not holding my breath of course.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Dude, you can fear anything you want about my time over here. Why would I try to put myself in a position to tell you what Mairo learned from Jimmy Johnson or during his playing career with the Hurricanes? Nothing that I've noted about his time with Alabama and beyond that hasn't been noted by other Hurricane fans on this forum. Do you equally fear their time is over as well?
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So your claim is that what you are saying is what every other Miami fan is saying?

Hilarious.





OK, I'll give you Mackmiller, but other than him....
 
grover said:
What he tried to do to Miami over Shapiro … I don’t want him to burn but yeah he’s a rat *******.
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Not just for that but illegally trying to prevent these athletes from earning money to support themselves and their families. So much so that the Supreme Court condemned the NCAA practices. All the while, rich fat cats like him made more money while exploiting athletes, most of which are minorities. He oversaw modern slavery as far as I am concerned. Eff him.
 
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