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Breaking: FSU admits they are a poverty program - will hire Luke Loucks as HC

AmherstCane said:
I suspect Boozers to Miami is squarely in the realm of fan fantasy.

For many reasons.

They didn’t go to Duke for Jai. And they’re probably not going to go to Miami for Jai. Because of that - and the fact that there is honor even amongst thieves - I doubt Jai would want to burn every bridge he has to Scheyer and Duke world. He hasn’t been a coach long enough to do something like that.

I think the only play for the Boozers to Miami is through Moran… but I would imagine the Boozer family is more savvy than that.

Anyone who suggests that Jai is a better basketball coach than Coach L right now is on drugs. And the Boozers are not dummies. So the idea that the Boozers would go to Miami to play for Jai when they wouldn’t go to Miami to play for L is probably a silly notion… regardless of how much they might like Jai.

Of course, people do irrational stuff all the time… so hold on!
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Some other things to consider.

They didn't go to Duke for Jai alone. But they also didn't go to Duke for Scheyer alone. Anyone who suggests that Scheyer is a better basketball coach than Coach L right now is on drugs. If Coach K was still at Duke, I'd put Miami's chances at zero. But that's not the case.

The reality is this. Miami finished a very close second to Duke in this recruitment. The "Duke legacy" and "Nike school" issues were things that impacted the decision. And while it was not the SOLE DETERMINANT, the recruitment by Jai was something that caused the needle to swing in Duke's direction, since ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, the family would have chosen for the twins to stay close to home playing for Coach L.

So the true analysis is to determine how much Jai's move and the possibility of switching back to Nike have created a pathway for a reconsideration of Miami as an option. Because we know the "you'll be coached by Coach L" factor is off the table. So does the family see Jai as a greater, equal, or lesser coach compared to Scheyer? I don't know. And does the family see the LOSS of Jai at Duke as enough of a factor to swing the balance? I don't know.

Let it play out. We will know soon enough.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
So logical and reasonable. If only the fans who "only hear the word Duke" or who "love all the hype videos" could understand that this transition is gonna take a couple of years to bake in.
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If I were the decision maker I would have done it differently. But the decision makers here are super smart and successful individuals who have earned the right to make the decision.

Also, if this is looked at as a long term play and the financial support continues to be provided… could be special. But I do strongly believe expectations have to be held in check the first couple years because he’s gotta figure out his identity as a head coach (and the identity he wants his team to have).
 
AmherstCane said:
If I were the decision maker I would have done it differently. But the decision makers here are super smart and successful individuals who have earned the right to make the decision.

Also, if this is looked at as a long term play and the financial support continues to be provided… could be special. But I do strongly believe expectations have to be held in check the first couple years because he’s gotta figure out his identity as a head coach (and the identity he wants his team to have).
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So what you are saying is since we didnt hire a proven winning veteran coach we as fans have to lower or temper our early Jai years exoectations?
 
gacaneaddict said:
So what you are saying is since we didnt hire a proven winning veteran coach we as fans have to lower or temper our early Jai years exoectations?
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I’m just as unhappy with the hire as you. Just trying to be positive. And I also think that anyone expecting much early success (in the W-L column, not talking about recruiting) is likely to be disappointed.
 
AmherstCane said:
I’m just as unhappy with the hire as you. Just trying to be positive. And I also think that anyone expecting much early success (in the W-L column, not talking about recruiting) is likely to be disappointed.
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Well that would certainly suck. Look at how quickly Louisville has turned things around.
 
Gables Canes said:
Well that would certainly suck. Look at how quickly Louisville has turned things around.
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gacaneaddict said:
So what you are saying is since we didnt hire a proven winning veteran coach we as fans have to lower or temper our early Jai years exoectations?
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Unless he recruits a team full of 5-stars and 4-stars immediately, it would be wise to do so.
 
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Canedude08 said:
Sam is likely to get an NBA HC job soon, so it makes sense, especially if he knows FSU isn’t serious about funding and supporting their program, which they obviously aren’t. Serious programs don’t make these hires.
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Sam Cassell has been an NBA Assistant Coach for 17 seasons and been a lead assistant for the last 10 years. Seems like he is on the Jay Larranga track of being a lifelong NBA assistant which honestly isn’t a bad thing. Lead assistants make over $1M, doesn’t have to recruit, and get summers off unless they HC summer league teams.
 
AmherstCane said:
I suspect Boozers to Miami is squarely in the realm of fan fantasy.

For many reasons.

They didn’t go to Duke for Jai. And they’re probably not going to go to Miami for Jai. Because of that - and the fact that there is honor even amongst thieves - I doubt Jai would want to burn every bridge he has to Scheyer and Duke world. He hasn’t been a coach long enough to do something like that.

I think the only play for the Boozers to Miami is through Moran… but I would imagine the Boozer family is more savvy than that.

Anyone who suggests that Jai is a better basketball coach than Coach L right now is on drugs. And the Boozers are not dummies. So the idea that the Boozers would go to Miami to play for Jai when they wouldn’t go to Miami to play for L is probably a silly notion… regardless of how much they might like Jai.

Of course, people do irrational stuff all the time… so hold on!
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i would think his father has more cache in the basketball world than John Scheyer.

nothing to do with the boozers...just in referenece to scheyer who has no pull outside of the triangle and durham in my mind.
 
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AmherstCane said:
I think Jai is a terrific person.

I don’t think he is fully prepared to step in as the HC of a P5 team.

In his interview with Joe Z he talked about prioritizing defense… but also pushing tempo offensively and scoring in the 80s.

That sounds AMAZING… except it is *almost* impossible to do in the real world.

Sure, it works with Cooper Flag and 4 other top-20 recruits… but that’s not a realistic roster for us in the next 3-5 years (if ever).

So… those comments unfortunately reinforce my fundamental concerns that the guy is gonna have to figure out what his style and strategy is while also learning to be a head coach.
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Duke doing just fine without him? We were told he was so important to their defensive strategy?

 
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CANESCANES said:
Duke doing just fine without him? We were told he was so important to their defensive strategy?

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I don’t think I was the one to tell you that…

But also the sample size is (and will continue to be) too small to make any real judgments one way or another about Jai’s contributions.

He’s our coach… let’s hope he learned how to run a winning program in the two years that he had with a team that actually won games at a high level.
 
AmherstCane said:
I don’t think I was the one to tell you that…

But also the sample size is (and will continue to be) too small to make any real judgments one way or another about Jai’s contributions.

He’s our coach… let’s hope he learned how to run a winning program in the two years that he had with a team that actually won games at a high level.
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No you weren’t, just saying seems overblown how the propaganda was being pushed about him, Duke is Duke, Jon Sheyer is the head man, seems to have things under control
 
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