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Breakdown of O formation and results

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BoxingRobes said:
Yeah, brother. You're just dealing with a lesser talent at this level.

If you watch the Cowboys, watch Noah Brown...he's super effective, but kind of slow, so you can see him go through the reads he makes before he can break off, almost like a checklist. Someone like Cooper Kupp processes so many things instantaneously, you just don't see it...but it was fun to watch Brown because of it.
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Love brown on my 'Boys!
 
CBurrr93 said:
Anything we aren’t dead last in the nation in?
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😂 And we have played ONE P5 school.
We’re dead last in almost everything playing against mostly cupcakes.
We don’t really do anything well, but Smith has been getting some kick returns against “inferior competition”, I use that term very lightly at this point, so I would think we rated pretty good there.
 
Cribby said:
So it’s all TVD now? It was all on the wr‘s just a couple weeks ago. Coaches and fans were ripping that group. Maybe , just maybe it’s everything Including a scheme that kids have had trouble picking up and a OC who has a lot of questions about his scheme.
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AUcane said:
The condensed vs non-condensed stuff is interesting to me. I'm sure Gattis looks at the pro teams like Chiefs and Rams (actually, lots of teams employ this scheme) with all their condensed sets and thinks, this is great, I'll do this. Why it doesn't work in college is beyond me but I'm guessing it has to do with these plays requiring more precision from WRs/QBs in order to execute the offense. I dunno.
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Both fair, and IMO, linked points.

NFL players are good enough to win matchups when they're only using 60% of the field, college players cannot.

People keep talking about not having Harley or Rambo, but then overlook that those two were entirely unremarkable, and recipients of the same criticisms, albeit at different programs, until they were put in a scheme that tipped the odds in the offense's favor.

Those two WRs were more successful under Lashlee because he threatened 80% of the field in every formation and schemed them open. He also took the easy money and forced teams to make choices.

Gattis does none of this. It leads to an uncomfortable QB whose mechanics are a mess, and WRs who have to make way too many contested catches, or grabs in traffic when that is clearly not their strong suit.
 
simplycanes said:
Both fair, and IMO, linked points.

NFL players are good enough to win matchups when they're only using 60% of the field, college players cannot.

People keep talking about not having Harley or Rambo, but then overlook that those two were entirely unremarkable, and recipients of the same criticisms, albeit at different programs, until they were put in a scheme that tipped the odds in the offense's favor.

Those two WRs were more successful under Lashlee because he threatened 80% of the field in every formation and schemed them open. He also took the easy money and forced teams to make choices.

Gattis does none of this. It leads to an uncomfortable QB whose mechanics are a mess, and WRs who have to make way too many contested catches, or grabs in traffic when that is clearly not their strong suit.
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We rarely throw wr screens and we never throw rb screens. rb screens are a staple of any pro style offense, and should have been used continuously because they were bringing pressure almost every down.
 
9oh4Cane said:
Everyone on here agrees we need to spread it out but there’s a good chance those stats are skewed.

My question would be, of those snaps in condensed sets, how many are in 3rd and 3 or less situations? How many in the red zone? Etc…

Not all plays/formations are designed for high yardage but instead for high probability of short yardage conversion. For ex, a QB sneak (usually condensed sets) has a higher probability of picking up a 1st on 4th an inches than a go route down the sidelines (usually spread), but a go route down the sidelines would have a higher YPP (unless 2022 TVD is throwing it).

Some plays are limited in yardage due to where the play started on the field (touchdown plays).

This analysis should be limited to 1st and 2nd down plays outside of the red zone.

Where’s @Lance Roffers when you need a fellow stat nerd.
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Yeah, what you’re looking for is Expected Points Added, which takes into account the EPA based on field position, down, result etc. It should take into account all the things you talk about, though extreme plays can get big numbers.

If you want just a pass/fail metric for what you’re referring to, you can use success rate, which is just percentage of times achieving the first on that play. Downside is a 4-yard run is worth the same here as a 30-yard TD Run.
 
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E1k said:
Where can we see or listen
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I don’t really want to be a jerk to D$ and post about another site. I moved to a place called OBBLegend.com and my stuff is behind a paywall because they pay me for them.

Also have a podcast doing X’s/O’s stuff, so I don’t feel as bad there because it doesn’t really compete with the pod here. I don’t think it comes out until today or tomorrow

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Sheeeesh:

www.canesinsight.com

Confirmed - Josh Gattis

I think he’s an ok hire but his offense didn’t work until they got an elite ol this year. I doubt we have that anytime soon. They were 63rd in scoring in 2020 and he seems to burn bridges and air dirty laundry everywhere he goes. From the mike locksley beef a couple years ago to now...
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Cribby said:
I got a lot of heat for my opinions two weeks ago, I was “scorched earth , mope guy” lol.
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Hear me CIS. Embrace my words.

With TVD as QB1, Hurricanes are facing a legitimate possibility of Ls for remaining schedule. His mind and demeanor are cooked...this doesn't get fixed in two week bye with UNC looming.

Now, I want to believe after a loss to UNC or even one more, TVD will sit and Garcia will get a chance...
 
Empirical Cane said:
Hear me CIS. Embrace my words.

With TVD as QB1, Hurricanes are facing a legitimate possibility of Ls for remaining schedule. His mind and demeanor are cooked...this doesn't get fixed in two week bye with UNC looming.

Now, I want to believe after a loss to UNC or even one more, TVD will sit and Garcia will get a chance...
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UNC's defense made Drew Pyne look fyne. Its a slump buster defense. If TVD looks as bad as he's had with two weeks and that defense...sheesh...FUBAR.
 
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