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Breakdown of O formation and results

The condensed vs non-condensed stuff is interesting to me. I'm sure Gattis looks at the pro teams like Chiefs and Rams (actually, lots of teams employ this scheme) with all their condensed sets and thinks, this is great, I'll do this. Why it doesn't work in college is beyond me but I'm guessing it has to do with these plays requiring more precision from WRs/QBs in order to execute the offense. I dunno.
 
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dirtyred786 said:
There was no film on him last year, but if you go back and watch games he stared down receivers last year too. Defensive coordinators get paid a lot of money to find tendencies and weaknesses, and they have. The cat is out of the bag. He stares down receivers from the snap.
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They won’t respond to this because it doesn’t fit the narrative. TVD is off and everyone is a doing a big song and dance around the subject as if its not happening. he’s throwing ducks and his footwork is horrible. He’s got cement shoes in the pocket, he can’t move naturally because he’s stiff as ****.
 
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How much time is he spending working on timing and nuances in this offense? How much time doing NIL stuff and golfing? His stardom is new to him and I’m not sure it isn’t having a negative affect on his play on the field.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
just came to post this. Exactly what you'd expect.

-In the Hurricanes' two losses, with Van Dyke under center, the offense has run 83 plays in a non-condensed formation, and 77 plays in a condensed one. The contrasting results between the two are staggering.

Miami's yards per play in non-condensed formations (sacks not included) is 5.43 as opposed to 3.87 in condensed. UM's yards per passing attempt is also better – 5.56 compared to 4.00 – as well as yards per carry – 5.25 compared to 3.34.

-Against Middle Tennessee State, the quarterback was decent in non-condensed sets, completing 10 of 16 passes for 98 yards. In condensed sets, however, he was awful, completing only five of 14 passes for a mere 29 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions.

These statistics shed a light on the necessary direction that Gattis and the rest of Miami's coaches must take with the offense moving forward if they plan on playing Van Dyke. He is an up-tempo, spread-style quarterback that has been thrust into a more power-based, pro-style scheme that does not benefit him and the rest of Miami's offensive personnel.

Note: But if UM does not make these schematic changes towards a more spread-based offense, then Jake Garcia looks to be a better fit at quarterback. The redshirt freshman was 5-for-8 for 84 yards in the second half of the Hurricanes' game against MTSU in condensed formations. He also played in a similar offense in high school to the one that Gattis runs at Miami.
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AtrainCane said:
They won’t respond to this because it doesn’t fit the narrative. TVD is off and everyone is a doing a big song and dance around the subject as if its not happening. The he’s throwing ducks and his footwork is horrible. He’s got cement shoes in the pocket, he can’t move naturally because he’s stiff as ****.
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So it’s all TVD now? It was all on the wr‘s just a couple weeks ago. Coaches and fans were ripping that group. Maybe , just maybe it’s everything Including a scheme that kids have had trouble picking up and a OC who has a lot of questions about his scheme.
 
Cribby said:
So it’s all TVD now? It was all on the wr‘s just a couple weeks ago. Coaches and fans were ripping that group. Maybe , just maybe it’s everything Including a scheme that kids have had trouble picking up and a OC who has a lot of questions about his scheme.
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Nope it’s not all of TVD. Not one time did I say that. It’s on Gattis too. But everyone is saying fire Gattis but not really looking at Van Dyke. He is missing open receivers and choosing cover receivers over wide open ones. It’s there, but it seems nobody wants to acknowledge it.
 
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AtrainCane said:
And again I’m critical of the fact they keep playing Mallory and won’t play Skinner. Those personnel decisions have me baffled.
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Mallory should be used as a wr in the slot , never inline. That’s been obvious for awhile now. Skinner too for that matter , **** minus Mammarelli they all should.
 
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9oh4Cane said:
Everyone on here agrees we need to spread it out but there’s a good chance those stats are skewed.

My question would be, of those snaps in condensed sets, how many are in 3rd and 3 or less situations? How many in the red zone? Etc…

Not all plays/formations are designed for high yardage but instead for high probability of short yardage conversion. For ex, a QB sneak (usually condensed sets) has a higher probability of picking up a 1st on 4th an inches than a go route down the sidelines (usually spread), but a go route down the sidelines would have a higher YPP (unless 2022 TVD is throwing it).

Some plays are limited in yardage due to where the play started on the field (touchdown plays).

This analysis should be limited to 1st and 2nd down plays outside of the red zone.

Where’s @Lance Roffers when you need a fellow stat nerd.
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@ben, any luck with Roffers yet?
 
Cribby said:
Mallory should be used as a wr in the slot , never inline. That’s been obvious for awhile now. Skinner top for that matter , **** minus Mammarelli they also should.
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I have wanted this for the longest time. It's infuriating.
 
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AUcane said:
The condensed vs non-condensed stuff is interesting to me. I'm sure Gattis looks at the pro teams like Chiefs and Rams (actually, lots of teams employ this scheme) with all their condensed sets and thinks, this is great, I'll do this. Why it doesn't work in college is beyond me but I'm guessing it has to do with these plays requiring more precision from WRs/QBs in order to execute the offense. I dunno.
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Yeah, brother. You're just dealing with a lesser talent at this level.

If you watch the Cowboys, watch Noah Brown...he's super effective, but kind of slow, so you can see him go through the reads he makes before he can break off, almost like a checklist. Someone like Cooper Kupp processes so many things instantaneously, you just don't see it...but it was fun to watch Brown because of it.
 
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