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just came to post this. Exactly what you'd expect.

-In the Hurricanes' two losses, with Van Dyke under center, the offense has run 83 plays in a non-condensed formation, and 77 plays in a condensed one. The contrasting results between the two are staggering.

Miami's yards per play in non-condensed formations (sacks not included) is 5.43 as opposed to 3.87 in condensed. UM's yards per passing attempt is also better – 5.56 compared to 4.00 – as well as yards per carry – 5.25 compared to 3.34.

-Against Middle Tennessee State, the quarterback was decent in non-condensed sets, completing 10 of 16 passes for 98 yards. In condensed sets, however, he was awful, completing only five of 14 passes for a mere 29 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions.

These statistics shed a light on the necessary direction that Gattis and the rest of Miami's coaches must take with the offense moving forward if they plan on playing Van Dyke. He is an up-tempo, spread-style quarterback that has been thrust into a more power-based, pro-style scheme that does not benefit him and the rest of Miami's offensive personnel.

Note: But if UM does not make these schematic changes towards a more spread-based offense, then Jake Garcia looks to be a better fit at quarterback. The redshirt freshman was 5-for-8 for 84 yards in the second half of the Hurricanes' game against MTSU in condensed formations. He also played in a similar offense in high school to the one that Gattis runs at Miami.
 
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Hoyacane1620 said:
just came to post this. Exactly what you'd expect.

-In the Hurricanes' two losses, with Van Dyke under center, the offense has run 83 plays in a non-condensed formation, and 77 plays in a condensed one. The contrasting results between the two are staggering.

Miami's yards per play in non-condensed formations (sacks not included) is 5.43 as opposed to 3.87 in condensed. UM's yards per passing attempt is also better – 5.56 compared to 4.00 – as well as yards per carry – 5.25 compared to 3.34.

-Against Middle Tennessee State, the quarterback was decent in non-condensed sets, completing 10 of 16 passes for 98 yards. In condensed sets, however, he was awful, completing only five of 14 passes for a mere 29 yards, one touchdown and two interceptions.

These statistics shed a light on the necessary direction that Gattis and the rest of Miami's coaches must take with the offense moving forward if they plan on playing Van Dyke. He is an up-tempo, spread-style quarterback that has been thrust into a more power-based, pro-style scheme that does not benefit him and the rest of Miami's offensive personnel.

Note: But if UM does not make these schematic changes towards a more spread-based offense, then Jake Garcia looks to be a better fit at quarterback. The redshirt freshman was 5-for-8 for 84 yards in the second half of the Hurricanes' game against MTSU in condensed formations. He also played in a similar offense in high school to the one that Gattis runs at Miami.
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My only issue is, these numbers are terrible regardless of condensed v. non-condensed packages. Its like trying decipher what you ate based on the dark brown or light brown parts of your **** as you stare down into the toilet bowl. 5.43 (our high) has us at 95th nationally. 3.34 would be dead last in the nation and it wouldn't be close. Either way, its bad...so I'm not sure how much you can pull from that from a schematic point of view unless you think the whole thing sucks...but the results have not been this bad in previous incarnations of the offense.
 
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Everyone on here agrees we need to spread it out but there’s a good chance those stats are skewed.

My question would be, of those snaps in condensed sets, how many are in 3rd and 3 or less situations? How many in the red zone? Etc…

Not all plays/formations are designed for high yardage but instead for high probability of short yardage conversion. For ex, a QB sneak (usually condensed sets) has a higher probability of picking up a 1st on 4th an inches than a go route down the sidelines (usually spread), but a go route down the sidelines would have a higher YPP (unless 2022 TVD is throwing it).

Some plays are limited in yardage due to where the play started on the field (touchdown plays).

This analysis should be limited to 1st and 2nd down plays outside of the red zone.

Where’s @Lance Roffers when you need a fellow stat nerd.
 
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