Blue Chip Ratio - Death

[RVACane]

Again - we know we need more talent in order to compete with BAMA. But, this notion that we need more talent in order to place within the top 15, or consistently win the ******* COASTAL, is ridiculous. The data is glaringly obvious. We’re getting dominated by Wisconsin!

Every final poll says so. We have the talent to finish better. It isn’t hard to figure out. Our issue is our coaching. Coach better, win more games, attract more talent.

Yup. And I don’t get how people can look at our talent level in the Coarstal for 15 years as compared to the rest of the Division, see just one Coarstal title and not get that it starts with coarching because the other teams are doing more with less. Smh

 

[Mandingo]

Um, OK? I 100% agree with that.

(Although the Wisconsin statement is weird because their presence on that list indicates they dominate a lot of teams that are more talented than they are.)

But you posted a table of 10 teams, which didn't include Miami. How does that table relate to the argument that UM is underperforming its talent level? That table is not supporting evidence for your main point. An example of good supporting evidence would be a ranking of all teams by 4/5 stars, which would've listed Miami ahead of teams it regularly loses to.

Anyways, no need to respond since I agree with you. I think you just did a poor job of using data to make your point. (But if you want to respond and dispute that, feel free, of course. I just doubt you care to discuss that.)

We don’t have to be on that chart. Unless you’re oblivious to the outcomes, you can clearly see CLEMSON and Wisky are doing more with less in comparison.... Simple BCR analysis of the team we love further reiterates the point - while the BCR plays a role in determining a Nat Champ, it’s not the end all. Coaching trumps all. Clemson proves that.

We are being dominated by teams like Wisconsin, who have far less talent and at the same time we’re not dominating teams in the coastal division on a consistent basis.

 

[Go Canes!!]

LOL, anybody that uses Clemson as an outlier needs their head examined, MF'ers had 3 DLmen go in the first 17 picks.

The outlier with them is their All American juniors keep coming back for their senior seasons which is unheard of these days.

Star DL Christian Wilkins forgoes NFL draft, keeps Clemson line intact for 2018 http://es.pn/2mChvIf

 

[Dwinstitles]

Dude - their recruiting rankings over the last 10 years and their BCR speak themselves. Swinney did more with his talent than C.U.M, Saban, Richt/Smart, Stoops..ect. They DOMINATED teams with far more “talent...” they finally forced their way into the college championship playoff by beating Jimbo Fisher‘s FSU team that had more blue chip players - then dominated Saban last year.

Up until recently, Dabo Swinney never out recruited either one of those coaches.

Clemson always recruited well agree to disagree

 

[Dwinstitles]

LOL, anybody that uses Clemson as an outlier needs their head examined, MF'ers had 3 DLmen go in the first 17 picks.

Facts

Even Jimbo said if u dont put as much money into recruiting as Clemson im out. He saw Clemsons rise through the recruiting trail. People that think they just started recruiting well doesnt watch cfb or follow recruiting at all. I have no time for arguing with those people....i just throw my hands up smh and walk away.

 

[The Franchise]

Maybe I'm the only person whos jaw dropped when I saw that Bama out of 82 scholarship players...69 of them are either a 4 or 5*. Good god. Smh.

Sabag has built an absolute killing thrashing machine. The bag schools are so far out ahead of us that maybe it’s time we start to realize we are who we are. If you’ve been something for 20 years that’s pretty much what you are. We’ve been pretty steadily an 8 win team for 20 years now. That’s what we are.

College football has changed so much during these last 20 years, and the bag schools are now at a whole different level.

There’s a second tier beneath the bag schools, and that’s probably what we should be striving for. Get to Wisconsin’s level and stay there a few years, and see if we can parlay some sustained 10 or 11 win success into better recruiting.

But we’re not even at that second tier level. We’re currently in BC/UVA/Kentucky/South Carolina level.

The question is can Shanny be the first HC to get us to that second tier in 20 years? Based on early returns, that’s questionable at best.

 

[Bipolarcane]

Wasn’t Ron Zook a great recruiter and his teams always sucked. You can swap Alabama and Miami’s rosters right now and kept the coaching staffs the same. They would still wipe our *** all over the field. I think they are both very important, but our blue chips don’t perform at the same level as Bama’s and Clemson’a and that is a direct reflection of our terrible head coaching that we have been blessed with.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

We don’t have to be on that chart. Unless you’re oblivious to the outcomes, you can clearly see CLEMSON and Wisky are doing more with less in comparison.... Simple BCR analysis of the team we love further reiterates the point - while the BCR plays a role in determining a Nat Champ, it’s not the end all. Coaching trumps all. Clemson proves that.

We are being dominated by teams like Wisconsin, who have far less talent and at the same time we’re not dominating teams in the coastal division on a consistent basis.

I get the sense that you don't understand what the term "trumps all" means.

Clemson is one of the top recruiting teams in the country. They are in the 93rd percentile over the past 4 years. Their on-field results are in the 99th percentile.

Their coaching separates them from 8-10 other teams. Their recruiting separates them from 120 other teams.

 

[drewm3i]

Yeah brow 85 2 stars > 75 dudes with half 4stars is the way to go.

- no one ever

No, 70 3&4 stars +15 additional 2&3 stars is preferable to only having 70-72 players.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Incorrect. Wallace Wade (yes, the same guy Duke's stadium is named after) won 3 titles. Frank Thomas won 2. Gene Stallings won 1.

Alabama "claims" 17 titles. Five were before Bear Bryant. Two of those are not recognized by the NCAA. Since 1941, Alabama has won 12 titles. Only one (Gene Stallings 1992) was won by a coach not named Bear Bryant or Nick Sabans.

Don't take him so literal. I believe his point was two legendary coaches account for most of their championships despite a history of having a talent advantage.

 

[DTP]

Alabama "claims" 17 titles. Five were before Bear Bryant. Two of those are not recognized by the NCAA. Since 1941, Alabama has won 12 titles. Only one (Gene Stallings 1992) was won by a coach not named Bear Bryant or Nick Sabans.

Don't take him so literal. I believe his point was two legendary coaches account for most of their championships despite a history of having a talent advantage.

Well, when one guy coaches for 30 years, it's not like you're going to have a ton of different coaches in your history.

 

[NorthEastCane]

As much as Wisconsin punches above it's weight as far as recruiting rankings, still ZERO college football playoff appearances.

It's not like they don't have holes on their roster. It just like any other team that has an uneven distribution of talent. Look at some here who can't understand how we under perform with all those skill position guys, yet overlook the line until it's an epic disaster.

The last receiver I can remember from Wisconsin is Al Toon!

 

[NorthEastCane]

Well, when one guy coaches for 30 years, it's not like you're going to have a ton of different coaches in your history.

There was also a 30 year gap between Bryant and Saban. They had 8 different coaches in that gap. And they had 18 coaches in the 60 years before Bryant.

edit - It should be 7 coaches between Bryant and Saban. Mike Price was fired before he coached a game.

 

[blushrts]

Alabama "claims" 17 titles. Five were before Bear Bryant. Two of those are not recognized by the NCAA. Since 1941, Alabama has won 12 titles. Only one (Gene Stallings 1992) was won by a coach not named Bear Bryant or Nick Sabans.

Don't take him so literal. I believe his point was two legendary coaches account for most of their championships despite a history of having a talent advantage.

Are we counting that legendary 3 loss team 1941 retroactive from the 1980's national championship in there?

 

[NorthEastCane]

Are we counting that legendary 3 loss team 1941 retroactive from the 1980's national championship in there?

The 1941 is one of the ones the NCAA doesn't recognize (although Alabama still "claims" it). It includes 1973 which UPI awarded before the bowl games. Then Notre Dame beat them in the Sugar bowl and got the AP title.

 

[who]

We struggled against CMU who has zero blue chippers. We're at 50% blue chip ratio. It's all coaching.

 

[LuCane]

Holy ****. Just slapped myself for poking my head in here after taking some days off of anything Canes.

We really have some stubborn people on here, huh? You know it's possible to be beneath the top teams in terms of talent on roster while simultaneously in position to not be incredibly worried about a UNC, VT, UVA, GT, PITT stretch, right?

The fact we've got a legitimate shot at failing in our own division speaks to a much more immediate concern than later flipping wins and evidence of player/team growth into evaluations and more talent.

 

[We the Boss]

Holy ****. Just slapped myself for poking my head in here after taking some days off of anything Canes.

We really have some stubborn people on here, huh? You know it's possible to be beneath the top teams in terms of talent on roster while simultaneously in position to not be incredibly worried about a UNC, VT, UVA, GT, PITT stretch, right?

The fact we've got a legitimate shot at failing in our own division speaks to a much more immediate concern than later flipping wins and evidence of player/team growth into evaluations and more talent.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Blue Chip Ratio fa sho matters, but so do coaching.

As a comparison, from 02-05 Miami recruited a total of 83 players. 52 of them were blue chips (approx 63% of the class). From 2002 - 2007, our wins total dropped every year despite being the most talented (on paper).
02: 12-1
03: 11-2
04: 9-3
05: 9-3
06: 7-6

Since Shannon, we’ve recruited well enough to finish at least a perennial top 20 team in the AP. We went from elite recruiting to good recruiting & no doubt that had everything to do w the ***** being in our armor dampening our NFLU monicker. What’s really damaged that monicker is the coaching & development here. Once upon a time we trotted blue chip after blue chip under Coker’s watch, and it did chit for us. We’ve always out-recruited the Coastal division, and we have 1 title to show for it. We’ve out recruited WSU, WVA, Wisc (3x), USCe, & Cal to only have 1 bowl victory since 2004.

We’ve done less with more for a while, and I’m not convinced if we had another 65% blue chip ratio that we would be top 10 now. We gotta get our recruiting game up but we GOTS to get our coaching & development game up.

Of course, look at Willie. Same schit. Manny could have the 01 canes and find a way to lose a bunch of games. I'm just saying you also need that BCR. You could have Nick Saban come with a team of 3 stars and he isn't even winning the SECW.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Dude - their recruiting rankings over the last 10 years and their BCR speak themselves. Swinney did more with his talent than C.U.M, Saban, Richt/Smart, Stoops..ect. They DOMINATED teams with far more “talent...” they finally forced their way into the college championship playoff by beating Jimbo Fisher‘s FSU team that had more blue chip players - then dominated Saban last year.

Up until recently, Dabo Swinney never out recruited either one of those coaches.

The article is very deceiving because Clemson signed a very poor class last season.

Last year, when they dominated the NC their BC ratio was over 65%.