Big 10, Pac 12 & ACC in Discussions

[Empirical Cane]

How many Mongoloids do you think actually cheer for the SEC? I bet they are a small minority compared to the Caucasoids and the Negroids… Also, please use the currently appropriate 21st Century term “Asians and Pacific Islanders.” Thanks.

 

[Macca21]

If the BIG, ACC and PAC can form some alliance where the biggest teams USC, Ohio, Miami, FSU, Clemson, MI , Oregon etc play every season and that becomes a separate tv contract from the conference contract that would absolutely go some way to make up the money deficit the SEC is trying to drive and then even better they can band together and out vote the SEC on all changes to college football structure.
I guess they would have to add ND to that as well. It would have to be well formulated and fair to every conference and every school. Put all these games in big metro Cities. Miami playing USC in Miami or LA to open the season. But spread these game out over the course of the season all the way to the end. Bringing theory to practice is the challenge

Block ND while you’re at it.

 

[NorthernVirginiaCane]

If you don’t think there discussing all this with the intent to get new tv deals,leverage, ect. Then I don’t know what to tell you. This is all driven by money and power. New ACC Commissioner is a pit bull and he knows exactly the end goal

What is they voted to expand the playoffs but limit it to not more than 2-3 teams from any one conference? That would spread the money and parity around.

 

[3GC]

It's sad.

While I think this is a potentially smart move, it's sad for the game.

****, remember when people had pride, tradition, and games were more than money, but bragging rights? Perhaps I'm being naive here, but it all used to be entertaining and fun. Now, the almighty dollar has positioned itself as the primary focus for not only the schools but the players as well.

Target, you and

 

[Echtcane]

I imagine that the SEC would ideally want to cherry-pick USC, Oregon, Ohio State, Washington, Notre Dame, Clemson, Michigan, Penn State, and a handful of others (including Miami) to establish a true, national super conference.

Which would make them like the 32-team NFL. The trouble with that is that each game will have a winner and a loser. Half the NFL has losing records. What is the incentive for these programs who depend on large fan bases that expect perpetual winning and dominance to jump into a situation where they suddenly have a good chance of becoming the next Kansas State, Arkansas, Purdue or Syracuse? At least in the NFL you have a draft which gives you a chance if you're not currently sitting with the most advantages, but the college recruiting system is built to lock in advantages and deny opportunity.

 

[filmcane]

Which would make them like the 32-team NFL. The trouble with that is that each game will have a winner and a loser. Half the NFL has losing records. What is the incentive for these programs who depend on large fan bases that expect perpetual winning and dominance to jump into a situation where they suddenly have a good chance of becoming the next Kansas State, Arkansas, Purdue or Syracuse? At least in the NFL you have a draft which gives you a chance if you're not currently sitting with the most advantages, but the college recruiting system is built to lock in advantages and deny opportunity.

That's a really strong point.

 

[Empirical Cane]

CIS... let's think through this "alliance" talk.

While a good first step, it's going to be about as effective (and binding) as a "Memorandum of Understanding"... and that means it ain't.

A few holes (that are fixable, but not under "Alliance" construct):
- PAC-12, Big 10, ACC already have an alliance, it's called "NCAA"
- EVERYTHING is meaningless until resources and revenue streams are legally committed across whatever the **** they end up with
-- Each conference's Grant of Rights is a show stopper... period... so those have to get ripped up before anything can happen
-- Triumvirates (keep'n it real for da Romans) have been tried before, they all failed gloriously in blood and fire.... who wins the Game of Thrones between Kliavkoff, Warren, and Phillips (my guess is whomever can pull Asian market $$Bs).... There Can Be Only One!!! (if you say it like the Kurgan it's way cooler)!!!
- GoRs show stopper issue aside, you think CIS threads get derailed over minutiae... what until you try to get 3 conference commissioners, 40 BoTs, 40 ADs, 40 HCs, 40 passionate powerful alumni bases, and possibly super-douches Golden Shower Domes to agree on ANYTHING of magnitude in ANY appreciable amount of time


GoR is root problem, everything will fall into place with that solved.


Until then, the "Alliance" really won't mean, or do, anything meaningful. Sankey woke up amd read that and laughed our loud.


Also, don't count out Jim Delany weaseling his way in (probably via B1G channels) and fücking it all up with outrageous concession demands from Pac12/ACC.


With all aboce though, they pull it off AND get Asian market $$Bs TV contracts..... WATCH THE FÜCK OUT SEC.

 

[canesbaby]

Block ND while you’re at it.

As much as we all hate ND, we need them to be on our side against the SEC. Those smug pricks still do have an audience and bring in the dollars.

 

[Empirical Cane]

As much as we all hate ND, we need them to be on our side against the SEC. Those smug pricks still do have an audience and bring in the dollars.

Smug yes.

Do they really drive an audience or $$$$???


I'm not so sure reality matches the myth.

 

[Macca21]

As much as we all hate ND, we need them to be on our side against the SEC. Those smug pricks still do have an audience and bring in the dollars.

I agree but you know what I mean. Your description, ‘smug pricks’, is absolutely perfect.

 

[CaneinBroward]

Since the Big XII was not invited to the discussions, perhaps they are discussing the creation of a 48 team "league" which would negotiate 1 massive TV contract for all 48 members. This would involve the merging of the remaining 8 Big XII teams to the following conferences:

Big10
Iowa State
Kansas (both schools meet the AAU standard the Big10 values)

ACC
TCU - Private school like many ACC members and brings in the Texas market
West Virginia - Solid sports teams and rival with many ACC (former Big East) schools

PAC 12
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Texas Tech (Each team has had solid to very good football teams in recent history)

This would allow for a huge TV contract as the entire country would be covered by teams from the Northeast to the Southeast and west to the Pacific Ocean.

I could see this as a possibility if the ACC has already gone to ND and were rejected for full membership. ND could go ahead and stay independent in football, but take the risk as they would have to schedule mostly Group of 5 teams as the number of free games by the SEC and 48 team league would be limited.

 

[Empirical Cane]

Since the Big XII was not invited to the discussions, perhaps they are discussing the creation of a 48 team "league" which would negotiate 1 massive TV contract for all 48 members. This would involve the merging of the remaining 8 Big XII teams to the following conferences:

Big10
Iowa State
Kansas (both schools meet the AAU standard the Big10 values)

ACC
TCU - Private school like many ACC members and brings in the Texas market
West Virginia - Solid sports teams and rival with many ACC (former Big East) schools

PAC 12
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Texas Tech (Each team has had solid to very good football teams in recent history)

This would allow for a huge TV contract as the entire country would be covered by teams from the Northeast to the Southeast and west to the Pacific Ocean.

I could see this as a possibility if the ACC has already gone to ND and were rejected for full membership. ND could go ahead and stay independent in football, but take the risk as they would have to schedule mostly Group of 5 teams as the number of free games by the SEC and 48 team league would be limited.

Question: Why would this "superleague" be paid more per member as a whole, than what their proto-component (i.e. PAC12, B1G, and ACC) members are being paid now?

If anything, the payout could be less due to the dilution of a greater number of weaker names/teams than what the SEC is facing right now.

Hence is why SEC is cherry picking who to allow to sit at rhe head table rather than come one come all.

 

[Empirical Cane]

It's sad.

While I think this is a potentially smart move, it's sad for the game.

****, remember when people had pride, tradition, and games were more than money, but bragging rights? Perhaps I'm being naive here, but it all used to be entertaining and fun. Now, the almighty dollar has positioned itself as the primary focus for not only the schools but the players as well.

Target, you and your wallet.

1880 called and would like you to return your breeches back dear sir!

Point taken though.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I love it. A firm alliance would be a firebreak against the SEC forming an exclusive 32 team league that shuts out the rest of college football.

Oh Giant Green Radioactive Beam Spewing Kaiju...

Walk me through how this threatens the SEC's plans for world domination?

 

[CaneinBroward]

Question: Why would this "superleague" be paid more per member as a whole, than what their proto-component (i.e. PAC12, B1G, and ACC) members are being paid now?

If anything, the payout could be less due to the dilution of a greater number of weaker names/teams than what the SEC is facing right now.

Hence is why SEC is cherry picking who to allow to sit at rhe head table rather than come one come all.

I'm just spitballing of course, but currently each league is a regional entity (ACC - East Coast, Big 10 - Midwest, and PAC 12 - West Coast). If they were to join forces and negotiate as one entity, their TV partner would have the whole country to sell to for advertising.

Plus, each conference currently plays 3-4 OOC games each year, where there is typically 1 quality opponent played while the remaining games are Group of 5 or Division II teams. These garbage games are part of the "inventory" of TV games under each conference's TV contract. If the super league were to require each conference to play 9 conference games with 1 or 2 OOC games against the 2 other conferences, this would improve the "inventory" of games to be aired.

I could be wrong, maybe there would be no appetite for such a league by the TV partners. It would just be interesting in the fact it would really put the SEC on its own island and ND would be shunned in many ways as well.

 

[GojiraCane]

Oh Giant Green Radioactive Beam Spewing Kaiju...

Walk me through how this threatens the SEC's plans for world domination?

Because the SEC kaiju scheme works best with established powers from the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 aboard. If not, they can cherry pick from lesser conferences, but to lesser effect.

 

[Empirical Cane]

I'm just spitballing of course, but currently each league is a regional entity (ACC - East Coast, Big 10 - Midwest, and PAC 12 - West Coast). If they were to join forces and negotiate as one entity, their TV partner would have the whole country to sell to for advertising.

Plus, each conference currently plays 3-4 OOC games each year, where there is typically 1 quality opponent played while the remaining games are Group of 5 or Division II teams. These garbage games are part of the "inventory" of TV games under each conference's TV contract. If the super league were to require each conference to play 9 conference games with 1 or 2 OOC games against the 2 other conferences, this would improve the "inventory" of games to be aired.

I could be wrong, maybe there would be no appetite for such a league by the TV partners. It would just be interesting in the fact it would really put the SEC on its own island and ND would be shunned in many ways as well.

Really digging the discussion (please use small words amd sleak slowly since I'm a lowly housekeeper)...

a few to add:
- don't you think the media companies already have national access via each separate conference?
- good point on strengthening OOC... but...
-- all the big name teams want/need gimmie games for a variety of reasons
--ALL small teams NEED the D1P5 contests just to fumd their annual budgets

 

[CaneinBroward]

Really digging the discussion (please use small words amd sleak slowly since I'm a lowly housekeeper)...

a few to add:
- don't you think the media companies already have national access via each separate conference?
- good point on strengthening OOC... but...
-- all the big name teams want/need gimmie games for a variety of reasons
--ALL small teams NEED the D1P5 contests just to fumd their annual budgets

don't you think the media companies already have national access via each separate conference? - With diehard college football fans like you (I am assuming) and myself, yes they have national access. However, for the casual college football fan who only follows his/her school, not really. I would say ABC/ESPN pretty much do that now since they have such a wide inventory of conferences to choose from (ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big XII, and PAC 12). Although, big games in the SEC are held on CBS and big games in the Big 10, PAC 12, and Big XII are held on Fox.

-- all the big name teams want/need gimmie games for a variety of reasons - If they do go to a 12 team playoff, losses will mean less. This is all about getting as much money as possible.
--ALL small teams NEED the D1P5 contests just to fumd their annual budgets - Since this is all about money and schools are willing to backstab conference rivals they have had relationships with for decades to get more money, do you think these big schools care what happens to the smaller schools in the Group of 5 or DII?

 

[da truth]

Smart, if true.

Smart if big 10, pac 12 and acc refuse to schedule games against sec as part as the alliance

 

[CaneThang2020]

Nice, glad to see the ACC being proactive. I and others suggested that the ACC reach out to the Big 10 immediately and it looks like they were on that **** ASAP.

If those numbers are true, 41 members of the Alliance plus 16 members of the expanded SEC, wouldnt it just be better for all parties involved to get together, choose 7 more schools from the leftover Big 12, AAC, MAC etc, and then form a 64 school super league? 8 divisions with 8 schools each. Division winner qualifies for an expanded 8 team playoffs.

Iowa St
Notre Dame
Cincinnati
Boise State
UCF
West Virginia
TCU
OKST