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CaneinBroward said:
Conference realignment is about $$$. Unless the 3 conferences are forming an alliance to share TV money (i.e. a monster TV contract that all 3 conferences are included), what is the real benefit at the end of the day? If the ACC schools are receiving $20-30 million less a year in TV revenue than the SEC and Big 10, who cares about scheduling adjustments and additional voting power on playoff decisions? Correct me if I am wrong, but the ACC TV contract can only be changed due to membership adjustments. Scheduling individual OOC games against the Big 10 and PAC 12 alone will not increase the payouts.

I will say the 3 conferences bringing their votes together could hamstring the expansion of the playoff to 12 teams, which would really p**s off the SEC as they added Texas and Oklahoma to get more access to the proposed 12 team playoff.
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If you don’t think there discussing all this with the intent to get new tv deals,leverage, ect. Then I don’t know what to tell you. This is all driven by money and power. New ACC Commissioner is a pit bull and he knows exactly the end goal
 
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CaneinBroward said:
Conference realignment is about $$$. Unless the 3 conferences are forming an alliance to share TV money (i.e. a monster TV contract that all 3 conferences are included), what is the real benefit at the end of the day? If the ACC schools are receiving $20-30 million less a year in TV revenue than the SEC and Big 10, who cares about scheduling adjustments and additional voting power on playoff decisions? Correct me if I am wrong, but the ACC TV contract can only be changed due to membership adjustments. Scheduling individual OOC games against the Big 10 and PAC 12 alone will not increase the payouts.

I will say the 3 conferences bringing their votes together could hamstring the expansion of the playoff to 12 teams, which would really p**s off the SEC as they added Texas and Oklahoma to get more access to the proposed 12 team playoff.
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I think it allows for the other 49 teams to go into a holding pattern before they make a rash decision that causes a bigger mess. You basically force the SEC to play ball your way until you find out the best path forward.

I don’t think this a long term solution. Seems more like a solution to keep nerves calm until the long term plans need to be set in motion.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Highlights:

Talks have centered around not just a scheduling alliance in football but in broader cooperation, according to sources in the three conferences. Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and ACC commissioner Jim Phillips have been having conversations for several weeks.

While the specifics on how a scheduling pact might work remain unclear, sources in the three conferences suggest the larger goal is alignment so that the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC can work and vote together on major issues such as College Football Playoff expansion and upcoming NCAA governance changes.

“This is their shot right back at the SEC,” one athletic director said.

While these plans are still in the works, it does appear the Big 12 will not be included in the alliance.

New ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, who was announced as one of 23 members of the constitution committee, has told ADs that strength comes in numbers, not in one conference stacking the deck. This is where the real difference could come for these three conferences. It is there, in voting power, where an alliance among the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 would really show those three conferences’ power — 41 votes to the 16 votes of the expanded SEC.​


A formal alliance between these three conferences could be announced with specific scheduling details to be ironed out later. But it would still be valuable to get this out there at some point soon because the three leagues could then work together to vote as a bloc on CFP expansion (timeline and format), upcoming NCAA governance decisions and other pressing issues.

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Miami playing Michigan, Penn State, USC and Ohio State on a regular basis would be epic! Not to mention we would finally be able to get big time offensive lineman
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Highlights:

Talks have centered around not just a scheduling alliance in football but in broader cooperation, according to sources in the three conferences. Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and ACC commissioner Jim Phillips have been having conversations for several weeks.

While the specifics on how a scheduling pact might work remain unclear, sources in the three conferences suggest the larger goal is alignment so that the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC can work and vote together on major issues such as College Football Playoff expansion and upcoming NCAA governance changes.

“This is their shot right back at the SEC,” one athletic director said.

While these plans are still in the works, it does appear the Big 12 will not be included in the alliance.

New ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, who was announced as one of 23 members of the constitution committee, has told ADs that strength comes in numbers, not in one conference stacking the deck. This is where the real difference could come for these three conferences. It is there, in voting power, where an alliance among the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 would really show those three conferences’ power — 41 votes to the 16 votes of the expanded SEC.​


A formal alliance between these three conferences could be announced with specific scheduling details to be ironed out later. But it would still be valuable to get this out there at some point soon because the three leagues could then work together to vote as a bloc on CFP expansion (timeline and format), upcoming NCAA governance decisions and other pressing issues.

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Nice, glad to see the ACC being proactive. I and others suggested that the ACC reach out to the Big 10 immediately and it looks like they were on that **** ASAP.

If those numbers are true, 41 members of the Alliance plus 16 members of the expanded SEC, wouldnt it just be better for all parties involved to get together, choose 7 more schools from the leftover Big 12, AAC, MAC etc, and then form a 64 school super league? 8 divisions with 8 schools each. Division winner qualifies for an expanded 8 team playoffs.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Highlights:

Talks have centered around not just a scheduling alliance in football but in broader cooperation, according to sources in the three conferences. Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff, Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and ACC commissioner Jim Phillips have been having conversations for several weeks.

While the specifics on how a scheduling pact might work remain unclear, sources in the three conferences suggest the larger goal is alignment so that the Pac-12, Big Ten and ACC can work and vote together on major issues such as College Football Playoff expansion and upcoming NCAA governance changes.

“This is their shot right back at the SEC,” one athletic director said.

While these plans are still in the works, it does appear the Big 12 will not be included in the alliance.

New ACC commissioner Jim Phillips, who was announced as one of 23 members of the constitution committee, has told ADs that strength comes in numbers, not in one conference stacking the deck. This is where the real difference could come for these three conferences. It is there, in voting power, where an alliance among the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 would really show those three conferences’ power — 41 votes to the 16 votes of the expanded SEC.​


A formal alliance between these three conferences could be announced with specific scheduling details to be ironed out later. But it would still be valuable to get this out there at some point soon because the three leagues could then work together to vote as a bloc on CFP expansion (timeline and format), upcoming NCAA governance decisions and other pressing issues.

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I'm digging their chile on this... HOWEVER...

a possible fatal flaw....

SEC says we don't need the NCAA umbrella at all... vote however you want...

Could a stand alone SEC survive in a Universe where the NCAA framework still existed?

Is Sankey that bold? that stupid??
 
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BCntyCane said:
If you don’t think there discussing all this with the intent to get new tv deals,leverage, ect. Then I don’t know what to tell you. This is all driven by money and power. New ACC Commissioner is a pit bull and he knows exactly the end goal
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I hope you are right. I just didn't see anything in the detail provided mentioning anything about TV, just political power in the playoff voting and scheduling possibilities.
 
CaneinBroward said:
I hope you are right. I just didn't see anything in the detail provided mentioning anything about TV, just political power in the playoff voting and scheduling possibilities.
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Marketing,...Recruiting. Ultimately, teams like FSU and UM will need to play better and increase the brand if the money is going to go up.

But a recruit in this day and age really doesn't care if a program's payout is $30 Million or $40 Million. They have other issues they are making decisions on.
 
Hurracanes said:
The TV deal for this alignment would crush whatever the SEC has, I would think. It’s a numbers game now, and the SEC would be ****ed. Unless, the SEC brings in more schools.
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Agreed. SEC would possibly respond by adding more schools, but what schools are out there if you take away the B1G, ACC and PAC-12 besides BIG12 leftovers? Nothing that adds enough value to compete with the scheduling and voting power of the three remaining P5 conferences, IMO. Frankly outside of adding Okie St. or WVU, anyone else dilutes both the product and the cut of the pie each school gets from ESPN.

A scheduling alliance with the B1G and PAC-12 may enable the ACC to bring ESPN back to the table to re-negotiate its horrible media rights deal.

OR...let ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC and streaming services bid against each other for exclusive rights to these new inter-conference games. While ESPN is broadcasting the Iron Bowl or Texas/OU on prime time, CBS/FOX/NBC could counter with Miami/USC, Clemson/Taint, Oregon/Michigan, FSU/State Penn etc. Exciting, bowl-season type match-ups with playoff implications every week. Imagine if you could somehow convince the Domers to jump on board too. They could stay independent and help drive up the price. That package would be worth stupid money (split 42 ways mind you, but it would supplement the conference's current TV deals).

Interesting to see where this goes, hopefully straight up the SEC's ***.
 
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I’m thinking this is a move towards conferences as a whole trying to move away from the NCAA. PAC-12, Big Ten, and ACC all play their regular conference schedules, top two or three teams move to a playoff format with the other conferences. SEC is excluded and loses some of their legitimacy as they can really only play conference games and award a glorified conference champion at that point. Just my thoughts
 
Baba Yaga said:
Agreed. SEC would possibly respond by adding more schools, but what schools are out there if you take away the B1G, ACC and PAC-12 besides BIG12 leftovers? Nothing that adds enough value to compete with the scheduling and voting power of the three remaining P5 conferences, IMO. Frankly outside of adding Okie St. or WVU, anyone else dilutes both the product and the cut of the pie each school gets from ESPN.

A scheduling alliance with the B1G and PAC-12 may enable the ACC to bring ESPN back to the table to re-negotiate its horrible media rights deal.

OR...let ESPN, FOX, CBS, NBC and streaming services bid against each other for exclusive rights to these new inter-conference games. While ESPN is broadcasting the Iron Bowl or Texas/OU on prime time, CBS/FOX/NBC could counter with Miami/USC, Clemson/Taint, Oregon/Michigan, FSU/State Penn etc. Exciting, bowl-season type match-ups with playoff implications every week. Imagine if you could somehow convince the Domers to jump on board too. They could stay independent and help drive up the price. That package would be worth stupid money (split 42 ways mind you, but it would supplement the conference's current TV deals).

Interesting to see where this goes, hopefully straight up the SEC's ***.
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This is not as good as a bunch of as$ and ****ays but god**** this is a good post.
 
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